Mover-Ups Doing Well

[ilovethecats]

Griz fans are such spoiled crybabys

:agree:

 

[AZGrizFan]

Move up? You have got to be kidding....UM is moving toward mediocre in FCS not toward FBS. Have you not watched a game? Last game above 25% of starters were former FBS players/recruits and the team lost to fricken Weber AT HOME

Yes, unfortunately, due to the developers of the game, football remains a TEAM game.

 

[BWahlberg]

Go poll GSU, ASU, Texas State, Troy, Old Dominion, Boise State, Nevada, and even freaking Idaho fans right now on how many of them wish they were back in FCS

What fans want and what makes sense financially are possibly two different things. Our program is currently barely in the black. A move-up adds so many more expenses. That will force the Griz to be regular body-bag games to get drilled by Pac-12 and B1G teams quite a bit. Would a possible TV contract and... some extra conference revenues off-set the added expenses of increased scholarships and added programs? It doesn't seem like it to me.

We could also ask UAB fans about how they feel about their move up? Or UMass fans. I'm sure Idaho fans love tht they've had... what... 1 or 2 winning seasons in the last 20 years? Sounds like a blast - sign me up. Texas State has 1 win so far this season against Prairie View A&M!

Hah, so instead of answer the question you change the argument

UAB was I-AA for 3 years, 1 year longer than they were D-III. They're as much of a "move-up" as South Alabama or UTSA. And after the program was shut down the fans rallied their support and were successful in getting it re-instated. Can't say the same for Hofstra or Northeastern

As for Texas State, this would be their first losing season since joining the Sun Belt. But if that's the benchmark you're going for, Cal Poly and Delaware are currently 2-4. Maybe they should go back to DII?

Well you got me there, I did shift the argument. I based it on the response to your statement though to ask the fans. I opened what I said with what the fans want vs what is financially viable are two different things.

Continued success is hard to come by for many move ups. It scares the hell out of me to see this program possibly fall to pieces without the foundation, facilities, and financial plan to make a move. personally I see way more risk than reward.

 

[EverettGriz]

Why whenever this topic comes up is football the only thing considered? How about all of the positive impacts an FBS move would have on the rest of the athletic department, particularly men's and women's BB.

Frankly, to me, that's almost reason enough to move up all by itself.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Move up? You have got to be kidding....UM is moving toward mediocre in FCS not toward FBS. Have you not watched a game? Last game above 25% of starters were former FBS players/recruits and the team lost to fricken Weber AT HOME

Quit coming on to egriz with your stark reality. Your kinda attitude is just too much to take...Remember, egriz is a bubble. UM is an elite program, the run defense is excellent etc. Shame on you...

 

[kemajic]

Not too excited about aiming for 6-6 or 7-5 and playing in some unknown bowl game.

Far better to aim for 8-4 and an opportunity to meet a program of the quality of San Diego in a "playoff" game. But by far the best part of FCS and the BSC is the opportunity to play in front of 4000 on the road. Doesn't get any better than that.

 

[George Ferguson]

Hammer and Brint, what's the use even arguing with the move-up crowd anymore? They will never care how much it costs, how many more women's sports would have to still be added, or how inferior our facilities and financial booster base are to the Boise's and Nevada's of the world. Ironically, I see some of the same people begging for a move up are the same people calling the Griz a medicore FCS program. An also-ran in the Big Sky, a terrible football team. But somehow, those people think the Griz could do better in the friggin' Mountain West Conference???? It's a hilarious contradiction.

 

[kemajic]

Hammer and Brint, what's the use even arguing with the move-up crowd anymore? They will never care how much it costs, how many more women's sports would have to still be added, or how inferior our facilities and financial booster base are to the Boise's and Nevada's of the world. Ironically, I see some of the same people begging for a move up are the same people calling the Griz a medicore FCS program. An also-ran in the Big Sky, a terrible football team. But somehow, those people think the Griz could do better in the friggin' Mountain West Conference???? It's a hilarious contradiction.

Hmmmm. After your post, I reread the entire thread to see if I missed something. I didn't. I couldn't find a single instance of a "move-up crowd" member arguing for UM to move up. What I do read, over and over, are defensive diatrbes by the status-quo crowd when it is even suggested that there are programs that have moved up successfully. Or even not so successfully, but with no interest in returning to FCS. It amazes me how easily that crowd gets its underwear in a bind as they extrapolate simple observations to misguided arguments that UM should move up. Even when it is obvious that there is no place for UM to move up to, even if they had the fortitude, which they don't. Very threatened. Added to that is the embellishment about the perfect world we are in today. That gets challenged and deserves it. Look in the mirror.

 

[polsongrizz]

Oh man, some day I wish we could be sun belt champions and maybe, just maybe we could play and beat the 7th place finisher of the Big 12 in the GlaxoSmithKline Bowl played ever December 19th at 11pm MST!

Beats playing 90% of the teams we play every f***[*] year.

Sure it does...

 

[Eriul]

Move up? You have got to be kidding....UM is moving toward mediocre in FCS not toward FBS. Have you not watched a game? Last game above 25% of starters were former FBS players/recruits and the team lost to fricken Weber AT HOME

Quit coming on to egriz with your stark reality. Your kinda attitude is just too much to take...Remember, egriz is a bubble. UM is an elite program, the run defense is excellent etc. Shame on you...

I wouldn't say we are an elite program but I would say our rush defense is excellent. Sure we are fairly below par if you wanna go by yards/game but we are top 20 in yards/rush and we are top 24 in passing defense allowed with a horrible yards/attempt in the passing game. What does that mean? It means teams run the ball against us a lot more than they pass it. I mean we also played Cal poly who by far has the best rush offense in the country.

And it's not going to change the rest of the season. We got Portland state, ranked 6th in rush offense in the country. North Dakota at 27th in the country in rush offense. And Montana State at 16th in the country in rushing(and 8th in passing).

We also have Idaho State at 15th in passing and EWU the 1st passing offense.

I think it's kinda cool the BSC has the best Passing offense and best Rushing offense each by a significant margin.

 

[Spanky]

Several years ago, we were an elite FCS program and there was talk of moving up for many reasons. Today, our football program is average at best within FCS and may finish the year out of the top 25. We have a new coach that may return Montana to a top program, however, iin the meantime, we certainly aren't moving up.

 

[fanofzoo]

Oh man, some day I wish we could be sun belt champions and maybe, just maybe we could play and beat the 7th place finisher of the Big 12 in the GlaxoSmithKline Bowl played ever December 19th at 11pm MST!

Don't you think they would reserve the Potato Bowl for us, being a regional thing.

 

[jcu27]

Oh man, some day I wish we could be sun belt champions and maybe, just maybe we could play and beat the 7th place finisher of the Big 12 in the GlaxoSmithKline Bowl played ever December 19th at 11pm MST!

You do realize we are in the Big Sky Confrence, no? Sun Belt> Big Shitty.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Hammer and Brint, what's the use even arguing with the move-up crowd anymore? They will never care how much it costs, how many more women's sports would have to still be added, or how inferior our facilities and financial booster base are to the Boise's and Nevada's of the world. Ironically, I see some of the same people begging for a move up are the same people calling the Griz a medicore FCS program. An also-ran in the Big Sky, a terrible football team. But somehow, those people think the Griz could do better in the friggin' Mountain West Conference???? It's a hilarious contradiction.

Hmmmm. After your post, I reread the entire thread to see if I missed something. I didn't. I couldn't find a single instance of a "move-up crowd" member arguing for UM to move up. What I do read, over and over, are defensive diatrbes by the status-quo crowd when it is even suggested that there are programs that have moved up successfully. Or even not so successfully, but with no interest in returning to FCS. It amazes me how easily that crowd gets its underwear in a bind as they extrapolate simple observations to misguided arguments that UM should move up. Even when it is obvious that there is no place for UM to move up to, even if they had the fortitude, which they don't. Very threatened. Added to that is the embellishment about the perfect world we are in today. That gets challenged and deserves it. Look in the mirror.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I also love the status quo crowd's insistence that we'd automatically go 3-8 or 4-7 every year. I guess we'd still have to play with 63 schollies instead of 85?

 

[BWahlberg]

Oh man, some day I wish we could be sun belt champions and maybe, just maybe we could play and beat the 7th place finisher of the Big 12 in the GlaxoSmithKline Bowl played ever December 19th at 11pm MST!

You do realize we are in the Big Sky Confrence, no? Sun Belt> Big Shitty.

If you compare the success of all Big Sky football programs to all Sum Belt programs at their level you're actually incorrect. The Big Sky regularly has multiple ranked teams, multiple national award winners, and two different national champions within the last 15 years. The Sun Belt can virtually claim none of that success at their level.

 

[Blue Tears]

I agree with the logic of staying put. Really, how many teams have enjoyed the same success upon a move up? I can think of one, and that is Boise State. Most of the others have experienced many more losses than they had in FCS, and are no longer able to compete for a National Title. We would be a small fish and a really big pond. I like watching a team that wins. I would support the Griz either way, but the games are played to WIN. Personally, I could give a care less how many of the opposing team's fans show up for a game. If 7,000 attend and we win, that is much better than 60,000 and getting stomped. Losing stinks, and we don't have the facilities and program foundation right now to be like Boise and Nevada. I wish we did, but that is just not the reality of our situation.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Hammer and Brint, what's the use even arguing with the move-up crowd anymore? They will never care how much it costs, how many more women's sports would have to still be added, or how inferior our facilities and financial booster base are to the Boise's and Nevada's of the world. Ironically, I see some of the same people begging for a move up are the same people calling the Griz a medicore FCS program. An also-ran in the Big Sky, a terrible football team. But somehow, those people think the Griz could do better in the friggin' Mountain West Conference???? It's a hilarious contradiction.

Hmmmm. After your post, I reread the entire thread to see if I missed something. I didn't. I couldn't find a single instance of a "move-up crowd" member arguing for UM to move up. What I do read, over and over, are defensive diatrbes by the status-quo crowd when it is even suggested that there are programs that have moved up successfully. Or even not so successfully, but with no interest in returning to FCS. It amazes me how easily that crowd gets its underwear in a bind as they extrapolate simple observations to misguided arguments that UM should move up. Even when it is obvious that there is no place for UM to move up to, even if they had the fortitude, which they don't. Very threatened. Added to that is the embellishment about the perfect world we are in today. That gets challenged and deserves it. Look in the mirror.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I also love the status quo crowd's insistence that we'd automatically go 3-8 or 4-7 every year. I guess we'd still have to play with 63 schollies instead of 85?

AZGriz and Kem should write a column on this. I recommend distribution to folks in the Hi-Line region. Possible theme: Whiny Griz Nation not content with FCS. Don't be like them.

It should be easy..just look for a single text message from a random fan, and quickly search the interwebs for a blog...you can find something. I can help if you need to outsource. I have google and texting.

 

[BWahlberg]

Hammer and Brint, what's the use even arguing with the move-up crowd anymore? They will never care how much it costs, how many more women's sports would have to still be added, or how inferior our facilities and financial booster base are to the Boise's and Nevada's of the world. Ironically, I see some of the same people begging for a move up are the same people calling the Griz a medicore FCS program. An also-ran in the Big Sky, a terrible football team. But somehow, those people think the Griz could do better in the friggin' Mountain West Conference???? It's a hilarious contradiction.

Add in its the same people that are worked up about LearField and in-game advertisements. At the FBS level Montana would have to probably go to a whole new level of sports marketing to try to pay the bills.

On your point of added women's sports if I remember correctly due to Title 9 the amount of women's sports would have to be equal to the rough campus population. About a 60/40 ratio.

I understand the argument of, "We will play better teams."

What I never hear though is how we will afford it.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Go poll GSU, ASU, Texas State, Troy, Old Dominion, Boise State, Nevada, and even freaking Idaho fans right now on how many of them wish they were back in FCS

What fans want and what makes sense financially are possibly two different things. Our program is currently barely in the black. A move-up adds so many more expenses. That will force the Griz to be regular body-bag games to get drilled by Pac-12 and B1G teams quite a bit. Would a possible TV contract and... some extra conference revenues off-set the added expenses of increased scholarships and added programs? It doesn't seem like it to me.

We could also ask UAB fans about how they feel about their move up? Or UMass fans. I'm sure Idaho fans love tht they've had... what... 1 or 2 winning seasons in the last 20 years? Sounds like a blast - sign me up. Texas State has 1 win so far this season against Prairie View A&M!

Hah, so instead of answer the question you change the argument

UAB was I-AA for 3 years, 1 year longer than they were D-III. They're as much of a "move-up" as South Alabama or UTSA. And after the program was shut down the fans rallied their support and were successful in getting it re-instated. Can't say the same for Hofstra or Northeastern

As for Texas State, this would be their first losing season since joining the Sun Belt. But if that's the benchmark you're going for, Cal Poly and Delaware are currently 2-4. Maybe they should go back to DII?

He answered your question..both times, and gave two different point of views....what more do you want from him. You should probably be thanking him for rationally responding to your questions instead of acting like an argumentative dbag.

 

[NativeGriz]

Oh man, some day I wish we could be sun belt champions and maybe, just maybe we could play and beat the 7th place finisher of the Big 12 in the GlaxoSmithKline Bowl played ever December 19th at 11pm MST!

Beats playing 90% of the teams we play every f***[*] year.

Sure it does...

Polsongriz, I cant exactly explain why, but when ever I see your posts, I get the impression you spend a lot of time sitting behind a computer spankin the monkey.
Back on track, I would much rather see us win at least 80% of our games vs. move-up, but if we are going to be in the middle, then if feasible, I would prefer occasional winning seasons and occasional bowl games. The last few years have been kind of frustrating due to our inept presidents actions. I am hoping we will be back to 80% plus with Stitt. I believe it will happen soon as in next year.