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[PlayerRep]

OFFS. Insert FACEPALM here.


Not that it's worth two shits, but:

1. I guess "old" is in the eye of the beholder. But I'm younger than you.

2. I don't even know what "historical" connections are. I don't know President Craig, if that's what you're referring to. I do, however, have some very good connections at UM, both in and out of the athletic department.

3. I'm a NEZ season ticket holder. Not that I understand WTF attendance at games has to do with recognizing that the FCS is a mere shadow of its former self.

4. The information I get is fine. And accurate. And for the most part, I'm guessing I have better connections on campus than you. But frankly, I don't really care, because I don't need "connections" to determine that the FCS is quickly becoming a glorified DII.


I so look forward to your comments.... :roll:

1. Okay on the age thing, but you post and act OLD.

2. Nope, you don't have good connections to the athletic dept. I can tell by your posts. You may talk to some people, but they clearly don't tell you much.

3. You may have season tickets, but you don't attend many games. Agreed that attending games has nothing to do with understanding FCS, but your post show that you don't understand FCS. How how often do you communicate with the Big Sky conference people? Do you even know them? Did you attend any of the men's or women's games at the conference hoops tourney's? If so, how many times did you talk to the conference officials? What did you talk about? [I attended all 12 games, went to San Jose and went to Spokane.]

4. Nope, as stated above, I can tell you don't have much for connections to the athletic department. I'll give you a test. How many UM basketball and football coaches did you talk to in person in the past 2 weeks? If you answer this question, then it will be clear that you have few connections to UM athletics.

 

[EverettGriz]

1. I... I... I don't even know what the f*ck that means....

2. F*ck you. I'm right far more often than you. And I post about 1% of what I know. Where the f*ck do you get off questioning who I know, and what they tell me? F*ck, you are so damn pompous that you don't even make sense 80% of the time. FWIW, I really don't a shit what you think of me, my posts, and particularly my sources. They've all got more integrity and class in their fingernails than you've ever had.

3. How the eff do you know how many games I attend??? And what f8cking difference does it make?? As for the rest of that shit, good on ya, I guess. :roll:

4. WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK!!!???? Unlike you, I have a life outside the athletic department of the University of Montana, and I don't sniff jocks and kiss coaches asses on a regular basis. I'll tell you this though: Every single one of them knows me by name, some have been to my home, I've been a guest in some of their homes. Not that ANYONE GIVES A SHIT!!!!!!! But I'll repeat what I said above: F*CK YOU for having the audacity to denigrate my friends. But that's just the kind of "man" you are, evidently.


And now, I'm done.

 

[PlayerRep]

1. I... I... I don't even know what the f*ck that means....

2. F*ck you. I'm right far more often than you. And I post about 1% of what I know. Where the f*ck do you get off questioning who I know, and what they tell me? F*ck, you are damn pompous that you don't even make sense 80% of the time. FWIW, I really don't a shit what you think of me, my posts, and particularly my sources. They've all got more integrity and class in their fingernails than you've ever had.

3. How the eff do you know how many games I attend??? And what f8cking difference does it make?? As for the rest of that shit, good on ya, I guess. :roll:

4. WHO GIVES A FLYING f***!!!???? Unlike you, I have a life outside the athletic department of the University of Montana, and I don't sniff jocks and kiss coaches asses on a regular basis. I'll tell you this though: Every single one of them knows me by name, some have been to my home, I've been a guest in some of their homes. Not that ANYONE GIVES A SHIT!!!!!!! But I'll repeat what I said above: F*CK YOU for having the audacity to denigrate my friends. But that's just the kind of "man" you are, evidently.


And now, I'm done.

1. Like I said, you are old.

2. Nope, you are wrong much of the time. Feel free to point out one thing I've been wrong on, and you've bee right. Glad to see that you're showing your true colors. You actually post about 80% more than you know.

3. I can tell from your posts that you don't go to many home football or basketball games. Feel free to tell us exactly how many homes games you attend.

4. Nope, I can't imagine that hardly any of the coaches know your name. PM me your name, and I'll ask them.

Again, I don't think you are a bad person, and can tell you have a few connections, altho not current or good ones. My view is that you know few of the athletic dept people and perhaps some on the academic side, but pretty slim and out of date now. I can see that I hit a few hot buttons with you, which set you off with your F-calls. Pretty funny. Maybe you aren't as old as I thought. Lost your cool too easily, and way to many F-calls.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Who cares who knows what or who? Take a little bit from everyone, and form your own opinions, and respect those of different opinions. How hard is that to do? For some, impossible.

 

[EverettGriz]

Final reply to PR:

I go to many games. I watch every game. Still not sure what the f-ck that has to do with this topic or the price of tea in China. It's about as relevant as me saying, "It's windy out today" But I guess when you're having a "discussion" with PR, who the f*ck knows.....


It's funny; I DO think you're a bad person.

 

[sdgriz_24]

playerrep.. u are a terrible poster. Go back to giving your kids participation trophies for sitting on the bench in LL baseball.. winning doesn't mean anything when youre playing in stadiums smaller than Daylis. Grow a pair. If you want to bring up financials then fine but damn pussy

 

[ordigger]

1. I... I... I don't even know what the f*ck that means....

2. F*ck you. I'm right far more often than you. And I post about 1% of what I know. Where the f*ck do you get off questioning who I know, and what they tell me? F*ck, you are so damn pompous that you don't even make sense 80% of the time. FWIW, I really don't a shit what you think of me, my posts, and particularly my sources. They've all got more integrity and class in their fingernails than you've ever had.

3. How the eff do you know how many games I attend??? And what f8cking difference does it make?? As for the rest of that shit, good on ya, I guess. :roll:

4. WHO GIVES A FLYING f***!!!???? Unlike you, I have a life outside the athletic department of the University of Montana, and I don't sniff jocks and kiss coaches asses on a regular basis. I'll tell you this though: Every single one of them knows me by name, some have been to my home, I've been a guest in some of their homes. Not that ANYONE GIVES A SHIT!!!!!!! But I'll repeat what I said above: F*CK YOU for having the audacity to denigrate my friends. But that's just the kind of "man" you are, evidently.


And now, I'm done.

:clap: :thumb: +1

I made a mistake on Junior, he acts more like 10 than 12. And I notice the stalker in him comes out again. The dude is crazy.

 

[grizfan47]

how is playing someone like North Texas in the New Mexico Bowl that much more exciting than a National Championship game

It may not be. But then, playing South Eastern New Mexico in an FCS title game won't be that exciting either.

Montana and other Sky schools have practically 0 chance at a national championship in college hoops, so why lose both shots at a National title by moving up?

If it's all about winning a national championship, why not move all programs down to DII? It has to be -- and IS -- more than that. I can't imagine ANY Weber fan supporting moving the basketball program down a level, and yet you have no shot ever to win a national championship. Why is not it not okay for basektball, but okay for football?

And how is winning the National FCS Championship not meaning anything?

It does. To us. But not to anyone else.

As far as I'm concerned, North Dakota State is the best, because they won the FCS title

I agree completely. The problem with the argument is that within a few years, NDSU will be an FBS team. THAT is the problem: the FCS was a fine level, and one where Montana belonged 10 years ago. But it's no where near the same as it was 10 years ago, and Montana is now one of the ONLY big fishes in the quickly draining pond. It's my opinion you should play with your peers. And like it or not, Montana doesn't have many of those at their current level (and fewer and fewer every single day).

I agree with Everett on this one. What is the point of being proud of winning a National Championship of a totally "watered down" FCS? Have some pride please!

Winning a championship, at any level, is an accomplishment, awesome and fun. Stop being an idiot. You obviously never played any sport. Stop with your dumb comments.

This was a perfectly logical and interesting discussion about the move. Many of my views were expressed. Then PR comes along and states one of the posters is an idiot and obviously never played the sport and is told to stop with dumb comments. What is your problem? Are you the only one entitled to an opionion? I never garnered from one thing he said that he did not think winning a championship was not fun or meaningful. Can you not state your opinion without insulting?

 

[CV Griz Fan]

It may not be. But then, playing South Eastern New Mexico in an FCS title game won't be that exciting either.




If it's all about winning a national championship, why not move all programs down to DII? It has to be -- and IS -- more than that. I can't imagine ANY Weber fan supporting moving the basketball program down a level, and yet you have no shot ever to win a national championship. Why is not it not okay for basektball, but okay for football?



It does. To us. But not to anyone else.



I agree completely. The problem with the argument is that within a few years, NDSU will be an FBS team. THAT is the problem: the FCS was a fine level, and one where Montana belonged 10 years ago. But it's no where near the same as it was 10 years ago, and Montana is now one of the ONLY big fishes in the quickly draining pond. It's my opinion you should play with your peers. And like it or not, Montana doesn't have many of those at their current level (and fewer and fewer every single day).

I agree with Everett on this one. What is the point of being proud of winning a National Championship of a totally "watered down" FCS? Have some pride please!

Winning a championship, at any level, is an accomplishment, awesome and fun. Stop being an idiot. You obviously never played any sport. Stop with your dumb comments.

This was a perfectly logical and interesting discussion about the move. Many of my views were expressed. Then PR comes along and states one of the posters is an idiot and obviously never played the sport and is told to stop with dumb comments. What is your problem? Are you the only one entitled to an opionion? I never garnered from one thing he said that he did not think winning a championship was not fun or meaningful. Can you not state your opinion without insulting?

This is one time that I regret not having Growler on this Message Board anymore. He always seemed to put PR in his place when he got out of line. "nobody cares that you played flag football for Dart-mouth in the 1970's" he'd say. Some of Growler's posts were funny.

 

[ordigger]

I agree with Everett on this one. What is the point of being proud of winning a National Championship of a totally "watered down" FCS? Have some pride please!

Winning a championship, at any level, is an accomplishment, awesome and fun. Stop being an idiot. You obviously never played any sport. Stop with your dumb comments.

This was a perfectly logical and interesting discussion about the move. Many of my views were expressed. Then PR comes along and states one of the posters is an idiot and obviously never played the sport and is told to stop with dumb comments. What is your problem? Are you the only one entitled to an opionion? I never garnered from one thing he said that he did not think winning a championship was not fun or meaningful. Can you not state your opinion without insulting?

This is one time that I regret not having Growler on this Message Board anymore. He always seemed to put PR in his place when he got out of line. "nobody cares that you played flag football for Dart-mouth in the 1970's" he'd say. Some of Growler's posts were funny.

I'd take 100 Growlers over 1 PR any day of the week. Growler could be irritating but at least you knew where he was coming from, even if you didn't like it. PR on the other is the slimy, backstabber type. Never would I trust him, at anything.

 

[stubbins]

And yet Idaho fans were completely against moving down to division II...er, FCS. And that is the worst possible example for moving up...and they STILL prefer fbs.

I'm part of the crowd that thinks moving up wouldn't be a bad thing. I just think that if we choose to go that route, we're not going to be going to the National Championship anytime soon... or ever.

Of course not. I would hope anyone advocating a move up is not under the illusion that a nc is possible at the next level.

Then why is the move up so desirable? If the best you can get is a Idaho Potato bowl? I can understand from a UM fan point of view that the usual beatdowns of the likes of the Weber's, UNC's and ISU's of the world would get boring, but playing teams in the Sun Belt? The only conference at this point that would even welcome you, would a game in WGS vs ULL really be bigger than a home game vs EWU?

If the Mountain West came to UM and said are you interested? then hell yeah go for it, but the Sun Belt? the least glamourous conference in the FBS? James Madison, App State, Geo Southern all traditional football powers in the FCS, national champions in the past, now Sun Belt teams maybe playing in the New Mexico Bowl.

Look at Weber right now, they are playing in the CIT championship game tomorrow night, is it as glamourous as the Big Dance? no. But heck Weber could be a Champion tomorrow night.

These schools (ASU,JMU,GSU) have put thier football teams into a situation that the Big Sky basketball teams are in, what are the chances a Big Sky school could win the National Championship in the Dance? Pretty much non-existing, now what are App State's chances of winning another Football championship? Pretty much non-existing.

If the Griz had joined the WAC 10 years ago, we may be in the MWC right now. Is the Sun Belt desirable...no. But it will lead to a better place. Gotta start somewhere and sometime. Shoulda been 10 years ago...oh well. Start now.

 

[stubbins]

1. I... I... I don't even know what the f*ck that means....

2. F*ck you. I'm right far more often than you. And I post about 1% of what I know. Where the f*ck do you get off questioning who I know, and what they tell me? F*ck, you are so damn pompous that you don't even make sense 80% of the time. FWIW, I really don't a shit what you think of me, my posts, and particularly my sources. They've all got more integrity and class in their fingernails than you've ever had.

3. How the eff do you know how many games I attend??? And what f8cking difference does it make?? As for the rest of that shit, good on ya, I guess. :roll:

4. WHO GIVES A FLYING f***!!!???? Unlike you, I have a life outside the athletic department of the University of Montana, and I don't sniff jocks and kiss coaches asses on a regular basis. I'll tell you this though: Every single one of them knows me by name, some have been to my home, I've been a guest in some of their homes. Not that ANYONE GIVES A SHIT!!!!!!! But I'll repeat what I said above: F*CK YOU for having the audacity to denigrate my friends. But that's just the kind of "man" you are, evidently.


And now, I'm done.

it's much easier just to type FUCK YOU! and let the little censor thing to it's magic...typing f8cking is wasting your time, keeping you from making solid points on why we should move up... :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

I'm part of the crowd that thinks moving up wouldn't be a bad thing. I just think that if we choose to go that route, we're not going to be going to the National Championship anytime soon... or ever.

Of course not. I would hope anyone advocating a move up is not under the illusion that a nc is possible at the next level.

Then why is the move up so desirable? If the best you can get is a Idaho Potato bowl? I can understand from a UM fan point of view that the usual beatdowns of the likes of the Weber's, UNC's and ISU's of the world would get boring, but playing teams in the Sun Belt? The only conference at this point that would even welcome you, would a game in WGS vs ULL really be bigger than a home game vs EWU?

If the Mountain West came to UM and said are you interested? then hell yeah go for it, but the Sun Belt? the least glamourous conference in the FBS? James Madison, App State, Geo Southern all traditional football powers in the FCS, national champions in the past, now Sun Belt teams maybe playing in the New Mexico Bowl.

Look at Weber right now, they are playing in the CIT championship game tomorrow night, is it as glamourous as the Big Dance? no. But heck Weber could be a Champion tomorrow night.

These schools (ASU,JMU,GSU) have put thier football teams into a situation that the Big Sky basketball teams are in, what are the chances a Big Sky school could win the National Championship in the Dance? Pretty much non-existing, now what are App State's chances of winning another Football championship? Pretty much non-existing.

If the Griz had joined the WAC 10 years ago, we may be in the MWC right now. Is the Sun Belt desirable...no. But it will lead to a better place. Gotta start somewhere and sometime. Shoulda been 10 years ago...oh well. Start now.

If UM had stayed in the Pacific Coast Conference, and joined the AAWU with other teams from the PCC, maybe UM would be in the Pac-12 now--if we're into wild and unrealistic speculation.

 

[indian-outlaw]

Well, then let's just play the 8th grade JVers at Hellgate! That City Championship will be AWESOME!!! :roll:


We all understand it's about winning championships. So I guess we'll truly enjoy a conference championship (against legitimate DI competition), and a win against another conference champion in a Bowl game. To me, that's just as good (better??) as some "national" championship played in Taco Time soccer stadium, that no one outside of a few FCS fans even know exists. Let's be honest: it is a complete misnomer to call what happens in Frisco a "national" anything. Especially with the watered down, paper thin competition that FCS will soon be able to roll out there.



And yes, I DID play sports. Many of them.

Were you crying about the FCS being watered down when the griz won the NC in 95 after solid 1AA teams Lousisiana Tech, Louisiana Monroe and Arkansas State had bailed for 1AA? Or after the 2001 NC without Nevada, Boise State, Central Florida, Uconn and a butt load of others? There is still well over a hundred teams that play in the FCS. Montana is not in any position to play ball with the major conferences see years 1939-62. Good teams will come and go, college football and athletics are a very dynamic environment but we are competing where we belong like it or not. If you really want to see us get our dicks dragged through the dirt you should get your fill when the mens BB team has to play Syracuse or Wisconsin.

 

[Grizbeer]

Were you crying about the FCS being watered down when the griz won the NC in 95 after solid 1AA teams Lousisiana Tech, Louisiana Monroe and Arkansas State had bailed for 1AA? Or after the 2001 NC without Nevada, Boise State, Central Florida, Uconn and a butt load of others? There is still well over a hundred teams that play in the FCS. Montana is not in any position to play ball with the major conferences see years 1939-62. Good teams will come and go, college football and athletics are a very dynamic environment but we are competing where we belong like it or not. If you really want to see us get our dicks dragged through the dirt you should get your fill when the mens BB team has to play Syracuse or Wisconsin.

I am not sure that 1939 - 1962 is a good comparison. That is the period when Montana was intentionally de-emphasizing athletics, especially football. Things were so bad that by 1962, when the final plans and agreements were taking place to form the Big Sky Conference one of the agreements was that UM would increase the number of football scholarships, and MSU and ISU would decrease the number of football scholarships they offered to bring everyone level. The teams UM was playing in the prior years were offering 100 or more scholarships. In the early '60's MSU paid athletes aid at double the rate UM did.

If Montana moved up now they would offer the full 85 scholarships to put them on more equal footing. The past would not necessarily be an indication of the future, and might look more like the 1937 team that went 7-1 and beat Texas Tech in Lubbock, although even the 1939 season when the Griz went 3-6 with wins over Portland, MSU and Idaho and losses to San Francisco, UCLA, Washington, Gonzaga, Texas Tech and Arizona seems more satisfying than last year's 5-6 record for the Griz.

 

[get'em_griz]

For me, I see that as the programs with large fan support are leaving the FCS, the programs with small fan support are what remains and waters down the division. There may be other competitive teams, but because they don't have much in the way of fan support, those programs will need more money to survive in an already dry pool that is the FCS.

Take a look at what teams finished 2012 in the top 25 and look at their attendance numbers:

2012-2013 Top 25 attendance numbers:

#1 North Dakota State - 18,516 - Won't be sticking in FCS for long if they remain successful
#2 Sam Houston State - 8,782
#3 Georgia Southern - 18,487 - Leaving FCS
#4 Eastern Washington - 8,089
#5 Montana State - 17,627
#6 Old Dominion - 20,037 - Gone
#7 Wofford - 7,690
#8 Appalachian State - 26,385 - Leaving FCS
#9 Illinois State - 6,512
#10 Central Arkansas - 8,550
#11 Cal Poly - 8,566
#12 Stony Brook - 5,826
#13 New Hampshire - 7,746
#14 Lehigh - 7,206
#15 Towson - 8,691
#16 Villanova - 7,144
#17 South Dakota State - 11,843
#18 Richmond - 8,700
#19 Eastern Kentucky - 9,800
#20 Northern Arizona - 6,787
#21 James Madison - 22,783 - Rumored to leave soon
#22 Wagner - 2,352 :shock:
#23 Bethune-Cookman - 7,420
#24 Coastal Carolina - 8,030
#25 Harvard - 11,520 - Doesn't participate in the playoffs.

After these teams are gone, you have Montana (25,236), James Madison (if they're still here - 22,783), North Dakota State (18,516), and Montana State (17,627) Leading attendance for the most part, and then fan support for the rest of the top programs are struggling to average 10,000 fans. EWU is taking the steps needed to bring up support and will have a 15,000+ stadium soon, but other than that, it's hard to find support for football at this level. Could you imagine Wagner getting to host a playoff game and having to go on the road playing in front of 2,352 people?!

 

[mikegriz]

For me, I see that as the programs with large fan support are leaving the FCS, the programs with small fan support are what remains and waters down the division. There may be other competitive teams, but because they don't have much in the way of fan support, those programs will need more money to survive in an already dry pool that is the FCS.

Take a look at what teams finished 2012 in the top 25 and look at their attendance numbers:

2012-2013 Top 25 attendance numbers:

#1 North Dakota State - 18,516 - Won't be sticking in FCS for long if they remain successful
#2 Sam Houston State - 8,782
#3 Georgia Southern - 18,487 - Leaving FCS
#4 Eastern Washington - 8,089
#5 Montana State - 17,627
#6 Old Dominion - 20,037 - Gone
#7 Wofford - 7,690
#8 Appalachian State - 26,385 - Leaving FCS
#9 Illinois State - 6,512
#10 Central Arkansas - 8,550
#11 Cal Poly - 8,566
#12 Stony Brook - 5,826
#13 New Hampshire - 7,746
#14 Lehigh - 7,206
#15 Towson - 8,691
#16 Villanova - 7,144
#17 South Dakota State - 11,843
#18 Richmond - 8,700
#19 Eastern Kentucky - 9,800
#20 Northern Arizona - 6,787
#21 James Madison - 22,783 - Rumored to leave soon
#22 Wagner - 2,352 :shock:
#23 Bethune-Cookman - 7,420
#24 Coastal Carolina - 8,030
#25 Harvard - 11,520 - Doesn't participate in the playoffs.

After these teams are gone, you have Montana (25,236), James Madison (if they're still here - 22,783), North Dakota State (18,516), and Montana State (17,627) Leading attendance for the most part, and then fan support for the rest of the top programs are struggling to average 10,000 fans. EWU is taking the steps needed to bring up support and will have a 15,000+ stadium soon, but other than that, it's hard to find support for football at this level. Could you imagine Wagner getting to host a playoff game and having to go on the road playing in front of 2,352 people?!

For me, I see that as the programs with large fan support are leaving the FCS, the programs with small fan support are what remains and waters down the division. There may be other competitive teams, but because they don't have much in the way of fan support, those programs will need more money to survive in an already dry pool that is the FCS.

Take a look at what teams finished 2012 in the top 25 and look at their attendance numbers:

2012-2013 Top 25 attendance numbers:

#1 North Dakota State - 18,516 - Won't be sticking in FCS for long if they remain successful
#2 Sam Houston State - 8,782
#3 Georgia Southern - 18,487 - Leaving FCS
#4 Eastern Washington - 8,089
#5 Montana State - 17,627
#6 Old Dominion - 20,037 - Gone
#7 Wofford - 7,690
#8 Appalachian State - 26,385 - Leaving FCS
#9 Illinois State - 6,512
#10 Central Arkansas - 8,550
#11 Cal Poly - 8,566
#12 Stony Brook - 5,826
#13 New Hampshire - 7,746
#14 Lehigh - 7,206
#15 Towson - 8,691
#16 Villanova - 7,144
#17 South Dakota State - 11,843
#18 Richmond - 8,700
#19 Eastern Kentucky - 9,800
#20 Northern Arizona - 6,787
#21 James Madison - 22,783 - Rumored to leave soon
#22 Wagner - 2,352 :shock:
#23 Bethune-Cookman - 7,420
#24 Coastal Carolina - 8,030
#25 Harvard - 11,520 - Doesn't participate in the playoffs.

After these teams are gone, you have Montana (25,236), James Madison (if they're still here - 22,783), North Dakota State (18,516), and Montana State (17,627) Leading attendance for the most part, and then fan support for the rest of the top programs are struggling to average 10,000 fans. EWU is taking the steps needed to bring up support and will have a 15,000+ stadium soon, but other than that, it's hard to find support for football at this level. Could you imagine Wagner getting to host a playoff game and having to go on the road playing in front of 2,352 people?!

So now we'll never win the fan attendance bowl

 

[griznation23]

For me, I see that as the programs with large fan support are leaving the FCS, the programs with small fan support are what remains and waters down the division. There may be other competitive teams, but because they don't have much in the way of fan support, those programs will need more money to survive in an already dry pool that is the FCS.

Take a look at what teams finished 2012 in the top 25 and look at their attendance numbers:

2012-2013 Top 25 attendance numbers:

#1 North Dakota State - 18,516 - Won't be sticking in FCS for long if they remain successful
#2 Sam Houston State - 8,782
#3 Georgia Southern - 18,487 - Leaving FCS
#4 Eastern Washington - 8,089
#5 Montana State - 17,627
#6 Old Dominion - 20,037 - Gone
#7 Wofford - 7,690
#8 Appalachian State - 26,385 - Leaving FCS
#9 Illinois State - 6,512
#10 Central Arkansas - 8,550
#11 Cal Poly - 8,566
#12 Stony Brook - 5,826
#13 New Hampshire - 7,746
#14 Lehigh - 7,206
#15 Towson - 8,691
#16 Villanova - 7,144
#17 South Dakota State - 11,843
#18 Richmond - 8,700
#19 Eastern Kentucky - 9,800
#20 Northern Arizona - 6,787
#21 James Madison - 22,783 - Rumored to leave soon
#22 Wagner - 2,352 :shock:
#23 Bethune-Cookman - 7,420
#24 Coastal Carolina - 8,030
#25 Harvard - 11,520 - Doesn't participate in the playoffs.

After these teams are gone, you have Montana (25,236), James Madison (if they're still here - 22,783), North Dakota State (18,516), and Montana State (17,627) Leading attendance for the most part, and then fan support for the rest of the top programs are struggling to average 10,000 fans. EWU is taking the steps needed to bring up support and will have a 15,000+ stadium soon, but other than that, it's hard to find support for football at this level. Could you imagine Wagner getting to host a playoff game and having to go on the road playing in front of 2,352 people?!

Who thinks those high numbers will remain after their losing seasons to come :? :roll: Go Griz!!!

 

[billings_poke]

FCS attendance all teams

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[AZGrizFan]

Of course it's not a guarentee that we'll end up being awful, but I believe that the seasons of winning and consistentely being at the top of our conference would come to an end (minus last year, obviously). This isn't a horrible thing, because true fans will continue watching either way, but I completely understand people's point of view that we could end up going the way of Idaho.

And yet Idaho fans were completely against moving down to division II...er, FCS. And that is the worst possible example for moving up...and they STILL prefer fbs.

I'm part of the crowd that thinks moving up wouldn't be a bad thing. I just think that if we choose to go that route, we're not going to be going to the National Championship anytime soon... or ever.

Of course not. I would hope anyone advocating a move up is not under the illusion that a nc is possible at the next level.

Not possible because we'll suck? Or not possible because they don't have playoffs? Because they WILL have playoffs, in some form, even as the 2nd tier FBS league. If they don't they'll be the ONLY level of football that doesn't. Hardly makes sense.