Move Up!?! IMO No...

[griznation23]

I have been a griz fan since 2005 and have watched a very successful football program have its ups and downs. But through those ups and downs I have never seen one new Championship sweater. I've seen a lot of winnings seasons but no strength to move onto the championship game or winning the Championship game. I believe if the Griz every plan on moving up, it should be after ending more than two FCS Championship seasons. I really don't like the idea of having losing seasons and playing for a bowl game any of us could care less about. I really don't like the idea of having a Idaho Vandals result. Honestly, since 2005 I have watched the Griz play App. State three times and didn't see a rivalry like we have with sCats. Georgia Southern... :roll: I say we pass until we get two FCS Championships under our belt before we cry around about moving up, Please!!! :thumb:

Go Griz!!!

 

[MrTitleist]

Why does everyone assume that losing seasons and being the next Idaho are automatically the next thing that will happen if the Griz move up? Can anyone put any kind of substantial thought into why exactly these things will happen? Not speculative, ACTUAL reasons why this would happen.

 

[stubbins]

Why does everyone assume that losing seasons and being the next Idaho are automatically the next thing that will happen if the Griz move up? Can anyone put any kind of substantial thought into why exactly these things will happen? Not speculative, ACTUAL reasons why this would happen.

Also, why is the only consideration for the stay put crowd whether the Griz can win a nc...yet those who want to move up are the ego driven? :roll:

Like I said, if you must win to feel good about rooting for the Griz, let's move down a division. Let the chest thumping begin!

If the Griz wait for the big sky to move up, toast all the way around. No tv money, no tourney money....need to find a conference, ANY conference and position for the future.

 

[goldengriz27]

Of course it's not a guarentee that we'll end up being awful, but I believe that the seasons of winning and consistentely being at the top of our conference would come to an end (minus last year, obviously). This isn't a horrible thing, because true fans will continue watching either way, but I completely understand people's point of view that we could end up going the way of Idaho.

 

[stubbins]

Of course it's not a guarentee that we'll end up being awful, but I believe that the seasons of winning and consistentely being at the top of our conference would come to an end (minus last year, obviously). This isn't a horrible thing, because true fans will continue watching either way, but I completely understand people's point of view that we could end up going the way of Idaho.

And yet Idaho fans were completely against moving down to division II...er, FCS. And that is the worst possible example for moving up...and they STILL prefer fbs.

 

[billings_poke]

Why does everyone assume that losing seasons and being the next Idaho are automatically the next thing that will happen if the Griz move up? Can anyone put any kind of substantial thought into why exactly these things will happen? Not speculative, ACTUAL reasons why this would happen.

plus it is usually the extremes of Boise or Idaho. No mention of a Nevada, type success

 

[Grizzlies1982]

Why does everyone assume that losing seasons and being the next Idaho are automatically the next thing that will happen if the Griz move up? Can anyone put any kind of substantial thought into why exactly these things will happen? Not speculative, ACTUAL reasons why this would happen.

First, I suspect the Grizzlies would do better than Idaho has. Second, I suspect at some point during this decade the Griz will 'move up'. Third, I also suspect within the decade, the existing FCS will disappear with a new lower tier "FBS" subdivision replacing it. Though to provide a answer to your question why it "could" happen; Consider our old Big Sky foes Idaho and Boise State who took the same move which led to such different paths;

Boise decided the were moving up. Idaho moved up solely because they felt pressured not to be "left behind' (sound kind of familiar?).

Before moving up Boise had the best facilities in the conference while Idaho's were near the middle at best (today while UM has a great stadium, we have little else in place).

Further Boise had always enjoyed deep pocket individual and corporate supporters. Those same supporters were promoting their move up and readily covering any necessary additional expenses. Idaho began in a hole without the money needed to improve their facilities, nor the funds for the additional athletic operating expenses. Yet, Idaho still went anyway. Perhaps they assumed FBS conference revenue sharing, TV, and OCC games would cover it (sound kind of familiar?).

As we all saw, Boise State became well established in FBS while the Univ of Idaho has fallen into virtual doormat status. Boise State was positioned to have a chance to succeed. They had the facilities. They had the initial money in hand. They had the commitment of future financial support lined up. Appalachian State is now moving up. They have the facilities. They have $25 million in hand for their move. They have more than just a winning football tradition, they are prepared for an opportunity to succeed.

Those of you who want to move up "before we get left behind", ask yourself if the Univ. of Montana is as prepared as Boise State, App State, or Idaho? Titleist, rather than the question you posed, perhaps the better question is this;

Why does everyone assume that winning seasons and being the next Boise State are automatically the next thing that will happen if the Griz move up?
:ugeek:

 

[goldengriz27]

Of course it's not a guarentee that we'll end up being awful, but I believe that the seasons of winning and consistentely being at the top of our conference would come to an end (minus last year, obviously). This isn't a horrible thing, because true fans will continue watching either way, but I completely understand people's point of view that we could end up going the way of Idaho.

And yet Idaho fans were completely against moving down to division II...er, FCS. And that is the worst possible example for moving up...and they STILL prefer fbs.

I'm part of the crowd that thinks moving up wouldn't be a bad thing. I just think that if we choose to go that route, we're not going to be going to the National Championship anytime soon... or ever.

 

[stubbins]

Of course it's not a guarentee that we'll end up being awful, but I believe that the seasons of winning and consistentely being at the top of our conference would come to an end (minus last year, obviously). This isn't a horrible thing, because true fans will continue watching either way, but I completely understand people's point of view that we could end up going the way of Idaho.

And yet Idaho fans were completely against moving down to division II...er, FCS. And that is the worst possible example for moving up...and they STILL prefer fbs.

I'm part of the crowd that thinks moving up wouldn't be a bad thing. I just think that if we choose to go that route, we're not going to be going to the National Championship anytime soon... or ever.

Of course not. I would hope anyone advocating a move up is not under the illusion that a nc is possible at the next level.

 

[mikegriz]

I have been a griz fan since 2005 and have watched a very successful football program have its ups and downs. But through those ups and downs I have never seen one new Championship sweater. I've seen a lot of winnings seasons but no strength to move onto the championship game or winning the Championship game. I believe if the Griz every plan on moving up, it should be after ending more than two FCS Championship seasons. I really don't like the idea of having losing seasons and playing for a bowl game any of us could care less about. I really don't like the idea of having a Idaho Vandals result. Honestly, since 2005 I have watched the Griz play App. State three times and didn't see a rivalry like we have with sCats. Georgia Southern... :roll: I say we pass until we get two FCS Championships under our belt before we cry around about moving up, Please!!! :thumb:

Go Griz!!!

+1 Happy where we are. I like Griz football. I've liked Griz football for nearly 30 years. Don't plan to stop liking Griz football anytime soon. When we become Boise State and dominate the conference, people will be glad to see the backs of us and it will be time. No rush. I'd way rather we were a really good FCS team than a mediocre FBS team. Bowls suck. Playoffs rule.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Despite what some ego maniacs on each side think, the only fact is, we won't know until we give it a try. If this move up were as amazing for the GRIZ as some egos are in believing they are right, just because they think so, the GRIZ would win win a handful of BCS Championships in 10 years.

Seriously, I just want the GRIZ to make the right decision, and prepare for the move, when it is necessary. I do wish a few posters would just respect the other side of their opinion. Just because your opinion is what it is, does not mean you are right, and the other side is wrong.

Both sides have compelling reasons why. All the reasons brought up on each side, are likely being weighed by the powers to be. I do believe the final outcome will be known between 2015 and 2020. In the meantime, is it expecting too much for egrizzers to respect each side and get along?

Either way, GO GRIZ!!!!

 

[Ursa Major]

Despite what some ego maniacs on each side think, the only fact is, we won't know until we give it a try. If this move up were as amazing for the GRIZ as some egos are in believing they are right, just because they think so, the GRIZ would win win a handful of BCS Championships in 10 years.

Seriously, I just want the GRIZ to make the right decision, and prepare for the move, when it is necessary. I do wish a few posters would just respect the other side of their opinion. Just because your opinion is what it is, does not mean you are right, and the other side is wrong.

Both sides have compelling reasons why. All the reasons brought up on each side, are likely being weighed by the powers to be. I do believe the final outcome will be known between 2015 and 2020. In the meantime, is it expecting too much for egrizzers to respect each side and get along?

Either way, GO GRIZ!!!!

If you begin the first sentence of your post with accusing another poster of being an idiot, you're an idiot... oh, wait. I agree with you on the civility part, MGR. It would be nice to see a more respectful exchange of ideas without the name calling. Not sure it will ever happen on here. Now I'm wondering if heavy drinking is a part of your Easter family tradition. Good Post!

 

[Cuervohola]

I don't think being the next Idaho is physically possible

 

[EverettGriz]

FWIW, Boise hardly dominated the BSC prior to their move in fact most thought Idaho was far better positioned to make the move up.

And I love(d) where we are (were) also. But where we are is no longer what it was. The best programs in the FCS are gone or soon going. I fear very soon that the FCS playoff bracket will look like this:

#8 Idaho State at #1 Montana
#7 UNC at #2 Eastern
#6 Mesa State at #3 MSU
#5 NAU at #4 Weber.

No thanks.



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[CV Griz Fan]

Of course it's not a guarentee that we'll end up being awful, but I believe that the seasons of winning and consistentely being at the top of our conference would come to an end (minus last year, obviously). This isn't a horrible thing, because true fans will continue watching either way, but I completely understand people's point of view that we could end up going the way of Idaho.

And yet Idaho fans were completely against moving down to division II...er, FCS. And that is the worst possible example for moving up...and they STILL prefer fbs.

I'm part of the crowd that thinks moving up wouldn't be a bad thing. I just think that if we choose to go that route, we're not going to be going to the National Championship anytime soon... or ever.

Of course not. I would hope anyone advocating a move up is not under the illusion that a nc is possible at the next level.

On a recruiting visit last year, I was told by Coach Pflugrad that UM had an offer from the MWC to join but turned it down because of financial reasons. He said that the university would have to add additional sports to make the move up. Sports like women's softball etc. Pflugrad said that this was the reason that UM turned down the MWC. I believe he said that it was around 2011 when the offer was extended. I think that if it came to football only, the Griz could compete and win in the MWC. It would be difficult to compete with the likes of Boise State and maybe SDSU, but the Griz could compete and eventually beat
many of the other teams IMO. The Griz are a unique program. For their size, they have a fantastic fan base which has great attendance. After a few years in the MWC, they could recruit even better players because of the exposure. The fan base alone would get recruits to play here. Recruits want to play for big crowds. This fact would keep the Griz competitive in the MWC football IMO.

 

[Bear Axed]

I'm just very thankful today that my opinion on the matter of moving-up, staying put or moving-down, has as much bearing on the issue as everyone else's does on this board. Which of course is SQUAT

Thank GOD today, it doesn't pertain to if I'll live and breathe tomorrow.

to those of you that need an immediate crisis, well........then enjoy yourselves :thumb:


bye the way, the Bobcats suck

 

[Silvertip]

I have been a griz fan since 2005 and have watched a very successful football program have its ups and downs. But through those ups and downs I have never seen one new Championship sweater. I've seen a lot of winnings seasons but no strength to move onto the championship game or winning the Championship game. I believe if the Griz every plan on moving up, it should be after ending more than two FCS Championship seasons. I really don't like the idea of having losing seasons and playing for a bowl game any of us could care less about. I really don't like the idea of having a Idaho Vandals result. Honestly, since 2005 I have watched the Griz play App. State three times and didn't see a rivalry like we have with sCats. Georgia Southern... :roll: I say we pass until we get two FCS Championships under our belt before we cry around about moving up, Please!!! :thumb:

Go Griz!!!

"Championship! Championship! Championship!"...Can we please get over this absurd low hurdle? When last season's FBS bowl season was over there was #1 Alabama - and 119 who weren't. Did they rend their garments in despair and whine because they didn't at least get one of those cute participation awards that have become so fashionable in our wussy world? Championships are not the be-all end-all reason for playing intercollegiate athletics. The championship argument is no less :lame: than bringing Idaho (zzzzzzz) into another pointless conversation. Now, there's the feel good 24 team FCS playoff scheme which further dilutes the concept of "championship" into a meaningless joke...The lack of common sense flittering around the subject continues to boggle the brain of anyone who takes the time to actually separate fact from fiction.

 

[mikegriz]

I have been a griz fan since 2005 and have watched a very successful football program have its ups and downs. But through those ups and downs I have never seen one new Championship sweater. I've seen a lot of winnings seasons but no strength to move onto the championship game or winning the Championship game. I believe if the Griz every plan on moving up, it should be after ending more than two FCS Championship seasons. I really don't like the idea of having losing seasons and playing for a bowl game any of us could care less about. I really don't like the idea of having a Idaho Vandals result. Honestly, since 2005 I have watched the Griz play App. State three times and didn't see a rivalry like we have with sCats. Georgia Southern... :roll: I say we pass until we get two FCS Championships under our belt before we cry around about moving up, Please!!! :thumb:

Go Griz!!!

"Championship! Championship! Championship!"...Can we please get over this absurd low hurdle? When last season's FBS bowl season was over there was #1 Alabama - and 119 who weren't. Did they rend their garments in despair and whine because they didn't at least get one of those cute participation awards that have become so fashionable in our wussy world? Championships are not the be-all end-all reason for playing intercollegiate athletics. The championship argument is no less :lame: than bringing Idaho (zzzzzzz) into another pointless conversation. Now, there's the feel good 24 team FCS playoff scheme which further dilutes the concept of "championship" into a meaningless joke...The lack of common sense flittering around the subject continues to boggle the brain of anyone who takes the time to actually separate fact from fiction.

So what are the facts or common sense did you bring in here? I'm missing it. Seems the move-up discussion is not a matter of facts or fiction; just a matter of opinion.

 

[billings_poke]

On a recruiting visit last year, I was told by Coach Pflugrad that UM had an offer from the MWC to join but turned it down because of financial reasons. He said that the university would have to add additional sports to make the move up. Sports like women's softball etc. Pflugrad said that this was the reason that UM turned down the MWC. I believe he said that it was around 2011 when the offer was extended. I think that if it came to football only, the Griz could compete and win in the MWC. It would be difficult to compete with the likes of Boise State and maybe SDSU, but the Griz could compete and eventually beat
many of the other teams IMO. The Griz are a unique program. For their size, they have a fantastic fan base which has great attendance. After a few years in the MWC, they could recruit even better players because of the exposure. The fan base alone would get recruits to play here. Recruits want to play for big crowds. This fact would keep the Griz competitive in the MWC football IMO.

I never heard that UM was on the radar at that time but that would have been when BYU was leaving the conference and the WAC and MWC were involved in a death struggle and a lot of plans were being set up and discussed. MWC ended up winning by invited Nevada, Fresno, and Hawaii out of the WAC and killing the BYU attempt to rebuild the WAC and probably dooming the WAC in football. BYU olys ended up in the WCC as a second choice. You would have joined with that group and this would have been your first year in the MWC. Your Basketball would have loved that. Too bad you turned it down. Although I agree your facilites really need some attention very soon and recruiting would be tough until you do that upgrade.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

On a recruiting visit last year, I was told by Coach Pflugrad that UM had an offer from the MWC to join but turned it down because of financial reasons. He said that the university would have to add additional sports to make the move up. Sports like women's softball etc. Pflugrad said that this was the reason that UM turned down the MWC. I believe he said that it was around 2011 when the offer was extended. I think that if it came to football only, the Griz could compete and win in the MWC. It would be difficult to compete with the likes of Boise State and maybe SDSU, but the Griz could compete and eventually beat
many of the other teams IMO. The Griz are a unique program. For their size, they have a fantastic fan base which has great attendance. After a few years in the MWC, they could recruit even better players because of the exposure. The fan base alone would get recruits to play here. Recruits want to play for big crowds. This fact would keep the Griz competitive in the MWC football IMO.

I never heard that UM was on the radar at that time but that would have been when BYU was leaving the conference and the WAC and MWC were involved in a death struggle and a lot of plans were being set up and discussed. MWC ended up winning by invited Nevada, Fresno, and Hawaii out of the WAC and killing the BYU attempt to rebuild the WAC and probably dooming the WAC in football. BYU olys ended up in the WCC as a second choice. You would have joined with that group and this would have been your first year in the MWC. Your Basketball would have loved that. Too bad you turned it down. Although I agree your facilites really need some attention very soon and recruiting would be tough until you do that upgrade.

I agree with you Poke about the facilities. But right now, the Griz could compete with and possibly beat Wyo, Colorado State, Hawaii, New Mexico, SJSU and Utah State IMO. Boise, SDSU and maybe Fresno State are at a different level currently but who's to say, in a few years down the road, what the "landscape" will be. The Griz have a better "fan base" than many of the above mentioned teams. Believe me, with out Utah and BYU in the conference, the Griz can compete IMO.