Montana's QB situation

[SoldierGriz]

But I know coaching.

do you?

 

[ilovethecats]

Yikes. Where to start.

I said couldn't he have gotten touches OTHER ways besides catching. I assume you'd know that running is a good way to get touches other than passing. He proved he was ok in that role the year prior correct? Is there nothing that could be done to get him more than 3 touches a game? That seems scary to me.

I thought Ifanse got a good amount of carries in his only three games of action this year. Don't mind him leaving. Guessing he'll test his luck in FBS but who knows. Nothing bad to say about the kid. He was incredible.

I'm not allowed to take care of my own house.

Our regular running backs are better. They weren’t available last year. Again, he was hurt. I think people who talk touches in college football are clueless. He had way more than 3 touches per game.

You could be right on that PR. I never checked how many touches he had. Trusted AZ though. Assume it’s on the interwebs.

Let’s say you’re correct. Your listed running backs were way better than Bergan. No way he could crack that lineup.

So you list him as WR. Don’t give him touches there. Then he’s hurt and has a soft cast. So now there’s nothing anyone can do to get the ball in his hands?

We can go back and forth if you’d like. My only point is I love Bergan, griz or not; I think he can make plays for any offense regardless of what position he’s listed at; and I think the offense he plays on would be much better if he had the ball in his casted arms more.

As a griz fan, would you have not liked to see him have the ball in his hands more?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Our regular running backs are better. They weren’t available last year. Again, he was hurt. I think people who talk touches in college football are clueless. He had way more than 3 touches per game.

You could be right on that PR. I never checked how many touches he had. Trusted AZ though. Assume it’s on the interwebs.

Let’s say you’re correct. Your listed running backs were way better than Bergan. No way he could crack that lineup.

So you list him as WR. Don’t give him touches there. Then he’s hurt and has a soft cast. So now there’s nothing anyone can do to get the ball in his hands?

We can go back and forth if you’d like. My only point is I love Bergan, griz or not; I think he can make plays for any offense regardless of what position he’s listed at; and I think the offense he plays on would be much better if he had the ball in his casted arms more.

As a griz fan, would you have not liked to see him have the ball in his hands more?

I was fine with the season except Johnson getting hurt.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Our regular running backs are better. They weren’t available last year. Again, he was hurt. I think people who talk touches in college football are clueless. He had way more than 3 touches per game.

You could be right on that PR. I never checked how many touches he had. Trusted AZ though. Assume it’s on the interwebs.

Let’s say you’re correct. Your listed running backs were way better than Bergan. No way he could crack that lineup.

So you list him as WR. Don’t give him touches there. Then he’s hurt and has a soft cast. So now there’s nothing anyone can do to get the ball in his hands?

We can go back and forth if you’d like. My only point is I love Bergan, griz or not; I think he can make plays for any offense regardless of what position he’s listed at; and I think the offense he plays on would be much better if he had the ball in his casted arms more.

As a griz fan, would you have not liked to see him have the ball in his hands more?

The only other touches he had were punt returns. He’s one of 2-3 guys on the team that could create plays in space and make guys miss. Knight couldnt’ do it. Ostmo couldn’t do it. Bergen, Harris and Flowers and Johnson That’s about it. Maaaaaybe Fontes. Every other skill player was a ‘possession” guy. Weren’t gonna run away from people, weren’t physical mismatches (with the exception of Grossman) and weren’t jukey enough to make people miss very often.

 

[ilovethecats]

Yikes. Where to start.

I said couldn't he have gotten touches OTHER ways besides catching. I assume you'd know that running is a good way to get touches other than passing. He proved he was ok in that role the year prior correct? Is there nothing that could be done to get him more than 3 touches a game? That seems scary to me.

I thought Ifanse got a good amount of carries in his only three games of action this year. Don't mind him leaving. Guessing he'll test his luck in FBS but who knows. Nothing bad to say about the kid. He was incredible.

I'm not allowed to take care of my own house.

Our regular running backs are better. They weren’t available last year. Again, he was hurt. I think people who talk touches in college football are clueless. He had way more than 3 touches per game.

Hey PR you may be right. I don't have a dog in the fight. I guess I'll just say if I was a Griz fan, I'd be hoping and praying that Bergan is as content with his involvement as you seem to be. Apparently there was no way to get the ball in his hands. As a Cat fan I pray that's true. But as a fan of the kid himself, I wish he was on a team that found ways to use him. Especially after his 2021 season.

But maybe it's just not possible.

 

[ilovethecats]

You could be right on that PR. I never checked how many touches he had. Trusted AZ though. Assume it’s on the interwebs.

Let’s say you’re correct. Your listed running backs were way better than Bergan. No way he could crack that lineup.

So you list him as WR. Don’t give him touches there. Then he’s hurt and has a soft cast. So now there’s nothing anyone can do to get the ball in his hands?

We can go back and forth if you’d like. My only point is I love Bergan, griz or not; I think he can make plays for any offense regardless of what position he’s listed at; and I think the offense he plays on would be much better if he had the ball in his casted arms more.

As a griz fan, would you have not liked to see him have the ball in his hands more?

I was fine with the season except Johnson getting hurt.

That's nice.

Would you have not liked to see Bergan get the ball in his hands more in the season you were fine with except for Johnson getting hurt?

 

[mthoopsfan]

I was fine with the season except Johnson getting hurt.

That's nice.

Would you have not liked to see Bergan get the ball in his hands more in the season you were fine with except for Johnson getting hurt?

Don’t care. Would like if he hadn’t been hurt, tho. Do u know that Bergan wasnt a starter?

 

[AZDoc]

Our regular running backs are better. They weren’t available last year. Again, he was hurt. I think people who talk touches in college football are clueless. He had way more than 3 touches per game.

Hey PR you may be right. I don't have a dog in the fight. I guess I'll just say if I was a Griz fan, I'd be hoping and praying that Bergan is as content with his involvement as you seem to be. Apparently there was no way to get the ball in his hands. As a Cat fan I pray that's true. But as a fan of the kid himself, I wish he was on a team that found ways to use him. Especially after his 2021 season.

But maybe it's just not possible.

I agree that he needs touches, but not the number, more quality touches. I hate when talking heads say that so and so needs touches. 5 high quality touches that leads to big plays or scores makes much more impact than 10 touches that lead to a total of 1 first down. I think really what needs to happen is the coaches need to put the big play kids in positions to make their touches high quality.

 

[AZDoc]

Yikes. Where to start.

I said couldn't he have gotten touches OTHER ways besides catching. I assume you'd know that running is a good way to get touches other than passing. He proved he was ok in that role the year prior correct? Is there nothing that could be done to get him more than 3 touches a game? That seems scary to me.

I thought Ifanse got a good amount of carries in his only three games of action this year. Don't mind him leaving. Guessing he'll test his luck in FBS but who knows. Nothing bad to say about the kid. He was incredible.

I'm not allowed to take care of my own house.

Our regular running backs are better. They weren’t available last year. Again, he was hurt. I think people who talk touches in college football are clueless. He had way more than 3 touches per game.

Exactly…the RBs are better at being RBs. Now an occasional sweep or something, absolutely, but as PR said, he was put into that position and did well.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Hey PR you may be right. I don't have a dog in the fight. I guess I'll just say if I was a Griz fan, I'd be hoping and praying that Bergan is as content with his involvement as you seem to be. Apparently there was no way to get the ball in his hands. As a Cat fan I pray that's true. But as a fan of the kid himself, I wish he was on a team that found ways to use him. Especially after his 2021 season.

But maybe it's just not possible.

I agree that he needs touches, but not the number, more quality touches. I hate when talking heads say that so and so needs touches. 5 high quality touches that leads to big plays or scores makes much more impact than 10 touches that lead to a total of 1 first down. I think really what needs to happen is the coaches need to put the big play kids in positions to make their touches high quality.

And I think “big play kids” MAKE their touches high quality. But when they get less than 3 a game, it’s tough to make much out of that.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I agree that he needs touches, but not the number, more quality touches. I hate when talking heads say that so and so needs touches. 5 high quality touches that leads to big plays or scores makes much more impact than 10 touches that lead to a total of 1 first down. I think really what needs to happen is the coaches need to put the big play kids in positions to make their touches high quality.

And I think “big play kids” MAKE their touches high quality. But when they get less than 3 a game, it’s tough to make much out of that.

Bergan had way more than 3 touches per game.

 

[GrizRealist]

And I think “big play kids” MAKE their touches high quality. But when they get less than 3 a game, it’s tough to make much out of that.

Bergan had way more than 3 touches per game.

If we're talking offensive touches, he got less than 3/game actually in the 11 games he actually played in. 31 offensive touches in 11 games for a player like JB is not good. As one of my coaches would say, get the ball to a good player.

You can skew this by adding in his special teams touches, but that's not really the point that is being made above. A dynamic athlete like JB should be getting the ball on offense a lot.

 

[AZGrizFan]

And I think “big play kids” MAKE their touches high quality. But when they get less than 3 a game, it’s tough to make much out of that.

Bergan had way more than 3 touches per game.

Read my original post. He had less than 3 offensive touches per game. He also had several PR’s and a few KR’s. But on offense, they got him the ball a total of 31 times in 11 games he participated in. That is not more than 3 per game.

 

[ilovethecats]

That's nice.

Would you have not liked to see Bergan get the ball in his hands more in the season you were fine with except for Johnson getting hurt?

Don’t care. Would like if he hadn’t been hurt, tho. Do u know that Bergan wasnt a starter?

I did know that. Yes.

 

[ilovethecats]

Hey PR you may be right. I don't have a dog in the fight. I guess I'll just say if I was a Griz fan, I'd be hoping and praying that Bergan is as content with his involvement as you seem to be. Apparently there was no way to get the ball in his hands. As a Cat fan I pray that's true. But as a fan of the kid himself, I wish he was on a team that found ways to use him. Especially after his 2021 season.

But maybe it's just not possible.

I agree that he needs touches, but not the number, more quality touches. I hate when talking heads say that so and so needs touches. 5 high quality touches that leads to big plays or scores makes much more impact than 10 touches that lead to a total of 1 first down. I think really what needs to happen is the coaches need to put the big play kids in positions to make their touches high quality.

Well yes. I think if any coach knew that a player was going to get a big play or a score they’d give them the ball every play. And both player and coach would be in the hall of fame.

Because there is no way to know that before the play happens, what a lot of coaches try to do is give said player as many opportunities as possible. It’s just math. Obviously it works against you if you literally tried to give that player the ball every play. The guys on the other side tend to be good too. So you find that middle ground, and design plays that maybe the defense isn’t expecting, all the while putting the ball in the hands of your best players.

Sometimes these plays will go for big yards and scores. Other times they don’t. But you won’t know until the play is over. The alternative being just give the ball to whoever, regardless of talent, and see what happens.

If it was my choice, I’d opt to get the ball to guys on my roster who I felt had the ability to score on any given play. Personally, for the Griz I think that guy could be Bergan. PR and Bobby obviously feel differently which is more than ok to me.

 

[kemajic]

Personally, for the Griz I think that guy could be Bergan. PR and Bobby obviously feel differently which is more than ok to me.

I agree Bergen needs to be leveraged better. But this just in, neither PR nor Bobby call the plays.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Again, Bergen isn’t a starter. Would u bench the guy in front of him?

Bergen had 58 touches in 11 games. He had a soft caste on his thumb in several games. He had more touches than Flowers. Only Johnson, Ostmo and Knight had way more touches. A couple other running backs had a few more touches.

Fair catches weren’t counted as touches. Counting them, he had the 4th most touches on the team.

 

[bgbigdog]

This also just in , Bobby decides on the groceries and tells the guy who does call the plays, exactly what he wants. You can pretend it's not so all you want.

No doubt that QB is the most important spot in any offense. Yeah, it's more than the 1/11 contribution some would have you believe. it's not orders of magnitude above the rest.

They've run the same defense, rotating players, for four/five seasons. For better or worse, they've settled on something they can recruit to and believe can play well enough within to help them win. And no, I'm not endorsing the continued use of the 3-3-5. Just to point out that there's a clear identity. And come hell or high water, it's been consistent.

Perhaps if that same thinking was applied, and there was an actual offensive identity that he could recruit to? LIke NDSU, SDSU, and Bozeman seem to have been able to do. A innovative, yet fairly balanced and star-driven offense, with a rebuilding o-line of five seasons back, has morphed into an inside zone, throw the ball to "where it should go", no-star offense. If you assume Vidlak is the successor, every other QB has been stylistically different that the one before. Bergen, Grossman and Flowers can play, but no one is leaning on them like they did with Akem, Toure and JLM.

Meaning the identity of the offense, which Hauck would want, is to be running the ball no matter who takes the snap. If the QB can figure into that positively, without getting hurt, it's something that can be lived with. But you saw what happened to bozeman when someone could get off a block, take a pursuit angle and make a tackle. Running QBs are just injuries waiting to happen. Fun while it lasts. So if that's your strategy, got to have a few of them in the stable.

If true, that Hauck wants to run, time to figure out where to find and how to develop O-linemen who can get the job done, like NDSU, SDSU and bozeman seem to have done.

 

[uptopgriz]

And I think “big play kids” MAKE their touches high quality. But when they get less than 3 a game, it’s tough to make much out of that.

Bergan had way more than 3 touches per game.

He never touched the ball against the Cats, then again we never made them punt.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Bergan had way more than 3 touches per game.

He never touched the ball against the Cats, then again we never made them punt.

He was hurt.