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MONTANA v unc
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bigpapaskills
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dub-foncy said:
No AJ anymore (thank the heavens) and don't forget about this: http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=310342692
I love our chances if we host. Only team that has played us extremely tough so far is NC...but hopefully they would get knocked out before then.
Again, this involves a lot of ifs. The Griz have a fairly easy schedule the rest of the way. I expect them to host.
Grizbacker1
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Nothing is easy. Ask NAU, they get beat in OT at Idaho State. I guess growler1's GENIUS Coach isn't such a genius anymore is he. :lol:
weberwildcat
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I'm surprised no one posted that MSU dunk on Weber from 2009. That is one I don't exactly love to relive though it was a great dunk.
It was tough losing to Grz at home but AJ really was a classy guy. He could have beeen big sky MVP either of the last 2 seasons.
It was tough losing to Grz at home but AJ really was a classy guy. He could have beeen big sky MVP either of the last 2 seasons.
grizindabox said:
Look at the article in today's paper. If you dont know what he means to this team, you aint been watching!
Stats never tell the whole story.http://missoulian.com/college/griz/article_29d02354-3748-11e0-be03-001cc4c03286.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"We hate your dad"...RMAF...typical brilliant Cat fans.
Seriously, playing tough defense is very tiring. Cherry can play great defense too, but if Stockton can clamp down and stop the toughest guard, it allows Will to be fresher to do the things that only Will can do. It makes good sense.
cclarkblues said:
I think a lot of people don't appreciate Stockton's game because he doesn't score many points. But he doesn't need to because the Griz have plenty of scorers. They just need him to do the other things: guard the other team's best guard, handle the ball, get it to Grizzlies in scoring position, etc. One thing I've noticed is that he often has a couple rebounds a game, tho he's usually the shortest man on the court, which tells you he's got a nose for the ball and he's hustling to it. He's also been valuable at the end of games in terms of handling the ball when the pressure is on, and being someone who can shoot the foul shots. He doesn't panic. I would think his teammates like playing with him, knowing that if they get open, he'll find a way to get them the ball, rather than trying to force up his own shot. One weakness he seems to have is that he doesn't always get squared up on those rare occasions when he takes an outside shot.
It's possible Stockton LOOKS so ineffective because he is overshadowed by the talent of the other players on the floor for the Griz. The only reference during a game to him is usually connected to a missed shot, a foul. or turnover. It is what he does in between those things that Tinks looks at and the public misses since we focus on the "stars" of the team....Maybe, Stockton is better than he appears...at any rate the team is building a good record...cclarkblues said:
I've been a fan of Stockton's for a long time. The good things he does on the floor just aren't things that show up on the stat sheet. I wanted to turn around and throttle the fellow sitting behind us at last night's game -- for much of the game, he complained about Stockton being in the game and kept yelling for Tinkle to "put in somebody who scores." I agree that the Griz probably need more of an outside game (NoCo's zone kind of shut down the Griz's inside game for awhile during the second half last night, and the Griz seemed unable to score from the outside), but pulling Stockton from the line-up is NOT the solution to that issue.
A lot of people don't seem to have noticed, either, that things really started to gel for the Grizzlies when Stockton began starting for the team and got more playing time about 6 or 7 games into the season. Not that he alone was responsible for that happening, but he is the sort of player who focuses primarily on elevating the games of those around him, rather than padding his own stats.
mtgrizrule
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Why does Stockton get the minutes he does?
(1) The others given the chance have not delivered.
(2) He commits himself 100% to whatever role Tinkle wants him to fulfill any given game (Ditto Steward).
(3) He does not bitch about having to fight off screens all night in sticking with his man.
(4) He plays with passion, smarts, and no fear.
(5) He contributes on the boards and is next to never out of position defensively.
(6) He sets up the offense well. I do wish he could penetrate better though.
(7) He very seldom turns the ball over
(8) He does not panick, and his FT shooting is needed down the stretch.
(9) The intangibles he brings keeps Will Cherry fresher for open court gambles and allows Cherry more energy to take a game over for a few stretches every game.
(10) Tinkle believes in using an intangible's player every year.
For those not liking his playing time. I suggest you figure out a way for Autry, Wood, and Adams step up their games. Neither of those guys are confident setting up an offense. I honestly believe that is the exact reason a talented Vaughn Autry is not seeing the playing time we would like to see.
(1) The others given the chance have not delivered.
(2) He commits himself 100% to whatever role Tinkle wants him to fulfill any given game (Ditto Steward).
(3) He does not bitch about having to fight off screens all night in sticking with his man.
(4) He plays with passion, smarts, and no fear.
(5) He contributes on the boards and is next to never out of position defensively.
(6) He sets up the offense well. I do wish he could penetrate better though.
(7) He very seldom turns the ball over
(8) He does not panick, and his FT shooting is needed down the stretch.
(9) The intangibles he brings keeps Will Cherry fresher for open court gambles and allows Cherry more energy to take a game over for a few stretches every game.
(10) Tinkle believes in using an intangible's player every year.
For those not liking his playing time. I suggest you figure out a way for Autry, Wood, and Adams step up their games. Neither of those guys are confident setting up an offense. I honestly believe that is the exact reason a talented Vaughn Autry is not seeing the playing time we would like to see.
scottsgriz
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'68griz said:
If all of our best five players are completely healthy, replacing Stockton (career 9-34, 26% from 3) with Jamar (career 21-56, 37.5% from 3) certainly seems like it would fit the definition of a solution to improve our outside shooting.
When you factor in far superior rebound numbers (Jamar career 96, Stockton career 74) and slightly better career assist/turnover numbers (Jamar 32 assists against 23 turnovers, 1.4 ratio; Stockton 57 assists against 48 turnovers, 1.2 ratio) and it is hard to see the downside. Kareem does little things that don't show up on the stat sheet too. He just combines it with better stats to go along with it.
Stockton is tough, gritty, and steady. Those qualities have been and will continue to be huge for this team for depth and anytime injuries or foul trouble occur. It is hard to justify starting him with Kareem on the bench though.
Why does Stockton play? One word: Defense.
And in case you haven't noticed, the way this team wins is with defense. Coincidence? Me thinks not.
And in case you haven't noticed, the way this team wins is with defense. Coincidence? Me thinks not.
BelierPeaux
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I don't suppose they keep the +/- state for the Griz at all, do they? It would be interesting to see how the players rank when you look at that stat.
scottsgriz
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dub-foncy said:
I agree with that statement. Especially when will is in and Stockton is playing 2 guard. Kareem's D would be just as good and he already does everything else better.
When Cherry is out, Stockton pretty much has to play point though until someone steps up. Good thing Cherry averages 34 minutes.
scottsgriz said:
Hmmm, the coaching staff seems to disagree. I'll side with them on this one.
