Message to all Griz donors withholding their donations

[SoCal Surfer]

PlayerRep,

IMHO, Growler 1 or any contributor to UM has the right to withhold his/her donation for any reason unless it is contractually committed. I also believe they also have the right to demand information for the actions of the UM in major situations. Whether these contributors get their concerns answered by the UM is a different story. It is then up to the contributor to decide. That is where we are today.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Wow, just when I thought G1 could not hit a lower low, he has. Telling people how to spend "their" money? That is taking it a little to far.

 

[cclarkblues]

Well I for one am glad that there are people willing to judge others by what they choose to do with their own money, just like I am glad there are folks in Washington willing to spend other peoples' money, whether it exists or not.

 

[granitegriz]

AZ---Isn't UM still a public university run and funded by state tax dollars from state tax payers? If so, then Jack King has a constitutional right know under the Montana Constitution, not the AZ Constitution.

 

[MrTitleist]

We don't have the right to know HR matters whether the institution is public or private. Until this HR matter is settled, it's not really anyone's business or it could very well cost the tax payers a whole lot more money. :twocents:

 

[AZGrizFan]

AZ---Isn't UM still a public university run and funded by state tax dollars from state tax payers? If so, then Jack King has a constitutional right know under the Montana Constitution, not the AZ Constitution.

Oh, please. If the sherriff fires a deputy, do you have the right to know why? If the Montana Dept of Transportation fires a roadworker, do you have a right to know why? He may feel he's entitled to know, but he's wrong. Engstrom would only compound the issue by saying anything more. No matter WHAT reason he'd given, there'd still be a significant camp that disagreed with the decision. Him explaining his reasoning and opening himself and the university up to lawsuits wouldn't change that.

 

[Grizbacker1]

I am writing to the few Griz donors who have decided to take their ball and go home, because life did not treat them fairly, and it is someone elses fault!

You are not, nor ever were true Griz fans. You are fans whose reason for donating was to bolster your own agenda, create bragging rights about how much you gave, and jump on a bandwagon that is one of the biggest things happening in the State of Montana. You were probably late to jump on, and will be the first to jump off.

Just understand that nobody will miss you, or your money. This program is much bigger than all of you combined. It will continue to flourish and grow, but without your kind. If you really believed that your money could buy you any rights as to decisions made in the interest of the University of Montana, you were wrong!

So, please find other ways to spend your autumn Saturday afternoons, as the rest of Griz Nation continues to celebrate Griz football, and support the many great kids who don the maroon.

As a university president stated, so many years ago, "the university, it shall prosper".

We can hardly wait for your wife to announce another $100 check to the alumni office. we all know you have never given more than that Shorty. now run along old man :loser:

I'm sick of your hi-jacking every thread of mine. Just for the record, to shut this moron up, I have NEVER donated to Grizzly athletics except for $200 to GAA two years ago. However, I have donated a Missoula apartment building to UM, under a Charitable Remainder Trust, worth about 1.4 million dollars. Is that good enough for you Jizzpacker? Why don't you match my donation? Of, I forgot, you have never made that much in pathetic life!

Mod Edit: Personal attack, stop it.

 

[granitegriz]

You are back to posting at a low level again...judgeAZ. Comparing a deputy to UM's Athletic Director continually in the public eye and media....not so similar.

 

[Grizbeer]

On the bright side if enough of these donors withhold their contributions then UM can return the lower east side of Dahlberg to the students.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You are back to posting at a low level again...judgeAZ. Comparing a deputy to UM's Athletic Director continually in the public eye and media....not so similar.

Why? They're both funded with taxpayer dollars. Using his logic, they're exactly the same thing. And in NEITHER case are we entitled to know anything HR-related.

 

[Ashamed]

On the bright side if enough of these donors withhold their contributions then UM can return the lower east side of Dahlberg to the students.

:lol:

 

[granitegriz]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_laws_of_the_United_States" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (first paragraph--good summary)

 

[argh!]

i' still waiting for that beer, grannygriz!

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

So Dill, I take it you've never been part of the business world. If I insulted customers I had, who for some reason said they were not going to be giving me their business, I wouldn't have lasted 6 weeks in my career. In many cases former customers find a way to come back. Maybe a little time needs to pass, maybe they feel differently after thinking things over or perhaps they get new information that changes their mind. This is like Bus. 101. I can tell you that posting some seemingly heartfelt but lame insults never works. And don't give me the bullshit that we don't want these donors back anyway...of course we do.

This. We need their donations. Hopefully, the program will be in a place where they feel comfortable in giving again. As far as bandwagon fans, our program wouldn't be where it is today without funds and support from people who weren't "born" Griz fans or who aren't alumni of the school. It takes a lot of green to run an Athletic Department and you need a solid stream of private donations to make it all work.

 

[granitegriz]

Argh, sounds like it needs to go AZ's way.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Argh, sounds like it needs to go AZ's way.

I'm always up for free beer. I'll PM you my address.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Jack King was mentioned in a Beacon article posted last week. See below. He played for the Griz, and I believe his son did too. He has been a good donor. A number of donors have concerns similar to Mr. King. Supporters like him are critical to UM athletics. I support Mr. King.

"Jack King, a Kalispell native and UM alumnus who played football for the Griz between 1948-50, has been a season ticket holder for Griz football games for over 25 years. King has donated more than $100,000 to the school, qualifying him as a member of the Benefactors Society, a title reserved for UM’s most significant supporters.

King’s support is on hold until he hears an explanation for the sudden upheaval.

“I haven’t bought my football tickets this year and I’m not going to until they bring this out and get it
straightened out,” he said, adding, “I’m unhappy about it. I don’t really know any facts (surrounding the firings). The university has covered that up.”

Jack King has no right to expect to be told "the facts" just because he donates money.

Jack King has every right to withhold his donations until he is comfortable donating, including receiving requested information.

He has every right to withhold his donation. He has no right to demand information. Engstrom doesn't report to him. Can't stand boosters who think that because they open their wallet they're "entitled" to something.

Well that's how it works everywhere else. I don't know what world you live in or what college football programs you follow but this is unprecedented. Could you imagine if an SEC school or PAC 12 school fired their Coach and gave no reasons and didnt even have a press conference? I can't

 

[br fan]

You are back to posting at a low level again...judgeAZ. Comparing a deputy to UM's Athletic Director continually in the public eye and media....not so similar.

Why? They're both funded with taxpayer dollars. Using his logic, they're exactly the same thing. And in NEITHER case are we entitled to know anything HR-related.

AZGriz might want to rethink his response on this. A Judge in Ravalli County recently determined the public had the right to know with regard to the firing of a deputy county attorney last summer, and Lake County recently had a lawsuit filed against it and a legislative hearing is scheduled in Helena for next week with reagard to HR actions (both taken and not taken) by the Sherriff of Lake County.

Any governmental official's discretion in his actions only goes so far, and there's a lot of people out there who feel pretty strongly that Engstrom abused his. I've had one person analogize the current situation to UM firing Hannon in the early 70s hoping the problems would go away, only to have it blow up, 6 UM officials getting indicted including Swarthout, UM football taking a dozen years to recover, and a general consensus by some people that Hannon should never have been fired in the first place.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Well that's how it works everywhere else. I don't know what world you live in or what college football programs you follow but this is unprecedented. Could you imagine if an SEC school or PAC 12 school fired their Coach and gave no reasons and didnt even have a press conference? I can't

Really? Joe Paterno got fired and Sandusky still hasn't been found guilty. Not so unprecedented.

Don't you think it might be possible that the landscape (and apetite for bad press) has changed just SLIGHTLY in the collegiate sports world in the past 12 months?

 

[putter]

You are back to posting at a low level again...judgeAZ. Comparing a deputy to UM's Athletic Director continually in the public eye and media....not so similar.

Why? They're both funded with taxpayer dollars. Using his logic, they're exactly the same thing. And in NEITHER case are we entitled to know anything HR-related.

AZGriz might want to rethink his response on this. A Judge in Ravalli County recently determined the public had the right to know with regard to the firing of a deputy county attorney last summer, and Lake County recently had a lawsuit filed against it and a legislative hearing is scheduled in Helena for next week with reagard to HR actions (both taken and not taken) by the Sherriff of Lake County.

Any governmental official's discretion in his actions only goes so far, and there's a lot of people out there who feel pretty strongly that Engstrom abused his. I've had one person analogize the current situation to UM firing Hannon in the early 70s hoping the problems would go away, only to have it blow up, 6 UM officials getting indicted including Swarthout, UM football taking a dozen years to recover, and a general consensus by some people that Hannon should never have been fired in the first place.

Engstrom said the school needed a change in leadership. I wonder if, with both retaining counsel, Engstrom was advised to keep a tight lip until any legal proceeding was completed?