McGhee out til October

[AllWeatherFan]

Ash said last night on the news that DM was out indefinitly, "for 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 weeks?" That his return is a "moving target".

This says to me that McGhee has a serious shoulder separation, but, if Ash was being fairly truthful, the ligaments connecting the A-C joint are not torn so much that they need to be repaired with surgery. I have probably had about a half dozen separations on each shoulder.

It's a ligament injury, that ranges from minor stretching to major stretching to partial to complete tears--from strain to sprain to bad sprain to tear. The A-C joint is not really a joint, but it's held together mainly with ligaments.

A minor separation, a strain or minor sprain, takes 2 or 3 or so weeks to heal. A bad separation, but not a tear, takes about 6 weeks. McGhee won't be able to lift his arm quickly, or much, for awhile. He may not be able to lift it fast for multiple weeks. It won't feel good to raise the arm and move it backwards.

Even as it gets closer to healing, he won't be able to throw the ball with any zip, even if he can throw it softly. Again, the worst pain is raising the arm and moving it backwards, which is a large part of the throwing motion.

Even when it is close to being healed, or when he first gets cleared to play, he probably won't feel like running for a tough first down. Being sacked won't feel good either, and having the shoulder driven into the ground or someone falling on his shoulders could cause reinjury.

Until it's healed, there is greater risk to reinjury and even tearing it, so he'll probably need to be careful about coming back too soon. I wasn't a qb, but I would think it would be hard to throw hard without some pain before it is fully healed. If there's pain throwing, the ball probably won't be as accurate or have consistently good zip.

By saying it could be 7 weeks tells me that it isn't a minor separation, and it is unlikely that he'll be back in 3 weeks. He will lose alot of strength in the shoulder and arm while the shoulder heals. Strong and muscular shoulders reduce the chances of separations, generally.

The good news is that separations tend to get and feel better every few days, and maybe this one will heal faster than they probably suspect at this time. I don't think there's any way to support or brace them effectively, certainly not for a qb.

A law degree and a medical degree? Every day I am more impressed! :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

Ash said last night on the news that DM was out indefinitly, "for 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 weeks?" That his return is a "moving target".

This says to me that McGhee has a serious shoulder separation, but, if Ash was being fairly truthful, the ligaments connecting the A-C joint are not torn so much that they need to be repaired with surgery. I have probably had about a half dozen separations on each shoulder.

It's a ligament injury, that ranges from minor stretching to major stretching to partial to complete tears--from strain to sprain to bad sprain to tear. The A-C joint is not really a joint, but it's held together mainly with ligaments.

A minor separation, a strain or minor sprain, takes 2 or 3 or so weeks to heal. A bad separation, but not a tear, takes about 6 weeks. McGhee won't be able to lift his arm quickly, or much, for awhile. He may not be able to lift it fast for multiple weeks. It won't feel good to raise the arm and move it backwards.

Even as it gets closer to healing, he won't be able to throw the ball with any zip, even if he can throw it softly. Again, the worst pain is raising the arm and moving it backwards, which is a large part of the throwing motion.

Even when it is close to being healed, or when he first gets cleared to play, he probably won't feel like running for a tough first down. Being sacked won't feel good either, and having the shoulder driven into the ground or someone falling on his shoulders could cause reinjury.

Until it's healed, there is greater risk to reinjury and even tearing it, so he'll probably need to be careful about coming back too soon. I wasn't a qb, but I would think it would be hard to throw hard without some pain before it is fully healed. If there's pain throwing, the ball probably won't be as accurate or have consistently good zip.

By saying it could be 7 weeks tells me that it isn't a minor separation, and it is unlikely that he'll be back in 3 weeks. He will lose alot of strength in the shoulder and arm while the shoulder heals. Strong and muscular shoulders reduce the chances of separations, generally.

The good news is that separations tend to get and feel better every few days, and maybe this one will heal faster than they probably suspect at this time. I don't think there's any way to support or brace them effectively, certainly not for a qb.

A law degree and a medical degree? Every day I am more impressed! :thumb:

Wow, that's really funny coming from the amateur comedian.

 

[grizatwork]

The AC joint is a joint. All joints are connected by ligaments. The problem with a separated shoulder is that once it is separated, it is more likely to happen again. Being the throwing arm makes it more complicated. The shoulder is made for mobility and not stability. Throwing motions create high torque at the joint and that is difficult on a hypermobile joint that has been previously separated.

That being said, they are definitely in better hands with Bleskin than we were last year without JJ. I think we would have won a few more games last year if Bleskin were our quarterback. I think Alpha is right. Be careful what you wish for. Bleskin could actually improve their passing game. The one thing they will miss is DM's intangibles. He has an it factor that you either have or you don't. Griz fans can say what they want to about him, but if were a griz, we would be singing his praises.

 

[PlayerRep]

The AC joint is a joint. All joints are connected by ligaments. The problem with a separated shoulder is that once it is separated, it is more likely to happen again. Being the throwing arm makes it more complicated. The shoulder is made for mobility and not stability. Throwing motions create high torque at the joint and that is difficult on a hypermobile joint that has been previously separated.

That being said, they are definitely in better hands with Bleskin than we were last year without JJ. I think we would have won a few more games last year if Bleskin were our quarterback. I think Alpha is right. Be careful what you wish for. Bleskin could actually improve their passing game. The one thing they will miss is DM's intangibles. He has an it factor that you either have or you don't. Griz fans can say what they want to about him, but if were a griz, we would be singing his praises.

Yes, the AC joint is a joint, but it is not a ball and socket joint, which is what most people think of as a joint. It is essentially two bones held together by ligaments.

I for one am not worried about the be-careful-what-you-wish-for argument. The Cats will not be nearly as good of a team without McGhee. I find it odd that so many Griz on this site are acting like Cats, and making arguments like that.

 

[aCatsFan]

From a 2009 Article : "The Rustlers will start junior Jake Bleskin at quarterback, and coach Jack Johnson says the youngster reminds him of Dave Dickenson, which is high praise coming from the veteran coach"

I haven't seen Jake Bleskin play before but I have seen him throwing when I took my son to Bobcat Football camp. He was launching balls into the top row of the stadium seats from mid field just messing around. Hopefully he can have some success and stay healthy until McGhee returns.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

From a 2009 Article : "The Rustlers will start junior Jake Bleskin at quarterback, and coach Jack Johnson says the youngster reminds him of Dave Dickenson, which is high praise coming from the veteran coach"

I haven't seen Jake Bleskin play before but I have seen him throwing when I took my son to Bobcat Football camp. He was launching balls into the top row of the stadium seats from mid field just messing around. Hopefully he can have some success and stay healthy until McGhee returns.

Wow! That is impressive to say the least. Reminds me of a young prospect I saw once at CU-Boulder.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox27e5q9fbI[/youtube]

 

[Catsrback76]

What I see is the cats really under estimating McGhee's impact while in a football game. He is pretty good. Heck on bcn they are saying Bleskin is Dickenson like :shock: He's a backup qb without any live game experience. He won't have any for two weeks. We'll see but this was a very unfortunate injury.

Agree nzone, you never know until a player plays in a real game. The coaches think he is well prepared and should do well. We will see how good he is on Saturday. I would no way describe Bleskin as Dickenson like. That has to be a joke. Nobody has filled Dickensons shoes by a long shot since he graduated. He is one of the all-time greats.

Only JJ beats out Dickenson as the best QB in griz history!

Zone...nobody in BCN is downplaying the real impact of losing DeNarius, that's not even a discussion point! All anyone is saying, including myself is that Jake Bleskin earned the backup job on the 3rd ranked team in the FCS, he will be fine!


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[rimrockgriz]

What I see is the cats really under estimating McGhee's impact while in a football game. He is pretty good. Heck on bcn they are saying Bleskin is Dickenson like :shock: He's a backup qb without any live game experience. He won't have any for two weeks. We'll see but this was a very unfortunate injury.

Agree nzone, you never know until a player plays in a real game. The coaches think he is well prepared and should do well. We will see how good he is on Saturday. I would no way describe Bleskin as Dickenson like. That has to be a joke. Nobody has filled Dickensons shoes by a long shot since he graduated. He is one of the all-time greats.

Only JJ beats out Dickenson as the best QB in griz history!

Zone...nobody in BCN is downplaying the real impact of losing DeNarius, that's not even a discussion point! All anyone is saying, including myself is that Jake Bleskin earned the backup job on the 3rd ranked team in the FCS, he will be fine!


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the #2 q.b. isn't named "Lulay" I'm good with it. Throw around the ranking while you can. You are now nationally ARROWED down. :egriz:

 

[Robsnotes4u]

mcghee hurt his team by taking that huge sack on his team's final drive. you just have to get rid of the ball in that sitaution, especially when a field goal would have won the game.

mcghee hurt us by performing so well in dallas, a hot recruiting area for rob ash. the cats looked to be more the upper division team than s.m.u., and i'm sure the future recruits from that area took note. recruiting texas is really the way ash got the cats competitive with us again.

finally, mcghee himself got hurt. several here are saddened by this, and i'm one. griz-cats, i'm all griz, but cats against any out of state team, and i'm for the team with "montana" on their jersies.

The cats actually helped us by losing in dallas. SMU has no respect around college football, including in Texas. Case in point:

On todays ESPN show called "College Football Featured", Penn State Junior linebacker Mike Hull said, "When everything went down (post season bowl ban for 4 years) everyone just thought we were down and out. They thought we were going to be, you know, gonna be like an SMU kind of." But Penn State had a good 8-4 instead.

Lol. That is a reference of what happened to SMU after the death penalty they received in 1986 from the NCAA, nothing more. Good try.


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[UMGriz75]

Zone...nobody in BCN is downplaying the real impact of losing DeNarius, that's not even a discussion point! All anyone is saying, including myself is that Jake Bleskin earned the backup job on the 3rd ranked team in the FCS, he will be fine!

He carried 11 yards last year. From reading BN, it's kind of an odd realization that so many fans are completely disassociating from this, as though Bleskin and the 3rd alternative are "just as good."

From some of the comments a stranger to the conversation could almost conclude, from some Cat fans, that this is a good thing. It's bizarre to read that stuff.

Shoulder separations are common in my sport. I've had three. I've had probably twenty athletes that have had them over the past 20 years. The last one I had still bothers me eight years later. It's the injury that has the most problematic recovery. It may be just a few weeks; it may be months. On the other hand, its possible to play without a full recovery, it just hurts like h***. That's how my last one turned out.

 

[nzone]

One of the reasons the cats are ranked so high is because of McGhee.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Greg Rachac ‏@CatGrizInsider 3m
Montana State WR Tanner Roderick is out six weeks with a hand injury, the university has announced

Uh-oh

Sweet Jesus...they're dropping like flies. :| :| :|

It doesn't matter, it wont affect them, haven't ya heard the Bobcats have depth for days. Heard they were changing their name to the Montana State Depthcats, shit we wont even notice these guys aren't out on the field. :lol:

 

[NLGrizFan]

Greg Rachac ‏@CatGrizInsider 3m
Montana State WR Tanner Roderick is out six weeks with a hand injury, the university has announced

Uh-oh

Sweet Jesus...they're dropping like flies. :| :| :|

It doesn't matter, it wont affect them, haven't ya heard the Bobcats have depth for days. Heard they were changing their name to the Montana State Depthcats, shit we wont even notice these guys aren't out on the field. :lol:

:lol: Exactly. I will admit that I was kinda impressed with the way their LBs were able to cover SMU's WRs even tho it failed. They hung with them throughout the game. But when you start losing guys that can move the ball, you're in trouble. Perfect example: the 2011 Indianapolis Colts Vs the 2010 Colts. They lost a few guys on D and then Reggie Wayne AnD Peyton Manning and I think they won 4 or 5 games. The cats have a very easy schedule this season. Besides a couple conference games, they're lookin at a 2012 repeat. I mean Monmouth? Then SMU? From what I understand, SMU sucks especially at FBS standards.

 

[PlayerRep]

Greg Rachac ‏@CatGrizInsider 3m
Montana State WR Tanner Roderick is out six weeks with a hand injury, the university has announced

Uh-oh

Sweet Jesus...they're dropping like flies. :| :| :|

It doesn't matter, it wont affect them, haven't ya heard the Bobcats have depth for days. Heard they were changing their name to the Montana State Depthcats, shit we wont even notice these guys aren't out on the field. :lol:

If you believe some Cat posters, the Cats are so deep and prepared that they have multiple back up conference MVP's and Payton watch list players lined up to take over for McGhee and anyone else who gets hurt. They won't miss a beat. No one will miss McGhee. The CMR coach once said Bleskin reminded him of DD. Further proof that the Cats have a conference MVP and Payton award winner ready to take over. The evidence to support this is so strong that even some Griz posters are helping spread the word to Griz nation. Someone should start a roll call thread to have all UM egriz posters go on record agreeing that the Cats will not miss a beat, and UM should be careful what it wishes for.

 

[Catsrback76]

One of the reasons the cats are ranked so high is because of McGhee.

Exactly and Bleskin is #2 behind an honorable mention NFL prospect. That's the point, if he was number 2 behind some no name QB that would be telling. But, he sits only because of who he follows. I don't care about the ranking as it only counts at the end of the season. I do think Bleskin will be fine, even though the Cats have taken a big hit. Who knows, we might win a few games even!


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[AZGrizFan]

One of the reasons the cats are ranked so high is because of McGhee.

Exactly and Bleskin is #2 behind an honorable mention NFL prospect. That's the point, if he was number 2 behind some no name QB that would be telling. But, he sits only because of who he follows. I don't care about the ranking as it only counts at the end of the season. I do think Bleskin will be fine, even though the Cats have taken a big hit. Who knows, we might win a few games even!


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I'm going to predict 2-2 over the next 4, putting you 3-3 going into your bye week. Then you'll beat Weber, UCDavis & UNC, before finishing off the season with 3 straight losses. 6-6...that's the impact of losing an "honorable mention NFL prospect" and replacing him with a RS Fr who's thrown a total of 8 passes in college.

 

[ilovethecats]

Then you'll beat Weber, UCDavis & UNC, before finishing off the season with 3 straight losses. 6-6.

I've noticed no one ever accepts these bets but i'll gladly bet you on this prediction.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Then you'll beat Weber, UCDavis & UNC, before finishing off the season with 3 straight losses. 6-6.

I've noticed no one ever accepts these bets but i'll gladly bet you on this prediction.

What's YOUR prediction, given the sequence of events over the past 3 weeks?

 

[ilovethecats]

Then you'll beat Weber, UCDavis & UNC, before finishing off the season with 3 straight losses. 6-6.

I've noticed no one ever accepts these bets but i'll gladly bet you on this prediction.

What's YOUR prediction, given the sequence of events over the past 3 weeks?

MY prediction is we win more than 6 games. i'd be happy to be 100 bucks on that if you're so inclined.

 

[PlayerRep]

Then you'll beat Weber, UCDavis & UNC, before finishing off the season with 3 straight losses. 6-6.

I've noticed no one ever accepts these bets but i'll gladly bet you on this prediction.

How do you feel about 8-4, if no McGhee for rest of season? I'm not suggesting a bet.