McGhee out til October

[IntuitiveGriz]

mcghee hurt his team by taking that huge sack on his team's final drive. you just have to get rid of the ball in that sitaution, especially when a field goal would have won the game.

mcghee hurt us by performing so well in dallas, a hot recruiting area for rob ash. the cats looked to be more the upper division team than s.m.u., and i'm sure the future recruits from that area took note. recruiting texas is really the way ash got the cats competitive with us again.

finally, mcghee himself got hurt. several here are saddened by this, and i'm one. griz-cats, i'm all griz, but cats against any out of state team, and i'm for the team with "montana" on their jersies.

The cats actually helped us by losing in dallas. SMU has no respect around college football, including in Texas. Case in point:

On todays ESPN show called "College Football Featured", Penn State Junior linebacker Mike Hull said, "When everything went down (post season bowl ban for 4 years) everyone just thought we were down and out. They thought we were going to be, you know, gonna be like an SMU kind of." But Penn State had a good 8-4 instead.

 

[Gallatin Griz]

Has a CMR grad ever started for the cats at QB before? Just curious.

I can think of one decent CMR QB that played for the Griz back in the day.

 

[OldtiredGRiz]

Injuries are a part of football, but that doesn't mean that they don't suck -- they do. I hate to see a player for any team miss time because of an injury. It's just my opinion, but I think the upcoming opponent is a good one for MSU to break in Bleskin as the starter. The Bobcats are superior to Colorado Mesa in every position and should be able to control the game, which will give Bleskin reps and confidence.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

They were just blowing smoke at you. Injuries playing against bigger, faster and better teams increase the chance of injury. Of course, injuries can happen anytime in football, but the chances are greater in play-up games.

That is incorrect. Ask Delaney, or any other FCS coach. Or better yet, post some data to back up your claim.

My view comes from personal experience and observation as well as discussions with multiple Griz and other coaches and 2 UM AD's over the years. While everyone doesn't necessarily agree, it is common sense. If you play more games against bigger, stronger, faster and better players, you are more likely to be injured. They will run you over. They will catch you from behind. And they will catch you on the sideline and hit you hard, just like they caught and hit McGhee. Sure, you can get hurt playing against weaker teams and players, or walking down the street, but you are more likely to be hurt playing against better competition. Do you think an FCS wouldn't sustain more injuries playing in the NFL?

Why do you think little kids tackle football has rules relating to weight, such as backs can't be over a certain weight--or why do they have weight divisions?

Do you think MSU and UM could play in the SEC without suffering more injuries?

Player Rep. I disagree. I think it is common sense that when you play down you are playing against athletes that make more mistakes and lack proper technique that can lead to more opportunity for injuries. When you play up, these guys know how to play the game right. There is also not a lot of weight difference anymore between FBS and FCS. However as we both said injuries can happen in any game no matter what the level. The hit on McGhee was a clean hit yet he was injured. Would be interested to see stats on injuries on teams that play up vs. play down. I guess it may be something to take note of when your watching teams playing up or down. Interesting!

It's been common knowledge since the beginning of time that playing bigger, faster, stronger teams will more often than not result in injuries for the smaller, slower, weaker teams...because they kick your ass! Football is a physical game, survival of the fittest.

 

[grizcountry420]

Greg Rachac ‏@CatGrizInsider 3m
Montana State WR Tanner Roderick is out six weeks with a hand injury, the university has announced

Uh-oh

Sweet Jesus...they're dropping like flies. :| :| :|

First their LBs then their QB (of all players to go down) now their playmaking receiver? Is it ever gonna end? I wonder if this was caused from playing up? And if NDSU woulda caused the same problems?

I wouldnt call him a playmaker. Bleskin though, he can make some plays..

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

That is incorrect. Ask Delaney, or any other FCS coach. Or better yet, post some data to back up your claim.

My view comes from personal experience and observation as well as discussions with multiple Griz and other coaches and 2 UM AD's over the years. While everyone doesn't necessarily agree, it is common sense. If you play more games against bigger, stronger, faster and better players, you are more likely to be injured. They will run you over. They will catch you from behind. And they will catch you on the sideline and hit you hard, just like they caught and hit McGhee. Sure, you can get hurt playing against weaker teams and players, or walking down the street, but you are more likely to be hurt playing against better competition. Do you think an FCS wouldn't sustain more injuries playing in the NFL?

Why do you think little kids tackle football has rules relating to weight, such as backs can't be over a certain weight--or why do they have weight divisions?

Do you think MSU and UM could play in the SEC without suffering more injuries?

Player Rep. I disagree. I think it is common sense that when you play down you are playing against athletes that make more mistakes and lack proper technique that can lead to more opportunity for injuries. When you play up, these guys know how to play the game right. There is also not a lot of weight difference anymore between FBS and FCS. However as we both said injuries can happen in any game no matter what the level. The hit on McGhee was a clean hit yet he was injured. Would be interested to see stats on injuries on teams that play up vs. play down. I guess it may be something to take note of when your watching teams playing up or down. Interesting!

I agree with Bigsky33 on this. If I got tackled by Jadeveon Clowney, I would stand less of a chance to get injured than if my 4-year old nephew tackled me. Clowney knows how to hit the right way, whereas my nephew is less skilled, and his technique is pure shit. He's a knee-blowing machine.

 

[garizzalies]

So with their kicker hurt and now Roderick out, who is going to handle their PATs? Please tell me they're not gonna put Bleskin in that goofy formation.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

So with their kicker hurt and now Roderick out, who is going to handle their PATs? Please tell me they're not gonna put Bleskin in that goofy formation.

Perez (kicker) is expected to play.

He got the shit kicked out of him (concussion) by a bigger, faster, and stronger player on the punt return for a touchdown.

By the way, after Perez was injured during the smu game, msu went for two, they didn't attempt a PAT.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Greg Rachac ‏@CatGrizInsider 3m
Montana State WR Tanner Roderick is out six weeks with a hand injury, the university has announced

He has made circus catch after circus catch in practice, THAT HURTS msu.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

To address the whole playing up, playing down debate:

As a high school coach:
1. You don't want to lose players ever.
2. You don't want to lose a player in a game against an inferior opponent as much as you don't want to lose a player against a superior opponent.
3. More than anything else, you don't want to lose a player in a game that doesn't count. Conference games carry more weight than non conference games.

I don't think it changes much at the college level. A lot of programs are not so deep to handle the loss of a star playing like McGhee. Regardless of whatever coaches may or may not being saying, this would be Ash's worst nightmare. Losing your quarterback, your heart and soul of your program, is not quantifiable. Prukop and Bleskin are talented QB's, they should be or they wouldn't be there, but you aren't just replacing statistics.

Now, MSU is behind the 8 ball, because regardless of what quarterback takes the helm, Bleskin or Prukop, is going to have one heck of a steep learning curve over the next weeks. Heck either of those guys might be the second coming of McGhee and MSU may never miss his statistical presence. I would measure a guess is that MSU is going to struggle, because few players can step on the field in the college game as a quarterback and not experience the difficulties of playing that position.

The season's outcome, albeit a bit mature, may be cast for MSU by a last ditch hope to win a game that didn't matter. I am not criticizing Ash cause I would have done the same, to try to seal a victory but at the same time one cannot begin to fathom the enormity of that attempt on MSU's fate as well as the rest of the BSC's fate for the remainder of the season.

Best of luck the McGhee in his rehab. I do hope he returns healthy as soon as he can.

The Griz found that out last year.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Has a CMR grad ever started for the cats at QB before? Just curious.

The only player that I can recall that started as QB for the MSU Bobcats out of Great Falls was a Rob Compson; but he was out of Great Falls Public (Bison), if not mistaken.

 

[Chester Cheetah]

So with their kicker hurt and now Roderick out, who is going to handle their PATs? Please tell me they're not gonna put Bleskin in that goofy formation.

Perez is expected to be back on Saturday, Griebel (AF transfer, former QB, WR) will handle holding duties.

 

[Chester Cheetah]

So with their kicker hurt and now Roderick out, who is going to handle their PATs? Please tell me they're not gonna put Bleskin in that goofy formation.

Perez (kicker) is expected to play.

He got the shit kicked out of him (concussion) by a bigger, faster, and stronger player on the punt return for a touchdown.

By the way, after Perez was injured during the smu game, msu went for two, they didn't attempt a PAT.

the PAT was attempted and was successfull for 2 pts, it had more to do with the score and the way the defense set up against the formation than any confidence on Boltons PAT ability

 

[NLGrizFan]

Uh-oh

Sweet Jesus...they're dropping like flies. :| :| :|

First their LBs then their QB (of all players to go down) now their playmaking receiver? Is it ever gonna end? I wonder if this was caused from playing up? And if NDSU woulda caused the same problems?

I wouldnt call him a playmaker. Bleskin though, he can make some plays..

Oh. It just seems that the announcers were always saying Tanner Bleskin this Tanner Bleskin that. I wasn't payin much attention tho...

 

[stubbins]

Bleskin may turn out to be the second coming....but there is no way in hell, over the full season he will replace DM. Leadership and the pulling of shit out of his ass...taint gonna happen. scats will still be favored in most games because of the team, but you will never convince me that behind all this bravado by scat fans, comments that he is the smartest qb ever and is a better passer and as good a runner and is an inch taller, is nothing other than hoping for the best.

also, sucks for dm. hate him on the field and his team, but he seems like a good kid and wish him the best.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I hope MgGhee gets well soon.

Growler was right about McGhee. Too bad it took 3 plus years for his prediction to finally happen. I can see his "I told you so" posts. Please do not subject us to that , and may he not return.

 

[George Ferguson]

I was just shocked watching McGhee get hurt. My wife was in the other room, and she asked me if the Cats lost and I was like, yes and I think McGhee just got hurt on the last play. I could just tell something went seriously wrong. Hate seeing it as I love DM, Bobcat or not.

And I may be alone in this thought process, but I'm gonna say he'll be back sooner than later. I just have this feeling the dude will return, and be just fine. Being that I'm not a Cat fan, I have no clue how Bleskin will fare, other than that he gets a good break-in game against Mesa. I'm sure he'll lead the Cats to an easy win, and if he struggles, the Cats should be able to run the ball with relative ease anyway. But other than that, no clue what to think of Bleskin, other than that Alpha says he's a baller cause he's a Rustler.

What's funny though (Not DM getting hurt funny), is that there was an MSU fan talking to me at halftime of the Griz-Cat game last season, and he boldly told me that "If the Cats had lost DM for a year like the GRiz did JJ, it would be an entirely different story because the Cats have a backup who is better than the starter." He didn't specify between Bleskin and Prukop and at the time, I just laughed. But not, IF DM is out for an extended period of time, say more than four games, that guy is going to get to find out if he was right.

 

[PlayerRep]

Ash said last night on the news that DM was out indefinitly, "for 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 weeks?" That his return is a "moving target".

This says to me that McGhee has a serious shoulder separation, but, if Ash was being fairly truthful, the ligaments connecting the A-C joint are not torn so much that they need to be repaired with surgery. I have probably had about a half dozen separations on each shoulder.

It's a ligament injury, that ranges from minor stretching to major stretching to partial to complete tears--from strain to sprain to bad sprain to tear. The A-C joint is not really a joint, but it's held together mainly with ligaments.

A minor separation, a strain or minor sprain, takes 2 or 3 or so weeks to heal. A bad separation, but not a tear, takes about 6 weeks. McGhee won't be able to lift his arm quickly, or much, for awhile. He may not be able to lift it fast for multiple weeks. It won't feel good to raise the arm and move it backwards.

Even as it gets closer to healing, he won't be able to throw the ball with any zip, even if he can throw it softly. Again, the worst pain is raising the arm and moving it backwards, which is a large part of the throwing motion.

Even when it is close to being healed, or when he first gets cleared to play, he probably won't feel like running for a tough first down. Being sacked won't feel good either, and having the shoulder driven into the ground or someone falling on his shoulders could cause reinjury.

Until it's healed, there is greater risk to reinjury and even tearing it, so he'll probably need to be careful about coming back too soon. I wasn't a qb, but I would think it would be hard to throw hard without some pain before it is fully healed. If there's pain throwing, the ball probably won't be as accurate or have consistently good zip.

By saying it could be 7 weeks tells me that it isn't a minor separation, and it is unlikely that he'll be back in 3 weeks. He will lose alot of strength in the shoulder and arm while the shoulder heals. Strong and muscular shoulders reduce the chances of separations, generally.

The good news is that separations tend to get and feel better every few days, and maybe this one will heal faster than they probably suspect at this time. I don't think there's any way to support or brace them effectively, certainly not for a qb.

 

[Bear Spray]

I was just shocked watching McGhee get hurt. My wife was in the other room, and she asked me if the Cats lost and I was like, yes and I think McGhee just got hurt on the last play. I could just tell something went seriously wrong. Hate seeing it as I love DM, Bobcat or not.

And I may be alone in this thought process, but I'm gonna say he'll be back sooner than later. I just have this feeling the dude will return, and be just fine. Being that I'm not a Cat fan, I have no clue how Bleskin will fare, other than that he gets a good break-in game against Mesa. I'm sure he'll lead the Cats to an easy win, and if he struggles, the Cats should be able to run the ball with relative ease anyway. But other than that, no clue what to think of Bleskin, other than that Alpha says he's a baller cause he's a Rustler.

What's funny though (Not DM getting hurt funny), is that there was an MSU fan talking to me at halftime of the Griz-Cat game last season, and he boldly told me that "If the Cats had lost DM for a year like the GRiz did JJ, it would be an entirely different story because the Cats have a backup who is better than the starter." He didn't specify between Bleskin and Prukop and at the time, I just laughed. But not, IF DM is out for an extended period of time, say more than four games, that guy is going to get to find out if he was right.

I've seen a ton of MSU practices the last 2 seasons. Bleskin appears to throw more accurately than DM, but is not a dual threat. The line is better for sure this year, and Cransey should know how best to use Bleskin's abilities. Hopefully they can hang in there and get healthy soon.

 

[NLGrizFan]

I was just shocked watching McGhee get hurt. My wife was in the other room, and she asked me if the Cats lost and I was like, yes and I think McGhee just got hurt on the last play. I could just tell something went seriously wrong. Hate seeing it as I love DM, Bobcat or not.

And I may be alone in this thought process, but I'm gonna say he'll be back sooner than later. I just have this feeling the dude will return, and be just fine. Being that I'm not a Cat fan, I have no clue how Bleskin will fare, other than that he gets a good break-in game against Mesa. I'm sure he'll lead the Cats to an easy win, and if he struggles, the Cats should be able to run the ball with relative ease anyway. But other than that, no clue what to think of Bleskin, other than that Alpha says he's a baller cause he's a Rustler.

What's funny though (Not DM getting hurt funny), is that there was an MSU fan talking to me at halftime of the Griz-Cat game last season, and he boldly told me that "If the Cats had lost DM for a year like the GRiz did JJ, it would be an entirely different story because the Cats have a backup who is better than the starter." He didn't specify between Bleskin and Prukop and at the time, I just laughed. But not, IF DM is out for an extended period of time, say more than four games, that guy is going to get to find out if he was right.

From the looks of it, it looks to me like a cupcake schedule. I think NAU is the only real challenge and that isn't til the 1st or 2nd week in October. I see a repeat of last season coming up for them...