Letter to the editor on dueling PW petitions

[Gaeilge1]

Did not get back on the site until this morning and noticed your challenge JBS. As soon as I do the research I will answer you. From a very cursory review of the records though it appears that Pat Williams sponsored more bills in Congress than Denny Rehberg did.

I don't know that as fact but I will find out.

 

[Kokanee]

BW, how am I supposed to argue if you use facts . It seems to me there have been a lot of other issues. Home invasion, assaults, pot growing etc. These people are thugs and I agree with PW that Mt should do their best not to recruit them. PW audience was wrong but his idea is right. I know you can’t predict how a recruit may turn out, but is there any sort of background check going on now? I am not sure how the recruit process works maybe they are doing due diligence in recruiting. Maybe they could do more.

Why would someone working for the university even use the word "thugs"? Why would that someone say UM "recruited thugs"? To me, that shows an agenda, as well as a lack of knowledge of the situation. That comment is getting repeated all over the media. It has also resulted in some female observers at trial referring to players in attendance as thugs, to their faces. "Here come the thugs."

One home invasion, yes. That was in 2007. It's now 2013. Assults (mainly just fights and punches), yes. Pot growing? Who did that, other than a former player from about 2004 who got charged for growing medical marijuana (which was legal under state law)? You really think that some who grows marijuana is a thug? Some who gets in a fight is a thug?

Point taken on Pat Williams.

A while back someone posted a list of Griz and ex Griz who had been arrested. Seemed like a lot to me. You can try and lessen the serverity of the offenses all you want, but they have still been arrested and by doing so tarnish the program. Are they all thugs? Of course not.

That list was completely inaccurate. Many of the people listed had done nothing wrong, many had never been arrested, some were listed based on rumor, multiple arrests/charges had been dropped or reduced, many of the issues were dui's or disorderly contacts, and some were former Griz long since departed from the program. The reason that Pat Williams comments are so harmful, is because many people, perhaps yourself included, don't bother to check or understand the facts.

That being said, everyone agrees that there has been too much bad behavior in the past 8 or so years. UM and all of its coaches have gone out of their way to recruit character and avoid taking anyone who could possibly be or become a thug. A few chances were taken, after serious checking, and most of those turned out okay. A few mistakes were made, judged in retrospect.

Got it.

 

[Sooo Bad]

Did not get back on the site until this morning and noticed your challenge JBS. As soon as I do the research I will answer you. From a very cursory review of the records though it appears that Pat Williams sponsored more bills in Congress than Denny Rehberg did. "

...and that is a "positive", how? That's a little like saying he is smarter than a stick.

 

[MsMaroon]

I saw a facebook comment from someone who was praising Pat Williams and his comments to the NYT: saying he admired him for calling "a spade a spade".

So from thugs to spades? :shock: That kind of took my breath away. Literally.

I can't speak to Williams intent, I don't know him. However, I am convinced that his ill-advised, suspiciously timed comments have caused additional harm to the university and outsiders' perceptions of the university.

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

I saw a facebook comment from someone who was praising Pat Williams and his comments to the NYT: saying he admired him for calling "a spade a spade".

So from thugs to spades? :shock: That kind of took my breath away. Literally.

I can't speak to Williams intent, I don't know him. However, I am convinced that his ill-advised, suspiciously timed comments have caused additional harm to the university and outsiders' perceptions of the university.

well said :thumb:

 

[Copper Griz]

Pat Williams is no better than the kids he referred to as "thugs". He is a hypocrite and I sincerely hope his arrogance will be his undoing. Anyone saying his remarks were not timed with the beginning of the trial is not only naive - they are ignorant. Justice. He shoud examine the word and it's definition. I have been a democrat my whole life and Mr. Williams behavior and comments make me sick. Not only did he make a broad generalization, but more importantly he used his position and title in an attempt to influence the outcome of a trial. Unforgivable and shameful. Justice. Look up the definition Mr. Williams and then look in the mirror. Justice was not served for the defendant or the school you supposedly represent. You are a bad man and any credibility you spent your life building - swirled down the drain. Makes me sick you are a democrat and your actions hurt the party. You make democrats look like an unreasonable lynch mob that does not believe in due process. Great job!!!

 

[zengriz]

...colt took care of williams...
...when he said he didn't know siht...
...mano y mano.. butte guy to butte guy...

... ...

 

[stubbins]

Pat Williams is no better than the kids he referred to as "thugs". He is a hypocrite and I sincerely hope his arrogance will be his undoing. Anyone saying his remarks were not timed with the beginning of the trial is not only naive - they are ignorant. Justice. He shoud examine the word and it's definition. I have been a democrat my whole life and Mr. Williams behavior and comments make me sick. Not only did he make a broad generalization, but more importantly he used his position and title in an attempt to influence the outcome of a trial. Unforgivable and shameful. Justice. Look up the definition Mr. Williams and then look in the mirror. Justice was not served for the defendant or the school you supposedly represent. You are a bad man and any credibility you spent your life building - swirled down the drain. Makes me sick you are a democrat and your actions hurt the party. You make democrats look like an unreasonable lynch mob that does not believe in due process. Great job!!!

Williams ain't the only one that makes the party look bad...betcha a penny that the following are some diehard leftists: pharmacy asst dean, sarc nurse, prosecutors, woman detective, journalists, people behind Facebook page that won't accept verdict...

Speaking of which, where is he outrage in Missoula over the releasing of the accusers name in the police sexual assault case? Double standard much? Fucking hypocrites in this judgemental, holier than though city.