Let's Get Real

[Eriul]

To tell you the truth, if I were betting money even if we had made it to overtime I would have bet CC pulls out the win. I'm still pissed off as all hell about the refs blowing it though and think they SHOULD apologize or be reprimanded for that f*ckup.

Now why do I think CC probably would have won the game? Well one big reason is we did not stop them or hold them to a field goal even once when they got inside the 30. TD, TD, TD, TD. They went 4-4 with 4 TDs inside the 30.

What did we do when we got inside the 30? TD, TD, Turnover on downs, Turnover on downs, TD, Turnover on downs, TD, INT. We went 4-8 with 4 TDs, and basically 4 turnovers when inside the 30. Not good.

So starting each drive at the 25 in overtime, with the fact that we struggled once we got down in that area I have to give the edge to CC. Our tendency to go for the home run ball instead of first downs when down there really hurt us and likely would have hurt us in OT too.

Still... f*** those refs.

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Good post

 

[AZGrizFan]

Really? So you honestly though a team that "any armchair qb knew was fatally flawed" would beat coastal Carolina by 20+ because of how bad they were?

Wow... So you thought coastal Carolina(10-2) was on the level of play as a weber, North Dakota, idaho state, etc.? Because by your analysis I would say you think the griz are god awful and if we beat someone by 20 they must be bad. Hmm and to think I got flamed prior to the game for telling people they're disrespecting ccu.

Uh...we beat Weber by 36, not 20. We be UND by 38, not 20. We beat PSU by 28...I looked at CCU as about the equivalent of PSU, but coming from a historically weak conference, with little/no playoff experience, cross country travel, and buying into the weather hype, being intimidated by Wa/Griz's reputation. With all that I figured even our fatally flawed team could still beat them handily. I was wrong. Why is that so hard for YOU to admit?

You thought a 10-2 team was on the level of psu. And actually just found it you predicted a 38-10 win for us. So a 28 point win. Hmm... I wonder what fan bases hate more a fan who points out ref errors or one who enormously disrespects their team. *yawn*

Please explain how I "enormously disrepect(ed)" the Griz? :roll: :roll:

And pointing out ref errors is one thing. Droning on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how those ref errors cost us the game is what makes people hate...

 

[Eriul]

Really? So you honestly though a team that "any armchair qb knew was fatally flawed" would beat coastal Carolina by 20+ because of how bad they were?

Wow... So you thought coastal Carolina(10-2) was on the level of play as a weber, North Dakota, idaho state, etc.? Because by your analysis I would say you think the griz are god awful and if we beat someone by 20 they must be bad. Hmm and to think I got flamed prior to the game for telling people they're disrespecting ccu.

Uh...we beat Weber by 36, not 20. We be UND by 38, not 20. We beat PSU by 28...I looked at CCU as about the equivalent of PSU, but coming from a historically weak conference, with little/no playoff experience, cross country travel, and buying into the weather hype, being intimidated by Wa/Griz's reputation. With all that I figured even our fatally flawed team could still beat them handily. I was wrong. Why is that so hard for YOU to admit?

You thought a 10-2 team was on the level of psu. And actually just found it you predicted a 38-10 win for us. So a 28 point win. Hmm... I wonder what fan bases hate more a fan who points out ref errors or one who enormously disrespects their team. *yawn*

Please explain how I "enormously disrepect(ed)" the Griz? :roll: :roll:

And pointing out ref errors is one thing. Droning on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how those ref errors cost us the game is what makes people hate...

I was referring to people who disrespect the fan bases team not their own.

NOT A SINGLE PERSON ON HERE said it cost us the game including myself. Seriously, you bitch about reading comprehension but I have stated at least 10 times that I dunno if we would have won but the game would have been a VERY different game. Seriously dude, did you go to school?

 

[George Ferguson]

Lots of interesting points in this thread.

1. AZ you made some good points right up until you said "If the Griz had won they wouldn't have deserved it." That's just a really unintelligent statement.

2. Coastal Carolina didn't take their foot off the gas. That statement has gotten as assanine on this board as "we havent played anybody this year". Alex Ross said as much in the post game presser. He said they called the game the exact same way in the first as they did the second, but just didn't execute in the second half.

3. Whoever said the Griz were a 7-5 team that JJ turned into a 10-3 is a moron. The Griz were a 10-3 team. The record says so. And I love Jordan Johnson, but A LOT of Griz players played better this season than they did last and or were new. The Griz didn't have Jamaal Jones, Jamal Wilson, Travon Van, Clay Pierson (for 90 percent of it), John Nyguen, or Jordan Harper last season, and every one of those guys was a major contributor on offense. Do I think the Griz would have went 10-3 without JJ??? of COURSE NOT. But stop discrediting what the rest of the team did to help get there.

4. AZ I full agree with this entire statement: "Those of you wanting an "official apology", or to "sue the NCAA", or demanding a petition to "replay the game" need to grow the f*** up....you're embarrassing Griz nation with that shit. The better team won, and THAT team is going to go into Fargo and get ass-pounded just like we would have had we pulled it out."

BUT, the same goes for anyone who thinks the head coach and his staff should be removed from the fourth-ranked team in the FCS after a 10-3 season is equally as embarrassing to Griz Nation.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

My take of watching this game from the NEZ? We were horribly out-coached. Leave aside the game planning and cold weather preparations. We had the better athletes on both sides of the ball. They had the better disciplined athletes on both sides of the ball. Their head coach did not let anyone on the field in defense who was not fundamentally sound in tackling. Our missed tackles could fill 3 highlight (or lowlight) reels. We burned at least one time out each half failing to get the play in and run on time. We didn't anticipate they wouldn't risk hand-offs on the last series and didn't play the quarterback keepers.

The turning point in the game was the 86 yard touchdown pass. Inexcusable. We hold them there and we go up 14-0 and demoralize them. Nothing else that happened on the playing field, even with the bad calls and non-calls, would have changed the outcome. Their team and coaches were sharply focused, and we were not, plain and simple. We had a good season but this team had so much unrealized potential. CCU will give NDSU a better game for all of these same reasons. And yeah, I don't expect this group of coaches to learn the lessons that are there to be learned.

 

[uofmman1122]

I'm just happy we're back to the point where 10-3 is a bitter disappointment. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[AZGrizFan]

I'm just happy we're back to the point where 10-3 is a bitter disappointment. :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :thumb: :clap:

 

[AZGrizFan]

NOT A SINGLE PERSON ON HERE said it cost us the game including myself. Seriously, you bitch about reading comprehension but I have stated at least 10 times that I dunno if we would have won but the game would have been a VERY different game. Seriously dude, did you go to school?

Put the keyboard down...walk away...you've been up for 18 hours and you're tired. Slow down and smell the flowers. It's gonna be ok....you're gonna give yourself the vapors.

 

[AZGrizFan]

BUT, the same goes for anyone who thinks the head coach and his staff should be removed from the fourth-ranked team in the FCS after a 10-3 season is equally as embarrassing to Griz Nation.

Agreed. :thumb:

 

[Eriul]

NOT A SINGLE PERSON ON HERE said it cost us the game including myself. Seriously, you bitch about reading comprehension but I have stated at least 10 times that I dunno if we would have won but the game would have been a VERY different game. Seriously dude, did you go to school?

Put the keyboard down...walk away...you've been up for 18 hours and you're tired. Slow down and smell the flowers. It's gonna be ok....you're gonna give yourself the vapors.

Ignore the checkmate to your stupid arguments and derail the argument. That's new and original.

 

[AZGrizFan]

My take of watching this game from the NEZ? We were horribly out-coached. Leave aside the game planning and cold weather preparations. We had the better athletes on both sides of the ball. They had the better disciplined athletes on both sides of the ball.

I'm not sure I agree with that. They routinely were able to leave their corners on islands and rush 6-7 guys and yet, for some reason, we weren't able to capitalize. Either JJ was blind and didn't see the consistently open reciever downfield or there WASN'T an open receiver and he forced it into single coverage where the receiver was blanketed. Their corners were good....better than ours, I dare say.

 

[PlayerRep]

Here's another view. Had UM been allowed to score by the refs at the time of the blown replay call, UM would have been down only 14 points with 6/7 minutes left in the 3d q.

After CC's TD drive early in the 3d q, CC's drives were 3-1, 11-41, 4-5, 3-5, 8-49--or 29-104. UM's defense was pretty much shutting down CC.

In the 2d half, UM's drives were 10-75, 11-61 (drive with bad call), 3-6 (had lost momentum temporarily), 13-94, 3-5 (the interception), 3-72--43-313. UM's offense was in high great.

And UM would have won the game in regulation, beaten NDSU the next week, won the nat'l championship, and Engstrom would have resigned.

 

[Eriul]

My take of watching this game from the NEZ? We were horribly out-coached. Leave aside the game planning and cold weather preparations. We had the better athletes on both sides of the ball. They had the better disciplined athletes on both sides of the ball.

I'm not sure I agree with that. They routinely were able to leave their corners on islands and rush 6-7 guys and yet, for some reason, we weren't able to capitalize. Either JJ was blind and didn't see the consistently open reciever downfield or there WASN'T an open receiver and he forced it into single coverage where the receiver was blanketed. Their corners were good....better than ours, I dare say.

Uhh... JJ missed more open receivers than they had open all game... rewatch the game. There was a reason JJ kept checking into deep passes, he just couldn't complete them. Hint: Open means a step ahead of the coverage man/men and almost all his misses were on single coverage where the receiver had a step, in all honesty I give him credit for recognizing the coverage.

And just because their corners are better doesn't mean they have "better athletes." Are you ignoring the fact that we had 4 potential NFL players? I dunno enough about their team but I would be "willing to bet" that they don't have that many .

 

[Eriul]

Here's another view. Had UM been allowed to score by the refs at the time of the blown replay call, UM would have been down only 14 points with 6/7 minutes left in the 3d q.

After CC's TD drive early in the 3d q, CC's drives were 3-1, 11-41, 4-5, 3-5, 8-49--or 29-104. UM's defense was pretty much shutting down CC.

In the 2d half, UM's drives were 10-75, 11-61 (drive with bad call), 3-6 (had lost momentum temporarily), 13-94, 3-5 (the interception), 3-72--43-313. UM's offense was in high great.

And UM would have won the game in regulation, beaten NDSU the next week, won the nat'l championship, and Engstrom would have resigned.

lol first time I heard someone say we would have won and it was sarcasm .

Can you elaborate what those numbers mean? Does it mean plays-yardage? That's what I thought but then I saw 29-104 . Just trying to understand what you were trying to represent

 

[PlayerRep]

Umm... Weren't you the one wanting to bet $1000 on the griz to cover the spread pre game? I find it interesting that you were so high on is pre game and then post game you say "any arm chair qb saw we were fatally flawed."

Egriz posters are so f***[*] black and white. Either we suck or were incredible. f***[*] stop saying we were horrible because we lost a close game to a good team in which the refs were arguably the determining factor. The griz were a good team with some flaws but ultimately we failed in a CLOSE game.

And people bitching about our play calling, it was bad at times but are you REALLY bitching at out offensive production? You guys do understand we nearly put 600 yard on them right? If you wanna bitch about us not kicking maybe that's a thing but I highly doubt our kickers woulda done anything outside the 20.

I said nothing about black and white. And no matter how "flawed" we might be, history would suggest that we're going to beat ANY Big South team put in front of us, so yes, I was the guy who was certain we'd win. But, we didn't play well enough to win, and it wouldn't have mattered anyway, since we'd get blasted this weekend even if we HAD managed to win. I can at least admit THAT, which you're apparently not able to. The refs were not the determining factor. Not even close. Our team turned the ball over on downs THREE times inside the 30. JJ threw an interception at the worst possible time of the year. We gave up 28 straight points in OUR house in OUR weather to a team from the f***[*] Big South. We got to within 7 points with FIVE FULL MINUTES left in the game and didn't have the ability to get our defense off the field. Hell, even if we HAD won that game we didn't deserve it.

Omfg this is exactly what I'm talking about. You were certain we'd win by 20+, if I recall right you even said we'd win by 30. But if I ignore the sentence about getting within 7 it would sound like we got beat by 30. Seriously dude. You even said something about the interception at the worst time when the refs missed the offsides call on that exact play. Seriously dude it was a close game and we get it you think were a dog shit team and shouldn't be in the playoffs and we were over rated bla bla bla. You're just like every other hard head on here. We lost a CLOSE game where refs severely changed the path of the game. And before you argue that point, I'm just mimicking the commentators thoughts who was in fact a coach and infinitely more qualified than you when it comes to football.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
And I am the hard head? :lol: :lol:

You sound like a major league pussy...blaming the refs. If a team doesn't want the refs to impact the game, DON'T GIVE UP 42 POINTS!!! Get a couple turnovers....Stop them and get the ball back! Don't leave it in the hands of the refs to f*** it up, because they inevitably will. Guaranteed.

And at least you admitted you don't have an original thought. :lol:

Okay, let's assume your 2d sentence is true. You win that discussion. We did give up 42 points (which is lower than CC's season average). Now can we go back to the discussion about the blown call and the possible/likely impact on the game. Remember, this is the internet. This is a football message board.

 

[PlayerRep]

Defense and special teams are the concerns.

I'd keep Gregorak because of the adjustments he's made this year, but I'd have him on a very short leash. We need better overall defensive production, and we need to start games stronger.

Watch how NDSU handles CCU and that will give us a clue about where we need to be.

So please enlighten us on how you keep a coach making jacksquat on a "very short leash"? Do you think UM can actually fire and hire during the course of a season? Like it or not, this staff is going to be back pretty much intact. Hell, what other program would want them?

UM is lucky to have, and keep for awhile, the majority of the assistants that we have.

 

[Big G]

And just because their corners are better doesn't mean they have "better athletes." Are you ignoring the fact that we had 4 potential NFL players? I dunno enough about their team but I would be "willing to bet" that they don't have that many .

Who are the 4 potential NFL players on this years team? :?

 

[PlayerRep]

Here's another view. Had UM been allowed to score by the refs at the time of the blown replay call, UM would have been down only 14 points with 6/7 minutes left in the 3d q.

After CC's TD drive early in the 3d q, CC's drives were 3-1, 11-41, 4-5, 3-5, 8-49--or 29-104. UM's defense was pretty much shutting down CC.

In the 2d half, UM's drives were 10-75, 11-61 (drive with bad call), 3-6 (had lost momentum temporarily), 13-94, 3-5 (the interception), 3-72--43-313. UM's offense was in high great.

And UM would have won the game in regulation, beaten NDSU the next week, won the nat'l championship, and Engstrom would have resigned.

lol first time I heard someone say we would have won and it was sarcasm .

Can you elaborate what those numbers mean? Does it mean plays-yardage? That's what I thought but then I saw 29-104 . Just trying to understand what you were trying to represent

Plays-yardage. During the specified time periods. Does something look goofed up?

The ref blunder not only cost UM points, but it cost momentum at a critical time. It also contributed to UM running out of time. Even CC fans who came on the team charter thought UM was coming on hard, and were glad the clock ran out. I talked to some of them after the game. I knew 2 of them. I think UM would have had a good chance to win, but for that call. Of course, no one could ever know--nor could they know we wouldn't have won. It's also true that UM could have won in various other ways.

 

[Eriul]

And just because their corners are better doesn't mean they have "better athletes." Are you ignoring the fact that we had 4 potential NFL players? I dunno enough about their team but I would be "willing to bet" that they don't have that many .

Who are the 4 potential NFL players on this years team? :?

I have heard, not a scout myself, that Coyle, Tripp, Poehls, Kistler are all potential. I dunno enough about them to determine but I know Tripp is at WORST going to make a practice squad.

Maybe potential NFL players if they get enough fired under them too COULD include

Henderson, Wilson(this one might be stretch but I think he is a HELL of a FB), Wagenman(maybe?), or possibly even Shaw if he gets some good work in.

I'm just spouting nonsense about maybe those ones but throughout the year I know I have heard the names of the first 4 being scouted.

 

[Eriul]

Here's another view. Had UM been allowed to score by the refs at the time of the blown replay call, UM would have been down only 14 points with 6/7 minutes left in the 3d q.

After CC's TD drive early in the 3d q, CC's drives were 3-1, 11-41, 4-5, 3-5, 8-49--or 29-104. UM's defense was pretty much shutting down CC.

In the 2d half, UM's drives were 10-75, 11-61 (drive with bad call), 3-6 (had lost momentum temporarily), 13-94, 3-5 (the interception), 3-72--43-313. UM's offense was in high great.

And UM would have won the game in regulation, beaten NDSU the next week, won the nat'l championship, and Engstrom would have resigned.

lol first time I heard someone say we would have won and it was sarcasm .

Can you elaborate what those numbers mean? Does it mean plays-yardage? That's what I thought but then I saw 29-104 . Just trying to understand what you were trying to represent

Plays-yardage. During the specified time periods. Does something look goofed up?

The ref blunder not only cost UM points, but it cost momentum at a critical time. It also contributed to UM running out of time. Even CC fans who came on the team charter thought UM was coming on hard, and were glad the clock ran out. I talked to some of them after the game. I knew 2 of them. I think UM would have had a good chance to win, but for that call. Of course, no one could ever know--nor could they know we wouldn't have won. It's also true that UM could have won in various other ways.

Was just wondering how it was 29-104 if 104 is the yardage? I dunno maybe I'm not reading straight.

Fact is it's a different game without the CLEAR officiating blunderS, I capitalize the s the emphasize the multiple ones. I think the refs influenced the game too much and it COULD have had a different outcomes, regardless of the outcome I don't think people should ignore the absolute shit pile of refs that were on the field. They were absolute shit and if you ignore their quality just because, "they woulda beat us anyway," then you are effectively saying you're okay with that quality of officiating in the Big Sky and I dunno how high you can be but that level of officiating is not NEAR the level I would expect in the FCS(which already has terrible officials.)

(I used the word you to refer to people like AZ not you PR)