Lady Griz Vs. Idaho

[mthoopsfan]

I don't agree. I think the program would have probably done better this year with Petrino.

I would argue that without the addition of Fatkin and the trimming of the roster fat, I don't agree with your assumption. There was nothing, including 4 bad losses to end the season, that made me believe that the program would have been in better shape for year 2 with Petrino.

Trimming the roster has done nothing for the team this year. Nothing, other than hurting the roster of contributors this year. 2 of the 3 new players brought into the program have done zilch, at least this year.

The team might have been better under Petrino (with Fatkin) because the team had much improved talent this year. One of year of improvement for veterans. One more year and improvement of some younger players. Fatkin. And would have gotten more out of some of the players who were cut.

We will see how the new coach ends his season. Yes, last season's end and the first round loss was disappointing. But the new coach had better/improved players this year, and so far his conference performance is about the same as last year.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Trimming the roster has done nothing for the team this year. Nothing, other than hurting the roster of contributors this year.

Didn't say it has done anything for this year, but I believe it will be beneficial for the years to come. And unlike you, I don't for a second believe any of the kids let go would have had any impact on this season. It hurt nothing.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Huh? "we will be a team to be reckoned with maybe not so much next year but in 23/24."

23/24? I thought the prevailing view last year, was that the new coach, with all his recruiting contacts, was going to come and bring big time transfers to make an immediate impact? Upgrade the talent right away and bring the Pac-12 coaching and scheme. That's why he had to drop 6 scholarship players, without seeing them play and mostly via zoom.

Instead, he has a team with considerably better talent, but with only 1 of the top 9 his recruit, that is probably going to finish with about the same conference record as last year. Hopefully, they will do better in the tournament than last year. The first round last year, to a team beaten twice, was quite awful. Yes, he allowed Fatkin to return to the team. His best move by far. I wonder if Fatkin would have returned under the prior coach, but I know nothing of the circumstances. I haven't seen the 2 foreign frosh play at all. How are they? Will they be good? Will they make it? Hope so.
While many coaches don't immediately turn a team around, some Griz fans acted last year, and earlier this season, like the new coach was going to work magic.

Losing the Big 3, as well Morris-Nelson and Frohlich (all of whom are listed as seniors on the roster), is going to create a large hole next year.

If the team wins 3 of the last 4, and does well in the tourney, that would be great. I'm not so sure that's going to happen. Like all of you, I also like the team and enjoy watching them play. I will keep an open mind on the coach, but, based on what some of you said last year and earlier this year, I expected the team would have done better at this point. There's still time for them to catch fire. Hopefully, they will.

With the firestorm that was Shannon’s exit and the discord from last years players it’s any wonder the ladies have played as well as they have. Anyone who phantom a quick turnaround would have been delusional at best. To change a system, new coaches and players all around in a new system would have have been nothing less than monumental. Give credit where credit is due, Brian has done an excellent job and I for one is excited for the future of lady Griz bb.

Shannon left 2 years ago. Petrino coached last year.

Tell us more about how "Brian has done an excellent job". Sorry, but I just don't see it. He dumped scholarship players when he first came, mostly in a zoom call, without even looking at them. One went to a D-I school and started the first 6 or 8 games. He brought in 2 frosh recruits who have done nothing, yet. He brought in Tsineke. She started for a bit, but isn't now. He let Fatkin, a former Griz player, back on the team. Great move. He kept and brought in two good female assistants.

The team of mainly returning players, Fatkin, and 2 very good frosh, who were already committed to UM, seems to have considerable more talent than last year's team. The point contribution of new players is huge in comparison to what was lost last year, which is only one measurement. The team has played well at times, but hasn't at other times. The team may end up with a worse percentage conference win record than last year. The coach has said, at least once and maybe more, that he hasn't been doing a good job of coaching.

Sorry, but while the coach may turn out to be great, I just don't see that he has done an "excellent job", at least yet. His "excellent job" doesn't seem to be showing in the team's conference record.

Your points are well taken however I prefer to view the glass as half full as opposed to half empty. I, for one feel that this team and coach are headed in the right direction but this debate will only be settled on the basketball court rather than the court of public opinion. I’m confident we both want to see our lady Griz back on top of the BSC.

I'm good with your view.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

The team might have been better under Petrino (with Fatkin) because the team had much improved talent this year. One of year of improvement for veterans. One more year and improvement of some younger players. Fatkin. And would have gotten more out of some of the players who were cut.

Possible, but once again, I don't think the loss of any of the cut players is a negative. I just don't think any of them would have had any impact for the team this season, or the future.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I think your expectations are what failed you, not the first year of this coaches progress. It may not show in the record, but this team, this program, is in a better place then it has been in years. It takes time to change a culture, especially one that had been so beaten down. It's too bad if you can't see or admit it.

I watched most of the Portland State game and I liked what I saw. Granted, Portland State was awful, but there was movement off the ball with our offense, and heads-up switching and trapping on defense. I came away thinking that while Holsinger's reputation is as a recruiter, he also knows how to coach. And finally: I liked the team chemistry. When Lisa Kiefer scored her first basket, the entire team was off the bench in celebration. Chemistry is the true "sixth man" on any team.

The achilles heel for both the men's and the women's teams lately has been the recruitment of bona-fide bigs. Looks like Holsinger is bringing in a few top guards but can he recruit height? There's been a revolution in the three-ball era, and the teams that were out front in that era prospered. But today, the three-ball is a talent that most teams have adapted to, so it's back once again to which teams have the dominant bigs--many of whom, by the way, can shoot from deep as well. I mean, can you believe that Karl Anthony-Towns won the three-point contest at the All-Star game? Or watched Nikola Jokic drain those high-arcing rainbows from deep? Recruiting skilled bigs will be the x-factor for both our men's and women's teams.

While Murphy, who the new coach cut last year, may not be a big in your view, (6.0 forward) this is what she has done at UT-Chattanooga in the last 3 games. "She has contributed at UT-Chattanooga. I see that she started and played 27 minutes (second most on the team) in the last game, with 5 rebounds. In the prior game off the bench, she had 12 points, 12 rebounds, 3 blocks, and shot 4-8 from 3, in 34 minutes. In the prior game off the bench, she had 14 points and 5 rebounds, in 5-10 shooting, in 24 minutes. 22 rebounds in the last 3 games. Has started 7 games this season.

 

[Mousegriz]

I think the recruits coming next year will give us a better idea of this coach's recruiting. Sounds like a good class.

 

[mthoopsfan]

The team might have been better under Petrino (with Fatkin) because the team had much improved talent this year. One of year of improvement for veterans. One more year and improvement of some younger players. Fatkin. And would have gotten more out of some of the players who were cut.

Possible, but once again, I don't think the loss of any of the cut players is a negative. I just don't think any of them would have had any impact for the team this season, or the future.

So, tell me how this cut of Murphy helped the LG team this. Actually, tell me how the cutting of any of the MT players helped the team this year. Speak up. I'd like to see you justify and explain what you just said. And one little negative of cutting the 6, is the loss of one loyal LG fan, who has contributed financially and otherwise to the program every year for over a decade, and who is not contributing financially to any program except football. Including to the cheer squad and the band. Ha.

"I see that Murphy started and played 27 minutes (second most on the team) in the last game, with 5 rebounds. In the prior game off the bench, she had 12 points, 12 rebounds, 3 blocks, and shot 4-8 from 3, in 34 minutes. In the prior game off the bench, she had 14 points and 5 rebounds, in 5-10 shooting, in 24 minutes. 22 rebounds in the last 3 games. Has started 7 games this season."

 

[mthoopsfan]

I think the recruits coming next year will give us a better idea of this coach's recruiting. Sounds like a good class.

I agree. But where were the great transfers that many were expecting for this year?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Possible, but once again, I don't think the loss of any of the cut players is a negative. I just don't think any of them would have had any impact for the team this season, or the future.

So, tell me how this cut of Murphy helped the LG team this. Actually, tell me how the cutting of any of the MT players helped the team this year. Speak up. I'd like to see you justify and explain what you just said. And one little negative of cutting the 6, is the loss of one loyal LG fan, who has contributed financially and otherwise to the program every year for over a decade, and who is not contributing financially to any program except football. Including to the cheer squad and the band. Ha.

"I see that Murphy started and played 27 minutes (second most on the team) in the last game, with 5 rebounds. In the prior game off the bench, she had 12 points, 12 rebounds, 3 blocks, and shot 4-8 from 3, in 34 minutes. In the prior game off the bench, she had 14 points and 5 rebounds, in 5-10 shooting, in 24 minutes. 22 rebounds in the last 3 games. Has started 7 games this season."

Once again, in the overall scheme of things, I don't for a second believe any of the cut players had any negative impact and if a booster is so butthurt by a coach doing what he believes is in the best interest of the program for the future, then maybe he wasn't such a good booster after all. As for Murphy, good for her, but who's minutes on this team do you trim, and does she really give you more than that person? I don't think she does.

 

[84GRIZ]

Turnovers are just killing the Lady Griz. They are averaging 15.6 turnovers per game the last 5 games. Gfeller, with 77 and Anderson with 50, are #1 and #3 in total turnovers for the team. They also need to find a way to get Huard more shots. She is shooting 43.4% on three point shots but has games where she is getting very few touches and looks.

 

[Griz66]

Have you bothered to look at the 4 recruits signed for next year with likely more to come. On paper they look awful good to me and one is a post player. I believe that Kieffer was brought here as a "project" and there was not a plan that she would be a contributor this year. I think one could safely assume that the then assistants had major input into who was cut last year-don't you think? I may well be wrong but I think we will beat the cats on Saturday night. See I am an optimist

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

But where were the great transfers that many were expecting for this year?

This has to be one of the dumbest things for the basis of an argument.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Turnovers are just killing the Lady Griz. They are averaging 15.6 turnovers per game the last 5 games. Gfeller, with 77 and Anderson with 50, are #1 and #3 in total turnovers for the team. They also need to find a way to get Huard more shots. She is shooting 43.4% on three point shots but has games where she is getting very few touches and looks.

Well, if the new hotshot coach would have brought in all the great transfers that some fans assumed, to replace all the riffraff on the roster, they wouldn't have to live or die with the play of the older returning kids. Is this correct mthoopsfan?

 

[Mousegriz]

I think the recruits coming next year will give us a better idea of this coach's recruiting. Sounds like a good class.

I agree. But where were the great transfers that many were expecting for this year?

Certainly no transfers as impactful as Momberg at Western! Or Schweyen at the Mo Club!

 

[GrizBaba]

There's probably a lot more unsaid with the players that were cut than we'll ever know (unless the lawsuit brings it out). I like seeing how supportive of each other the team is.

 

[mthoopsfan]

But where were the great transfers that many were expecting for this year?

This has to be one of the dumbest things for the basis of an argument.

Not true. This is a very good point for the argument. One of the talking points for the new coach was that he would bring in some immediate transfers. You don't follow basketball. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[mthoopsfan]

So, tell me how this cut of Murphy helped the LG team this. Actually, tell me how the cutting of any of the MT players helped the team this year. Speak up. I'd like to see you justify and explain what you just said. And one little negative of cutting the 6, is the loss of one loyal LG fan, who has contributed financially and otherwise to the program every year for over a decade, and who is not contributing financially to any program except football. Including to the cheer squad and the band. Ha.

"I see that Murphy started and played 27 minutes (second most on the team) in the last game, with 5 rebounds. In the prior game off the bench, she had 12 points, 12 rebounds, 3 blocks, and shot 4-8 from 3, in 34 minutes. In the prior game off the bench, she had 14 points and 5 rebounds, in 5-10 shooting, in 24 minutes. 22 rebounds in the last 3 games. Has started 7 games this season."

Once again, in the overall scheme of things, I don't for a second believe any of the cut players had any negative impact and if a booster is so butthurt by a coach doing what he believes is in the best interest of the program for the future, then maybe he wasn't such a good booster after all. As for Murphy, good for her, but who's minutes on this team do you trim, and does she really give you more than that person? I don't think she does.

If Murphy's play for the LG were like her last 3 games, she would be one of the players coming off the bench. In my view, she could help spell the LG posts. I never said I was a great booster, but I've contributed a lot more in most every respect than you ever did or will. My loyalty, money and estate things lean to Dartmouth. I also have influence over several other large boosters, several of whom are largely down on UM, except football.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Turnovers are just killing the Lady Griz. They are averaging 15.6 turnovers per game the last 5 games. Gfeller, with 77 and Anderson with 50, are #1 and #3 in total turnovers for the team. They also need to find a way to get Huard more shots. She is shooting 43.4% on three point shots but has games where she is getting very few touches and looks.

Well, if the new hotshot coach would have brought in all the great transfers that some fans assumed, to replace all the riffraff on the roster, they wouldn't have to live or die with the play of the older returning kids. Is this correct mthoopsfan?

One or true very good transfers would have improved the team this year. Do you disagree?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

This has to be one of the dumbest things for the basis of an argument.

Not true. This is a very good point for the argument. One of the talking points for the new coach was that he would bring in some immediate transfers. You don't follow basketball. You don't know what you're talking about.

Seems he did bring in some immediate transfers.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Once again, in the overall scheme of things, I don't for a second believe any of the cut players had any negative impact and if a booster is so butthurt by a coach doing what he believes is in the best interest of the program for the future, then maybe he wasn't such a good booster after all. As for Murphy, good for her, but who's minutes on this team do you trim, and does she really give you more than that person? I don't think she does.

If Murphy's play for the LG were like her last 3 games, she would be one of the players coming off the bench. In my view, she could help spell the LG posts. I never said I was a great booster, but I've contributed a lot more in most every respect than you ever did or will. My loyalty, money and estate things lean to Dartmouth. I also have influence over several other large boosters, several of whom are largely down on UM, except football.

Congrats PR, but you want to hang your entire argument about 6 girls on Murphy, who may not be any more impactful than Bartsch?