Ladies BB ethnic makeup.

[Grizbacker1]

Swilly,

If you ever get out of the State of Montana you might notice that in many states athletes specialize in one sport. They also have access to specialized training facilities and coaching. Weather is also a factor. Montana has produced some incredible athletes, such as Brian Schweyen, Harry Clark, Scott Zanon. These guys were good in many sports, but near the top in the country as decathletes. Had they specialized in one sport who knows where they might have ended up. There is a lot of pressure in states like Montana to play all sports.

 

[Swillbury]

If you ever get out of the State of Montana you might notice that in many states athletes specialize in one sport. They also have access to specialized training facilities and coaching. Weather is also a factor. Montana has produced some incredible athletes, such as Brian Schweyen, Harry Clark, Scott Zanon. These guys were good in many sports, but near the top in the country as decathletes. Had they specialized in one sport who knows where they might have ended up. There is a lot of pressure in states like Montana to play all sports.

So your saying that is Montana had kids specializing in one sport they would be better? I disagree, I think that most kids in montana are not super athletes because they dont have the will to be so. Trust me, I know alot of high school kids in missoula and can tell you that they dont spend every waking moment thinking about sports like any GREAT athlete should, we dont put enough pressure on athletics in montana so we dont produce alot of great athletes year in and year out.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Swilly wrote
we dont put enough pressure on athletics in montana so we dont produce alot of great athletes year in and year out.

Swilly,

What on earth do you mean by that statement? "Put enough pressure on athletics" ???

 

[Swillbury]

Swilly wrote
we dont put enough pressure on athletics in montana so we dont produce alot of great athletes year in and year out.

Swilly,

What on earth do you mean by that statement? "Put enough pressure on athletics" ???

It just seems to me that Montana doesnt care enough about high school athletics and about the kids that play, just seems to me like "if you play, that is all that matters" I dont know but I would love to see Kids playing basketball everyday allday like alot of kids do other places.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

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[shahan]

Swilly wrote
we dont put enough pressure on athletics in montana so we dont produce alot of great athletes year in and year out.

Swilly,

What on earth do you mean by that statement? "Put enough pressure on athletics" ???

It just seems to me that Montana doesnt care enough about high school athletics and about the kids that play, just seems to me like "if you play, that is all that matters" I dont know but I would love to see Kids playing basketball everyday allday like alot of kids do other places.

You dont see those kids out there playing basketball all day for a few reasons: 1. Kids in Montana go to school, they dont skip to go shoot hoops and later in life not be able to read a book. 2. You would have to leave your computer desk at least once per day out side of eating and the bathroom, to see anything going on in the outside world.

Its just a sport. Sports were my life, everything was sports for me. Until one day something happened, and I clearly realized that sports are not everything. It is just a game, just a privelage to play. A lot of kids around Montana and other states realize this too. They play it cause they love it, and they wanna have some "fun." Its people that think the way you do about putting pressure on sports, that take away the fun, and make those kids walk away from sports.

 

[Bronco]

I remember at least one Indian (native American) gal on the team.
Does that count?

 

[Grizbacker1]

I remember at least one Indian (native American) gal on the team.
Does that count?

Vicki Austin-CA
Mandy Morales-from MT
Tam Guardipee-from MT
Malia Kipp-from MT
LeAnn Montes-from MT
Brooklyn Lorenzen-Oregon

I am sure I have missed someone.

 

[pburggrizz]

Kyrsko is a polock does that count. :thumb:

 

[pburggrizz]

Oh wait thats mens.

 

[ewok33]

Oh wait thats mens.

dude! Where's your car! :moon:

 

[BWahlberg]

Ronbo, you play with who you sign and recruit. Robin constantly wins the Big Sky and makes the Tourneys with who he's got. The NCAAs are not going to give us a better seed because of diversity. If there was a lady who is african american and is thinking about the Griz I'm sure Robin will recruit her, but if another girl is a better player should he take her because of her ethnicity?

You use the talent you have and recruit.

I would take the average African American over the average white kid anyday. Proven fact that African Americans are better athletes than white kids. I think he is saying Selvig should try to start to recruit black kids to come up here and play.

Swilly so which girl would you want on your team;

Jane Doe - caucasian

6'1" - 158
23 PPG
8 Rebounds/game
5 Assists/game
3 steals/game

Sally Smith - African American

6'1" - 158
20 PPG
5 Rebounds/game
4 Assists/game
1 steal/game

Would you take Sally b/c she's black? Or would you take take Jane because she's better?

 

[Grizbacker1]

Kyrsko is a polock does that count. :thumb:

I suppose if he had a sex change! :werd:

 

[TrueGriz]

I remember at least one Indian (native American) gal on the team.
Does that count?

Vicki Austin-CA
Mandy Morales-from MT
Tam Guardipee-from MT
Malia Kipp-from MT
LeAnn Montes-from MT
Brooklyn Lorenzen-Oregon

I am sure I have missed someone.

LeAnn Montes sister walked on for one season. Forgot her first name, though.

 

[ronbo]

Ronbo, you play with who you sign and recruit. Robin constantly wins the Big Sky and makes the Tourneys with who he's got. The NCAAs are not going to give us a better seed because of diversity. If there was a lady who is african american and is thinking about the Griz I'm sure Robin will recruit her, but if another girl is a better player should he take her because of her ethnicity?

You use the talent you have and recruit.

I would take the average African American over the average white kid anyday. Proven fact that African Americans are better athletes than white kids. I think he is saying Selvig should try to start to recruit black kids to come up here and play.

Swilly so which girl would you want on your team;

Jane Doe - caucasian

6'1" - 158
23 PPG
8 Rebounds/game
5 Assists/game
3 steals/game

Sally Smith - African American

6'1" - 158
20 PPG
5 Rebounds/game
4 Assists/game
1 steal/game

Would you take Sally b/c she's black? Or would you take take Jane because she's better?

Depends on where they played. If Sally played in a Portland 5A Conference and Jane played in Missoula there is a very good chance Sally played with and against much stiffer competition.

 

[Lets get ready to rumble]

There are good arguments on both sides of the fence but in my opinion it boils down to if the kid is coachable or not. I have seen many great players whose teams underacheive because they put themselves above the team. White,black,red,blue,green...it doesn't matter as long as they plug themselves into the team philosophy. :twocents:

 

[BWahlberg]

Point well taken Ronbo, lets just say one played for Sentinel and the other for Hellgate.

 

[Montana Gym Rat]

The case in point has nothing to do with race, but rather location.

Swilly is right, but for the wrong reason. Players aren't better because of their ethnicity - its about the numbers.

There are almost 1 million people in Montana. The minority numbers are low, so you don't expect to see a lot of super athletes that are black, mexican, etc. Because there are more white kids playing sports in Montana, chances are the best players will be white.

Now go to inner-city Chicago. Probably 4 times the population. That right off the bat gives you better odds of finding better players. The minority population is actually the majority in this area, so you would expect the better players to be black - just out of numbers alone.

Minorities tend to live in larger populations in larger cities. That's a proven fact. So that increases the odds of how many minority players are exceedingly talented because there is a bigger "pool" to choose from.

Montana is not populated, nor is it surrounded by places populated in such a way that you can expect blue chip talent every year. It's very hard to recruit those players away from their comfort zone. First off, it is extremely far for most recruits. Secondly, to most city-folk, Montana isn't their first choice to attend college.

It's not about ethnicity, its just about the numbers.

 

[DuCharme]

LeAnn Montes sister walked on for one season. Forgot her first name, though.

Aimee.

 

[grizonbob]

Wow Swill, I have to disagree with you. Because if the world ran the way you see it, then Montana would have never allowed a Kevin Criswell, aka Average white guy, to walk on. And would have allowed maybe a young man from Seattle to walk on. Either way you look at it, neither side is right. Sometimes it works out better to take the average African American, over the average Caucasian. Sometimes it doesn't. In the case of us, here and now in Montana, it has worked out well to give that average white kid from Montana a shot.

If you wanna take it to football, we took some average and great white montana athletes, instead of taking average and great atheletes from other races. I think we have done okay there. Our athletes of other races have contributed greatfully in that success. I think the UM does a pretty good job of getting talented kids who will fit well in Missoula, no matter their skin color.

I never said that White kids arent allowed to be good, but if you look at all the pros, what race would you say dominates them? Blacks or whites? Im just saying overall Blacks are better at athletically than white people. Im sure that alot of white kids from Montana have been amazing but im just trying to expand our recruiting out of montana! I dont care about their race but we need to get out of Montana and recruit kids from other states.

Out of the 11 incoming freshman, 7 of them are from montana! Krysko has even gone out of the country to get one of his recruits this year and has signed nobody from Montana. Why? Maybe its because Montana kids arent good enough to take Kryscko to where he wants his program to be. Im not saying that no Montana is good but on a year to year basis--lets face it, montana kids arent that good compared to most of the other states in the United States....

Hey, whaddya mean? There's lot of great white athletes out there. Just look at the Winter Olympics. Aren't white athletes dominating in sports like the biathlon, luge, bobsledding, curling?