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Lack of an inside game

Selvig is playing better inside defense, but still needs some work with guys posting him up. Offensively, we are not missing Qvale as much as we are on the boards and defense.

Fortunately Ward, Steward, and Jamar are all effective paint scorers in the right matchups. It has been very intelligent coaching strategy using those guys effectively, depending on matchups. Also spreading the court out really helps these guys in their matchups. Granted, our game cannot count on one guy putting up great post numbers like we had with Kamar, Strait, then Qvale.

Last season Tinkle started to us Ward, Steward, and Jamar against smaller/weaker players, and the GRIZ have learned to use them even more often this season.

Defensively, and on the boards, we are nowhere close in those areas as we were with Qvale. Defensively, we are relying more on pressure, and forcing turnovers, verses paint intimidation. To be honest, over the last 6 games, I don't recall better perimeter defense than we have been getting. GRIZ perimeter defense is rolling, and without the best it has been at any time I can recall. Rebounding wise, it is rebounding by committee. Everyone contributes their share with rebounding. I feel rebounding is by far what needs the most work on this season.

Reader's return would be helpful. Until then, our paint defense is very dependent on Selvig doing a consistent job. I do think Jamar and Steward get their fair share of blocks though.
 
bigforkgriz said:
IdaGriz01 said:
grizonbob said:
For all the concerns I have had -- and I know others have had -- about Selvig's tendency to float to the perimeter, I was happy to see him get a lot of rebounds and be a presence on the defensive end. I can't remember if he got any blocks, but he sure seemed to change shots and generally gum up things many times Portland State tried to get the ball inside.
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"Official" stats show Selvig had 2 blocked shots ... but I agree that he changed a great many more. He also had 9 rebounds, 8 on the defensive end. All in all, this was one of the most impressive inside performances I can remember from him. Hope we see some more.
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I have, like many, been critical of Selvig. I thought this was one of his better games defensively. He did have a few soft moments, but he blocked and altered a lot of shots. He also had two clean blocks that were called fouls.
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There is simply no point in continuing to critique Selvig. He is not going to change in the last half of his senior season. He is what he is. 7'2" can be an obstacle on any court...Personally, I think Tinks has brought this group farther along than anyone expected and he does it with Selvig or without....UM can win this conference if they continue playing well. Let it go. I can already hear "if only we had Selvig"....next year.....reality is such a bitch ...
 
GrizLA said:
bigforkgriz said:
IdaGriz01 said:
grizonbob said:
For all the concerns I have had -- and I know others have had -- about Selvig's tendency to float to the perimeter, I was happy to see him get a lot of rebounds and be a presence on the defensive end. I can't remember if he got any blocks, but he sure seemed to change shots and generally gum up things many times Portland State tried to get the ball inside.
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"Official" stats show Selvig had 2 blocked shots ... but I agree that he changed a great many more. He also had 9 rebounds, 8 on the defensive end. All in all, this was one of the most impressive inside performances I can remember from him. Hope we see some more.
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I have, like many, been critical of Selvig. I thought this was one of his better games defensively. He did have a few soft moments, but he blocked and altered a lot of shots. He also had two clean blocks that were called fouls.
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There is simply no point in continuing to critique Selvig. He is not going to change in the last half of his senior season. He is what he is. 7'2" can be an obstacle on any court...Personally, I think Tinks has brought this group farther along than anyone expected and he does it with Selvig or without....UM can win this conference if they continue playing well. Let it go. I can already hear "if only we had Selvig"....next year.....reality is such a bitch ...
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I thought your bitch was named Billy?
 
While UM doesn't have a great inside game this year, it has a pretty good one. The one exception is rebounding by the big men, or maybe it's just Ward, and offensive rebounding. UM's non-big men rebound pretty well, tho. Yes, we don't have a great center like Qvale. Not many teams do, and UM has probably never had one better.

Ward scored 18 points and 4 rebounds against PSU, and Selvig had 9 rebounds and 10 points. Contrast that with Qvale's averages of 14.4 points and 8.3 rebounds per game last year. Both big men are good shooters.

UM got outrebounded by PSU, but that was mainly by Tapscott, who is the top rebounder in the conference (9.7 in conference and 9.1 overall, almost 2 ahead of the next closest player) and who had 16 last night. He didn't push us around. He's only 6'5", 215. UM has 3 players in the top 17 rebounders in the conference. UM is 2nd in the conference in blocked shots, and has 3 players in the top 10 (conference only).

What UM lacked inside game last night was really any depth. I Only Selvig and Ward were healthy, playing 36 and 30 minutes. Hutchinson had been sick, according to the paper, and played only 4 minutes with no rebounds and no points. Weisner didn't make the trip due to an ankle injury last week in practice, and Reader is still ineligible. Our only 2 big guys had to play alot of minutes. Stewart and Jamar had to play some 4 in both games this weekend.
 
Growler1 said:
GrizLA said:
bigforkgriz said:
IdaGriz01 said:
"Official" stats show Selvig had 2 blocked shots ... but I agree that he changed a great many more. He also had 9 rebounds, 8 on the defensive end. All in all, this was one of the most impressive inside performances I can remember from him. Hope we see some more.
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I have, like many, been critical of Selvig. I thought this was one of his better games defensively. He did have a few soft moments, but he blocked and altered a lot of shots. He also had two clean blocks that were called fouls.
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There is simply no point in continuing to critique Selvig. He is not going to change in the last half of his senior season. He is what he is. 7'2" can be an obstacle on any court...Personally, I think Tinks has brought this group farther along than anyone expected and he does it with Selvig or without....UM can win this conference if they continue playing well. Let it go. I can already hear "if only we had Selvig"....next year.....reality is such a bitch ...
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I thought your bitch was named Billy?
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You are my bitch...and everyone else's here.
 
grizindabox said:
So Growler, your point is not "What if Qvale had used his redshirt and was a Griz this season.", it is a question as to why Tinkle did not do a better job recruiting bigs in the seasons since?
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If you would address me with respect, as you do in this post, instead of being an asshoe, like you are in so many other ones, I might give you respect back. Remember dude, you have initiated every slam aimed back at you. It's in vogue by pin heads on here to slam me. But don't be a lemming. Just sayin'.

The point I am trying to make is that we have the weakest inside game this season of any during Tink's regime. Yet, we also have the best outside skill players we have had during the same period. My original post was lamenting the fact that we could have both elements on the court at the same time. I did NOT say that this team was not VERY GOOD, or could not win the conference. I merely said that we will have problems (especially defensively) when we have to play a good big man (perhaps in the NCAA tournament).

And, I think almost ALL Griz recruits should be red-shirted. Cherry and Jabar are two exceptions, but Qvale should have sat.
 
Growler1 said:
Yeah right, L.A. Nice try. I freakin' own most of these pin heads, including your sorry arse.
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You are too "Jerry Sandusky" to own anyone's ass...your own seems to be a problem for you, judging from pot bellied reach around.
 
Growler1 said:
grizindabox said:
So Growler, your point is not "What if Qvale had used his redshirt and was a Griz this season.", it is a question as to why Tinkle did not do a better job recruiting bigs in the seasons since?
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If you would address me with respect, as you do in this post, instead of being an asshoe, like you are in so many other ones, I might give you respect back. Remember dude, you have initiated every slam aimed back at you. It's in vogue by pin heads on here to slam me. But don't be a lemming. Just sayin'.

The point I am trying to make is that we have the weakest inside game this season of any during Tink's regime. Yet, we also have the best outside skill players we have had during the same period. My original post was lamenting the fact that we could have both elements on the court at the same time. I did NOT say that this team was not VERY GOOD, or could not win the conference. I merely said that we will have problems (especially defensively) when we have to play a good big man (perhaps in the NCAA tournament).

And, I think almost ALL Griz recruits should be red-shirted. Cherry and Jabar are two exceptions, but Qvale should have sat.
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Growler, respect is earned, and you have earned none from me.
 
grizindabox said:
Growler1 said:
grizindabox said:
So Growler, your point is not "What if Qvale had used his redshirt and was a Griz this season.", it is a question as to why Tinkle did not do a better job recruiting bigs in the seasons since?
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If you would address me with respect, as you do in this post, instead of being an asshoe, like you are in so many other ones, I might give you respect back. Remember dude, you have initiated every slam aimed back at you. It's in vogue by pin heads on here to slam me. But don't be a lemming. Just sayin'.

The point I am trying to make is that we have the weakest inside game this season of any during Tink's regime. Yet, we also have the best outside skill players we have had during the same period. My original post was lamenting the fact that we could have both elements on the court at the same time. I did NOT say that this team was not VERY GOOD, or could not win the conference. I merely said that we will have problems (especially defensively) when we have to play a good big man (perhaps in the NCAA tournament).

And, I think almost ALL Griz recruits should be red-shirted. Cherry and Jabar are two exceptions, but Qvale should have sat.
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Growler, respect is earned, and you have earned none from me.
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Then stay out of my threads. I only want posters who know basketball posting.
 
GrizLA said:
Growler1 said:
Yeah right, L.A. Nice try. I freakin' own most of these pin heads, including your sorry arse.
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You are too "Jerry Sandusky" to own anyone's ass...your own seems to be a problem for you, judging from pot bellied reach around.
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That the best you got? Your wrists are so limp that carpal tunnel surgery is futile in your case.
 
Last year, UM was 4th in rebounding, 5th in rebounding margin, and 7th in offensive rebounding, in conference only stats. 1st in shot blocking.

This year, UM is 7th in rebounding, rebounding margin, and offensive rebounding, in conference only stats. Again, 2nd in shot blocking.

Some difference in rebounding, but it's not like UM was a dominant rebounding team last year either.

Selvig is rebounding at roughly the same level this year.
 
Certainly Qvale back would be nice, but it almost makes them tougher to guard offensively (bear with me). With a traditional lineup for them of Cherry-Jamar-Steward-Selvig-Ward, that is five guys that can knock down shots from anywhere on the court (well, Ward's range is at least mid-range). That opens up lanes for penetration, and makes them difficult to guard, and I think that has been showing lately.

They don't have any true post threats (especially without Reader), but they have an offense suited to space the floor, penetrate and kick. That can certainly be very dangerous, especially when it is guys like Cherry and Jamar penetrating.
 
jon said:
Certainly Qvale back would be nice, but it almost makes them tougher to guard offensively (bear with me). With a traditional lineup for them of Cherry-Jamar-Steward-Selvig-Ward, that is five guys that can knock down shots from anywhere on the court (well, Ward's range is at least mid-range). That opens up lanes for penetration, and makes them difficult to guard, and I think that has been showing lately.

They don't have any true post threats (especially without Reader), but they have an offense suited to space the floor, penetrate and kick. That can certainly be very dangerous, especially when it is guys like Cherry and Jamar penetrating.
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Very true, Jon. We have 2 more guys off the bench that can be good at taking the ball to the hole. Henderson and Deshields are good at it, just don't have the minutes to show it. If Deshields learns to finish he will be dangerous. He takes the ball to the hole with ease. :thumb:
 
When Ward takes a three I feel pretty confident about it. I think they all can score from anywhere. He hasn't shot a ton but is 60% from the three point line in conference.
 
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