Kyle Sample...

[cclarkblues]

Looks like an extra, in depth campus visit for players that the coaches are interested in targeting.

 

[cclarkblues]

We always had many young men that were offered various "rides" to come to the program and at least half of these guys washed out the first season for various reasons. I took the simple write up by Kyle that Sir Stitt is attempting to stop the large group of players that we signed but were marginal to begin with not only in skill but the mental aspect as well.

Camps are a very good way to get the feel for the young men and their family. The kids get to see what the hell they are getting into. I know of many kids that attend numerous camps and some have fathers with deep pockets and I wonder how the poor families deal with this issue. When "free" Bernie becomes president all of this will even out. Until then...

I'm afraid I must refer you to The Department Of Redundancy Department.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I know of many kids that attend numerous camps and some have fathers with deep pockets and I wonder how the poor families deal with this issue.

By relying "more" on camps, if we did or did not in the past, increasing reliance on camps creates a different problem, it increases a "selection bias." It's a great way to see potential recruits, and that's the obvious upside,and you'd love to get all the kids you'd ever want to recruit to YOUR camp. But, good luck. Does increasing reliance on "camps" to any substantial degree -- if that is what was translated into English in the recent article -- expand or diminish the high-end recruitment pool?

Me thinks it might be a necessary evil given the administration's reluctance to provide additional actual "recruiting" dollars. so, they have to make do with what they have....But I would agree in pricinple that I wouldn't want them to get myopic on JUST the recruits that actually attend the camp.

 

[GrizzlyClaw]

I'm not sure I fully understand the "change" in recruiting philosophy.

The Griz coaches are going to do extensive homework by reviewing tape, talking to coaches/teachers about work ethic and grades, calling recruits, and inviting them to camp. They will not hand-out offers "like candy." Instead they will focus their offers on the recruits who stand out in camp, and meet or exceed the coaches criteria.

I guess I assumed they did all of these things before...I certainly hope they did.

What did I miss?

"We’re not just saying, ‘Hey, come to camp so we can make money,'" Montana director of opperations [sic] Colin Bonnicksen said. "We’re saying come to camp to see if you’re going to be a guy who we want to offer a scholarship to."

Well, for those who argued or ignored the importance of these camps financially, in discussions about "coach salaries," the fact that the head coach "owns" the camps and this June's camps, as i had noted, are on tap for about 1,000 participants at $150 or more each, it should be obvious (by now) how much these can contribute to the coach's salary, and to the coach's discretion to pay his assistants and boost their off-salary incomes as well. It's big bucks.

Kyle did a nice job describing what these camps are all about, and why everybody does them, but you are also correct: is there something exceptional here, or is this what "coaches in general do?" I don't know any FCS school that hands out offers "like candy" and I am glad that UM will focus offers on recruits that "stand out in camp," but jeez folks exactly what are they saying here that is actually "news"? There's a little bit here of the "Coach is going to look for quarterbacks that are fast and accurate!" school of worship as though no coach had ever thought of that before.

I would like to know, is there anything unique, different of distinctive about UM's camps this year, that is distinctive from prior years or from other schools? The "tone" of the article suggests there is, the "substance" of the article fails to identify it. How much do they actually receive from these camps? From the reporting angle, where does the money go, how is it allocated? Are the camps open to the public?

Kyle did a nice job describing why camps are important for the coaches, different from watching films etc., stuff that all makes sense, but then where do the kids generally come from, is there any kind of geographical or talent distinction? Does a kid have to qualify in any sort of way, or can any kid sign up? Are kids invited? Who? On what basis? Is there a typical percentage of offers that might be made in camp of 1,000 kids? How do these work at other FCS schools by comparison, if there is a comparison?

Missing from the article was any sense of the fact that these are called "camps," but that the perspective was from the standpoint of coaches doing recruiting, as an "evaluation tool." Do the kids get anything out of these camps? Do the coaches offer anything that benefits the typical kid coming to camp?

What is the ratio of recruits made from "camps" compared to recruitment made in other ways? What are the NCAA rules about "camps," the recruitment process and period. It might also be useful for the general reader to know why FCS and FBS camp rules are different. How do these camps differ from satellite camps? Are the goals or outcomes different?

Questions that a former Sports Editor might ask.

My three boys attended the youth camp last year in June. They loved it. Very positive attitude from players and coaches. I am sure the high school camp was much more intense. I will know more as my oldest son will participate at that camp this year as a freshman. I always wondered why Montana did not have youth camps.

 

[mondayamqb]

Camps can be a reflection of administration attitude toward athletics. Some schools waive dorm room charges and/or food or give generous discounts to the head coach (all sports). Others charge full bore. This is often consistent with how they treat athletic department rent, utilities, custodial, security, etc. It is my understanding that the coaches camps and athletic department at UM are looked upon as decent sources of revenue for other departments. Obviously it can make quite a difference in net additional income for coaches. And is another reason administrative support is important.

 

[Umista]

Clarkblues is referring me to the redundancy dept? My reply wont fit the programs intent.

Redundancy?

 

[cclarkblues]

Clarkblues is referring me to the redundancy dept? My reply wont fit the programs intent.

Redundancy?

Well, you did post it 3 times... :roll:

 

[mtgrizrule]

I'm not sure I fully understand the "change" in recruiting philosophy.

The Griz coaches are going to do extensive homework by reviewing tape, talking to coaches/teachers about work ethic and grades, calling recruits, and inviting them to camp. They will not hand-out offers "like candy." Instead they will focus their offers on the recruits who stand out in camp, and meet or exceed the coaches criteria.

I guess I assumed they did all of these things before...I certainly hope they did.

What did I miss?

"We’re not just saying, ‘Hey, come to camp so we can make money,'" Montana director of opperations [sic] Colin Bonnicksen said. "We’re saying come to camp to see if you’re going to be a guy who we want to offer a scholarship to."

Well, for those who argued or ignored the importance of these camps financially, in discussions about "coach salaries," the fact that the head coach "owns" the camps and this June's camps, as i had noted, are on tap for about 1,000 participants at $150 or more each, it should be obvious (by now) how much these can contribute to the coach's salary, and to the coach's discretion to pay his assistants and boost their off-salary incomes as well. It's big bucks.

Kyle did a nice job describing what these camps are all about, and why everybody does them, but you are also correct: is there something exceptional here, or is this what "coaches in general do?" I don't know any FCS school that hands out offers "like candy" and I am glad that UM will focus offers on recruits that "stand out in camp," but jeez folks exactly what are they saying here that is actually "news"? There's a little bit here of the "Coach is going to look for quarterbacks that are fast and accurate!" school of worship as though no coach had ever thought of that before.

I would like to know, is there anything unique, different of distinctive about UM's camps this year, that is distinctive from prior years or from other schools? The "tone" of the article suggests there is, the "substance" of the article fails to identify it. How much do they actually receive from these camps? From the reporting angle, where does the money go, how is it allocated? Are the camps open to the public?

Kyle did a nice job describing why camps are important for the coaches, different from watching films etc., stuff that all makes sense, but then where do the kids generally come from, is there any kind of geographical or talent distinction? Does a kid have to qualify in any sort of way, or can any kid sign up? Are kids invited? Who? On what basis? Is there a typical percentage of offers that might be made in camp of 1,000 kids? How do these work at other FCS schools by comparison, if there is a comparison?

Missing from the article was any sense of the fact that these are called "camps," but that the perspective was from the standpoint of coaches doing recruiting, as an "evaluation tool." Do the kids get anything out of these camps? Do the coaches offer anything that benefits the typical kid coming to camp?

What is the ratio of recruits made from "camps" compared to recruitment made in other ways? What are the NCAA rules about "camps," the recruitment process and period. It might also be useful for the general reader to know why FCS and FBS camp rules are different. How do these camps differ from satellite camps? Are the goals or outcomes different?

Questions that a former Sports Editor might ask.

My three boys attended the youth camp last year in June. They loved it. Very positive attitude from players and coaches. I am sure the high school camp was much more intense. I will know more as my oldest son will participate at that camp this year as a freshman. I always wondered why Montana did not have youth camps.

I worked the GRIZ individual and team basketball camps under Larry and Wayne, and observed the camps under DeCuire. I did talk with a lot of coaches, parents, and players at each of them. The consensus each time was, the camps were the best value for the money, compared to others in the region. The staff was terrific, etc.

 

[Ursa Major]

Clarkblues is referring me to the redundancy dept? My reply wont fit the programs intent.

Redundancy?

Well, you did post it 3 times... :roll:

I'm guessing DTs.

 

[snap]

Speaking of Kyle Sample, I went back and watched a couple of those "Griz Tracks" vids that he does with AJ. The sexual tension is palpable.

 

[Ursa Major]

Speaking of Kyle Sample, I went back and watched a couple of those "Griz Tracks" vids that he does with AJ. The sexual tension is palpable.

So true. Strangely, I always detect a subtle but distinctive musky scent whenever I watch them.

 

[tgreseth]

Speaking of Kyle Sample, I went back and watched a couple of those "Griz Tracks" vids that he does with AJ. The sexual tension is palpable.

So true. Strangely, I always detect a subtle but distinctive musky scent whenever I watch them.

Ha! Are you on set during the filming of Griz Tracks or is this a phenomenon you experience whilst watching them at home on your tv? If the latter, perhaps you, yourself, are the source of the musky odor? Alternately, you may have a brain tumor. Either is a serious medical issue for which you should seek help immediately!

 

[MrTitleist]

Speaking of Kyle Sample, I went back and watched a couple of those "Griz Tracks" vids that he does with AJ. The sexual tension is palpable.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Mousegriz]

Hey Kyle....work on getting some headline spell checkers over at that fine newspaper. The little article about "evaluating" titled "evalute". Bet those juniors parents can't wait to get their kids into UM's fine journalism program/

And another headline from the Missoulian I laughed at last week "bonaza spells". "Bonanza" should be spelled correctly.......especially if "spells" is the word right new to it.

 

[BozAngelesGriz]

you guys are mean...

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

I'm not sure I fully understand the "change" in recruiting philosophy.

The Griz coaches are going to do extensive homework by reviewing tape, talking to coaches/teachers about work ethic and grades, calling recruits, and inviting them to camp. They will not hand-out offers "like candy." Instead they will focus their offers on the recruits who stand out in camp, and meet or exceed the coaches criteria.

I guess I assumed they did all of these things before...I certainly hope they did.

What did I miss?

"We’re not just saying, ‘Hey, come to camp so we can make money,'" Montana director of opperations [sic] Colin Bonnicksen said. "We’re saying come to camp to see if you’re going to be a guy who we want to offer a scholarship to."

Well, for those who argued or ignored the importance of these camps financially, in discussions about "coach salaries," the fact that the head coach "owns" the camps and this June's camps, as i had noted, are on tap for about 1,000 participants at $150 or more each, it should be obvious (by now) how much these can contribute to the coach's salary, and to the coach's discretion to pay his assistants and boost their off-salary incomes as well. It's big bucks.

Kyle did a nice job describing what these camps are all about, and why everybody does them, but you are also correct: is there something exceptional here, or is this what "coaches in general do?" I don't know any FCS school that hands out offers "like candy" and I am glad that UM will focus offers on recruits that "stand out in camp," but jeez folks exactly what are they saying here that is actually "news"? There's a little bit here of the "Coach is going to look for quarterbacks that are fast and accurate!" school of worship as though no coach had ever thought of that before.

I would like to know, is there anything unique, different of distinctive about UM's camps this year, that is distinctive from prior years or from other schools? The "tone" of the article suggests there is, the "substance" of the article fails to identify it. How much do they actually receive from these camps? From the reporting angle, where does the money go, how is it allocated? Are the camps open to the public?

Kyle did a nice job describing why camps are important for the coaches, different from watching films etc., stuff that all makes sense, but then where do the kids generally come from, is there any kind of geographical or talent distinction? Does a kid have to qualify in any sort of way, or can any kid sign up? Are kids invited? Who? On what basis? Is there a typical percentage of offers that might be made in camp of 1,000 kids? How do these work at other FCS schools by comparison, if there is a comparison?

Missing from the article was any sense of the fact that these are called "camps," but that the perspective was from the standpoint of coaches doing recruiting, as an "evaluation tool." Do the kids get anything out of these camps? Do the coaches offer anything that benefits the typical kid coming to camp?

What is the ratio of recruits made from "camps" compared to recruitment made in other ways? What are the NCAA rules about "camps," the recruitment process and period. It might also be useful for the general reader to know why FCS and FBS camp rules are different. How do these camps differ from satellite camps? Are the goals or outcomes different?

Questions that a former Sports Editor might ask.

I think Stitt was nicely saying...were going to do a better job of finding kids and we're going to put more effort into things like these camps and using them as tools for recruiting. In other words...we're gonna do a better job of using our resources than the last staff....

You know, nicely and in a humble tone though...you know, like you've been ripping on him to do ever since he was hired.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

We always had many young men that were offered various "rides" to come to the program and at least half of these guys washed out the first season for various reasons.

The biggest reason is likely that kids recruited at age 17 can change a lot by the time they are going on 18-19, and including the biggest social and cultural changes of their lives. Unless and until "coaches" become expert physiologists and psychologists, those "reasons" can't change "much."

Yes...I guess you could say kids at those ages are "headcases"???

 

[AZGrizFan]

Hey Kyle....work on getting some headline spell checkers over at that fine newspaper. The little article about "evaluating" titled "evalute". Bet those juniors parents can't wait to get their kids into UM's fine journalism program/

And another headline from the Missoulian I laughed at last week "bonaza spells". "Bonanza" should be spelled correctly.......especially if "spells" is the word right new to it.

I love it when someone criticizes someone else's spelling, and then misspells a word in their criticism. :lol: :lol:

 

[Mousegriz]

Hey Kyle....work on getting some headline spell checkers over at that fine newspaper. The little article about "evaluating" titled "evalute". Bet those juniors parents can't wait to get their kids into UM's fine journalism program/

And another headline from the Missoulian I laughed at last week "bonaza spells". "Bonanza" should be spelled correctly.......especially if "spells" is the word right new to it.

I love it when someone criticizes someone else's spelling, and then misspells a word in their criticism. :lol: :lol:

Yeah...my bad....but at least not a HEADLINE in the newspaper....it's hard to misspell these days!

 

[GrizPony]

We always had many young men that were offered various "rides" to come to the program and at least half of these guys washed out the first season for various reasons.

The biggest reason is likely that kids recruited at age 17 can change a lot by the time they are going on 18-19, and including the biggest social and cultural changes of their lives. Unless and until "coaches" become expert physiologists and psychologists, those "reasons" can't change "much."

I know I got a lot bigger "down there" during that time period.