Krakauer getting defensive?

[EverettGriz]

It is always good to see how UM handles freedom of speech. Shout em down I always say. Take their mic away and label them a "heckler" even if the first two questions elicit admissions by the author. Pathetic. Nice job UMGriz75

This wasn't a UM event. In fact, they requested a platform and and opportunity to speak, and it was rejected.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Hey, for all of you misogynistic, rape-apologizing, sports-following dirt bags who presume to have some sort "evidence" against the Narrative™

Let me remind you...

THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC FORUM

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSS4dOe8Ul8[/youtube]

THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC FORUM

And as such you then understand why you can be excluded at the whim of another? Personally I'm all for letting you post idiotic isht. Your actions are the internet version of the saying: "Never sit there and risk being thought a fool, speak up and remove all doubt".

 

[horribilisfan8184]

I saw the tape of Mr. Dove. Both Krakauer and his supporters are cowards. Pathetic.

 

[PlayerRep]

It is always good to see how UM handles freedom of speech. Shout em down I always say. Take their mic away and label them a "heckler" even if the first two questions elicit admissions by the author. Pathetic. Nice job UMGriz75

This wasn't a UM event. In fact, they requested a platform and and opportunity to speak, and it was rejected.

Note, however, that the moderator, who asked largely softball questions, was the dean of the journalism school. The forum seemed to start with the bookstore Fact and Fiction, someone from there started the event. Does UM own or not own that bookstore? I'm wondering of comments on the internet saying that are correct, or not.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Video of the end of the forum where the guy gets up and tries to ask Krakauer questions:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNmtDsb43mQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Seriously. Missoula should be fucking embarrassed. THAT is way more embarrassing than the book itself. :? :?

 

[PlayerRep]

I saw the tape of Mr. Dove. Both Krakauer and his supporters are cowards. Pathetic.

Agreed, and agree with this quote of GrizPony above. "Shout em down I always say. Take their mic away and label them a "heckler" even if the first two questions elicit admissions by the author. Pathetic."

In that ending segment, Krakauer came off like a defensive asshole.

 

[Grizbeer]

It is always good to see how UM handles freedom of speech. Shout em down I always say. Take their mic away and label them a "heckler" even if the first two questions elicit admissions by the author. Pathetic. Nice job UMGriz75

This wasn't a UM event. In fact, they requested a platform and and opportunity to speak, and it was rejected.

Note, however, that the moderator, who asked largely softball questions, was the dean of the journalism school. The forum seemed to start with the bookstore Fact and Fiction, someone from there started the event. Does UM own or not own that bookstore? I'm wondering of comments on the internet saying that are correct, or not.

The UM Bookstore owns all or part of Fact and Fiction. However the UM Bookstore is a separate corporation from the University of Montana. The bookstore is a non-profit corporation that is Student and Faculty owned.

 

[fanofzoo]

I saw the tape of Mr. Dove. Both Krakauer and his supporters are cowards. Pathetic.

Agreed, and agree with this quote of GrizPony above. "Shout em down I always say. Take their mic away and label them a "heckler" even if the first two questions elicit admissions by the author. Pathetic."

In that ending segment, Krakauer came off like a defensive asshole.

Ahem. I am waiting for the inevitable reaction, like all his other books where he picked the truth and stretched the other facts. Probably won't have the impact like this did but he will fade in the distance.
Still the story is gwen and how she manipulated the agenda, not for the victims but to take down an institution.
Hey 1/100 causalty rate is acceptable to them.

 

[PlayerRep]

It is always good to see how UM handles freedom of speech. Shout em down I always say. Take their mic away and label them a "heckler" even if the first two questions elicit admissions by the author. Pathetic. Nice job UMGriz75

This wasn't a UM event. In fact, they requested a platform and and opportunity to speak, and it was rejected.

Note, however, that the moderator, who asked largely softball questions, was the dean of the journalism school. The forum seemed to start with the bookstore Fact and Fiction, someone from there started the event. Does UM own or not own that bookstore? I'm wondering of comments on the internet saying that are correct, or not.

The UM Bookstore owns all or part of Fact and Fiction. However the UM Bookstore is a separate corporation from the University of Montana. The bookstore is a non-profit corporation that is Student and Faculty owned.

Thanks. With your info, I found the following, which confirmed what you said about UM Bookstore. As a non-profit, it may or may not have "members", and in any event, the members would elect the board, or, if no members, the board would elect board members and perpetuate itself without the governance rules of its articles and bylaws.

"The board of directors of The Bookstore at The University of Montana recently appointed Jon Aliri as the organization’s chief executive officer. Aliri has been with the Bookstore since 2003 and has served as its director of operations for the past 18 months. He began his duties as CEO on Jan. 1. Aliri’s appointment follows a national search during which the board reviewed numerous applications and held on-campus interviews for two candidates.

Aliri has been a part of the UM community since 2000. He earned both a master of arts in economics and an MBA from UM.

According to the Bookstore’s board, Aliri’s experience as a student and adjunct faculty member at UM and his 10 years of experience working for the Bookstore will serve him well as he leads the store during a time of change in the industry.

Together with the board, Aliri aims to support the intellectual, artistic and athletic pursuits of the UM and Missoula communities by providing the highest-quality goods and service possible.

The Bookstore at UM is a not-for-profit organization and has served the campus community since 1921. The Bookstore is governed by a board of directors that consists of UM students and faculty."

 

[SouthDakotaGrizzly]

Author faces heckler at forum about book on Missoula rapes

32 minutes ago • By MATT VOLZ


MISSOULA, Mont. (AP) — A Missoula audience gave the best-selling author of a book about the city's mishandling of rape cases a standing ovation Wednesday and then booed a heckler who had elbowed his way to the stage and called Jon Krakauer a liar.

Krakauer is the author of the new book "Missoula: Rape and the Justice System in a College Town," which is No. 4 on the New York Times' hardcover nonfiction best-seller list. The book uses the stories of several women from the University of Montana to illustrate the problems faced by rape victims nationwide in persuading police and prosecutors to pursue their cases.

Krakauer previously said he wasn't planning a tour or any other public appearances to promote the book, but he wanted to give critics in Missoula the chance to confront him. Instead, he received an enthusiastic welcome and applause throughout his interview with University of Montana Journalism School Dean Larry Abramson before a standing-room only crowd of more than 550 people.

That warmth was shattered when a man who identified himself as Missoula attorney Thomas Dove made his way to the front of the room just as the interview ended, called Krakauer a liar, accused him of bias and of breaking the law by citing confidential documents in his book.

The crowd tried to shout down Dove, while a few others disappointed that Krakauer did not take questions from the audience demanded that Dove have his say. Krakauer started to answer Dove's questions, but eventually became exasperated and walked out of the room as the crowd became more hostile toward Dove.

Dove and another man continued shouting after Krakauer as the crowd dispersed.

Earlier, the best-selling author of "Into the Wild" and "Into Thin Air" said rape is a serious crime that is not taken seriously, and he called on universities to step up their pursuit of rapists on campus.

The criminal justice system has a high legal burden to convict a rapist, and as a result, many offenders end up walking away, he said. Universities have a lower legal threshold to discipline sexual offenders, but they don't do enough to hold rapists accountable, he said.

"I think the university system across the nation is terrible," he said.

"Missoula" focuses on several University of Montana women who were assaulted between 2010 and 2012, the same period covered in a U.S. Department of Justice investigation into whether Missoula and university officials mishandled rape reports. The federal inquiry led to reforms in how the university and city respond to sexual assaults.

Critics have denounced Krakauer, the author of the best-selling books "Into Thin Air" and "Into the Wild," for turning the spotlight on Missoula and accuse him of reopening wounds inflicted by the Justice Department investigation. Others criticize the book as a one-sided account that doesn't include the voices of the prosecutors he depicts as failing the rape victims.

Krakauer previously told The Associated Press that he did not know what kind of reception to expect in Missoula but that he hoped the forum would "clear the air."

His focus on the town came after he started following rape cases across the nation, the author said. He decided that the subject could be turned into a book after traveling to Montana to hear the impressive testimony of one of the victims he profiles, he said.

He said he did not expect that the title of the book would create a backlash in Missoula.

"It didn't seem like this town would be so defensive," he said. "I don't regret it. I'm sorry it caused so much turmoil."

Yet, when an obvious critic confronted him, he took the mic away and stormed off the stage...

 

[PlayerRep]

I saw the tape of Mr. Dove. Both Krakauer and his supporters are cowards. Pathetic.

Agreed, and agree with this quote of GrizPony above. "Shout em down I always say. Take their mic away and label them a "heckler" even if the first two questions elicit admissions by the author. Pathetic."

In that ending segment, Krakauer came off like a defensive asshole.

Ahem. I am waiting for the inevitable reaction, like all his other books where he picked the truth and stretched the other facts. Probably won't have the impact like this did but he will fade in the distance.
Still the story is gwen and how she manipulated the agenda, not for the victims but to take down an institution.
Hey 1/100 causalty rate is acceptable to them.

And who actually believes that the 1/100 casualty rate is so low? I sure don't. I line up more with Blackstone and Franklin.

"While compiling his highly influential set of books on English common law, William Blackstone expressed the famous ratio this way:

"All presumptive evidence of felony should be admitted cautiously; for the law holds it better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent party suffer.”

"Ben Franklin's version of Blackstone's Ratio is very commonly quoted
Other commentators have echoed the principle; Benjamin Franklin stated it as, "it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer".

Sexual assault has become a cause and political issue. Some of those supporters are willing to overlook the Constitution and some of the important foundations on which the US was built, including the things mentioned above and freedom of expression/speech.

 

[go4two]

Author faces heckler at forum about book on Missoula rapes

32 minutes ago • By MATT VOLZ


Krakauer previously said he wasn't planning a tour or any other public appearances to promote the book, but he wanted to give critics in Missoula the chance to confront him.

Amen! This Krakauer is a big Puzzy to say he's here to give critics a chance to confront him and then he takes this gentlemen's mic away? WTF? In this video, Krakauer was immediately aggitated with the lawyer's relevant questions. If he lied about being a man and facing his critics, then how can you believe what he is writing in this one way book?

YOU CAN'T!

Never going to read this guys stuff again! That is just pathetic what happened last night!

 

[tnt]

I suspect this one won't have the impact that many of you think. The perception in this book of how potential victims are treated by this or any other community is not entirely incorrect and that was the purpose of this book in Krakauers mind. Nobodies mind is going to change, from this book, and certainly not Doves questioning. What few waves it may have caused will be long gone by mid summer.

The real travisty is how the "gang rape" gal is getting away with her nonsense.

 

[Grizbeer]

I suspect this one won't have the impact that many of you think. The perception in this book of how potential victims are treated by this or any other community is not entirely incorrect and that was the purpose of this book in Krakauers mind. Nobodies mind is going to change, from this book, and certainly not Doves questioning. What few waves it may have caused will be long gone by mid summer.

Does anyone know what the ramifications are of Krakauer having and disclosing confidential information that, from his words, he should not have had? Could people who's information was exposed sue him for releasing the information, or is he shielded as a journalist somehow? Can he be forced into telling who gave him the information, and would there be any consequences for the person who gave it to him? It sounds like this is a big deal, but I don't have any idea.

 

[tnt]

Thats a good question for 75, I dunno. and I'm not sure what the information really was. If Dove knew something, he sure picked a strange place/way to disclose it.....................

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

I suspect this one won't have the impact that many of you think. The perception in this book of how potential victims are treated by this or any other community is not entirely incorrect and that was the purpose of this book in Krakauers mind. Nobodies mind is going to change, from this book, and certainly not Doves questioning. What few waves it may have caused will be long gone by mid summer.

The real travisty is how the "gang rape" gal is getting away with her nonsense.

Nailed It. :clap:

 

[EverettGriz]

I think the comment about having information he shouldn't have is more blow from an individual trying too hard to establish that he has "inside info" than it is fact. I didn't see much in the book that wasn't part of the public record or discourse. Just my two cents.

 

[grizcountry420]

After watching the video it just goes to show how packed that room was full of liberals. It was a typical liberal response by heckling the man that was holding the microphone. Krakauer and audience didn't like what they were hearing so they threw a fit. It went against their agenda, how embarrassing!

 

[go4two]

I suspect this one won't have the impact that many of you think. The perception in this book of how potential victims are treated by this or any other community is not entirely incorrect and that was the purpose of this book in Krakauers mind. Nobodies mind is going to change, from this book, and certainly not Doves questioning. What few waves it may have caused will be long gone by mid summer.

The real travisty is how the "gang rape" gal is getting away with her nonsense.

I can live with that, but making MISSOULA the "poster city" for his book when we are at the mid to lower end statistically compared to other college town is BS. By putting MISSOULA on the front cover of his book, is just despicable! I love Missoula, and this book does not define it!!!! EVER!!!

 

[Boscoe]

Liberals?! These people are far too extreme to be labeled as merely liberals. Myself and many liberals that I know don't support this type of sentiment.