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Krakauer getting defensive?

bearister said:
Grizbeer, have you ever walked by the book aisle at Costco?
You almost always have your pick of several screeds by Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin and the like claiming that President Obama is responsible for the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby. I've never noticed a left wing agenda in the book selection. Seems to me to be about selling books.
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You're not paying attention then. :roll:
 
AZGrizFan said:
bearister said:
Grizbeer, have you ever walked by the book aisle at Costco?
You almost always have your pick of several screeds by Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin and the like claiming that President Obama is responsible for the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby. I've never noticed a left wing agenda in the book selection. Seems to me to be about selling books.
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You're not paying attention then. :roll:
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Although the industry is changing fast, most of the really big book publishers are still based in New York City, and the acquisition editors live their. There main emphasis is in acquiring books they think will sell. (I meet these people all the time at writers' conferences -- and they admit they have no magic formula for doing that ... but that's the idea.) However, all other things being (reasonably) equal, they lean heavily toward "PC" and a liberal/left agenda. Again ... this is what they say when you talk over beer or wine. Some are, actually, rather middle-of-the-road or even "conservative." However, before they even let a contract for a book, the editors have to "sell" the book to management. With a staff of publicists, numbers guys, and managers who are embedded in the left-wing environment of NYC, guess what they are going to favor?

Other than that, they like books that are "controversial" for whatever reason. Controversy generates sales, and that's their mantra (naturally). I know for a fact -- having talked to a number of published nonfiction authors -- that "balanced" is not a favored editorial approach. They will -- and some make no bones about it -- advise the author to cut material that "softens" the edge of some controversial topic.

Now, so-called "small presses," largely based outside of New York, may have different priorities. But Costco has to put large numbers of books in hundreds of locations all over the country. For them, books are commodities. Since they basically do not advertise, their buyers prefer to stock books where they know the publisher is going to print a large run of copies, and spend a lot of money on promoting them. Publishers only heavily promote books that are "authored" (perhaps with a ghost writer) by celebrities, are highly controversial, or link to some headline-grabbing event. Krakauer is a celebrity (of sorts) himself, and most of his books have generated a fair amount (and sometimes a lot) of controversy/publicity.

That's the "formula." Corporate buyers "may be wrong, but they are never uncertain."
 
super_eagle13 said:
I'm sure you can see why this book had to be published immediately. There are privileged white athletes running amok on pretty much all of our college campuses, having their way with your young scholarettes. No exceptions. So please shut up and let this happen.
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No doubt, Krakauer had to rush this into print, as he acknowledged, because the Rolling Stone debacle threatened to derail the need to punish "white privilege" in a town where "justice" was actually served quite well (except for that wealthy Muslim part).

Krakauer had plenty of time to write a book about a case where justice was not served well, say, the Brian Banks case. But, there was no story there, was there?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/wrongfully-imprisoned-banks-career-nfl-article-1.2090727" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Life isn’t fair, Banks says over and over in the life-coach talks he gives now, a devastating message that took flight for Banks on July 8, 2002. He was taking summer classes at his high school and left the classroom for what was supposed to be a quick call to a documentary crew preparing a feature on the rivalry with De La Salle High School in Northern California.

“I stepped outside to make the phone call and I ran into a classmate of mine,” Banks says.

Her name was Wanetta Gibson. She was a friend. She was 15.

“We met, hugged, started talking and agreed to go to an area on our campus that was known as a make-out area,” Banks says. “We went to this area and made out. We never had sex.”

By the end of the day, Banks was in custody, accused of raping Gibson on the school’s campus. But we never had sex, Banks pleaded. Nobody believed him.

“I was being arrested and accused of kidnapping and rape,” he says. “I was taken into custody that same day and the judge put a bail on me that was too high for me to post bond. It was over $1 million.”

He languished in juvenile hall for an entire year before his case came up. He was to be tried as an adult and if found guilty, faced 41 years to life. His football dreams effectively died that summer day in the stairwell of his school.
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Oddly, the wealthy Muslim student, after a series of violent sexual assaults, on campus, that were immediately reported, was permitted to lounge about on the UM campus for over a week while the incomparable Charles Couture had several counselling sessions with him, ostensibly about his academic needs and goals, before said wealthy Muslim student finally got the hint and left town on a first class ticket.

What was the story, again?
 
super_eagle13 said:
statler & waldorf said:
This wealthy' muslim' have a name?
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The initial reports fingered either Mustafa Q'nzent or Shii Azka-Fahreet. However, those two were later cleared by confirmed alibis that they were both with their friend, a man named I Bin El-Zhwer, at the time of the alleged assaults.

It has subsequently been narrowed down to either Graabir Boubi, Haid D'Salaami or the notorious Usuqa M'diq.
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:clap:
 
UMGriz75 said:
Oddly, the wealthy Muslim student, after a series of violent sexual assaults, on campus, that were immediately reported, was permitted to lounge about on the UM campus for over a week?
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did i just read "lounge about on campus"?
 
No worries Chappy. You'll always have drugs and murder. To the west we'll that campus speaks for itself. Why not pose as a Jacks fan? Christ, at least try for some originality.
 
Dmontanagrizzlies said:
No worries Chappy. You'll always have drugs and murder. To the east, we'll that campus speaks for itself. Why not pose as a Jacks fan? Christ, at least try for some originality.
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I don't know what any of this means, but I love it.
 
Well seeing how the Griz have always been Top Gun, our dear friend decided to follow 80's history. You see Top Gun was such a huge hit that other film companies tried to copy the original.
What you got was a kid with a tape deck flying a multimillion dollar aircraft...aka
Iron Eagle....
So, he'll always be Chappy to me. It's plausible and fits MSU and Ewoo quite well..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Eagle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Dmontanagrizzlies said:
Well seeing how the Griz have always been Top Gun, our dear friend decided to follow 80's history. You see Top Gun was such a huge hit that other film companies tried to copy the original.
What you got was a kid with a tape deck flying a multimillion dollar aircraft...aka
Iron Eagle....
So, he'll always be Chappy to me. It's plausible and fits MSU and Ewoo quite well..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Eagle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Noted.
Dude is a fucking tool.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
Dmontanagrizzlies said:
Well seeing how the Griz have always been Top Gun, our dear friend decided to follow 80's history. You see Top Gun was such a huge hit that other film companies tried to copy the original.
What you got was a kid with a tape deck flying a multimillion dollar aircraft...aka
Iron Eagle....
So, he'll always be Chappy to me. It's plausible and fits MSU and Ewoo quite well..

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Eagle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Noted.
Dude is a f***[*] tool.
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Oh! CDA!! Let's dumb this down a little....dude and tool are rather large vocabulary words with someone of Blinky's fun club caliber. So if I may rephrase your sentence..

That kid has a big fan with a little motor.
 
super_eagle13 said:
Why did Mr. K pick Missoula among a range of more-promising, higher-profile cases? There are four reasons.

a) Unlike most schools, UM had a quarterback who was not an innocent, upstanding African-American Gentleman who was about to receive a Rhodes Scholarship and bring an end to hunger. Rather, your guy looked like someone who could in fact be a latent skinhead. This is not an accusation, I'm just saying that I never saw proof that he doesn't have a swastika tattooed on his chest. Besides, even if someone like, say, Jameis Winston is indeed guilty of those heinous alleged crimes, wouldn't they really have been caused by some sort of PTSD from the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow or whatever?

b) Missoula, although reasonably well-known as a pretty-cool-place, is still technically inside what coastal narrative-crafters call "flyover land." It can therefore can be safely substituted for Anywheresville, USA. Yeah, maybe a quarterback rape spree happens first in Missoula, but then it's in Sioux Falls. Soon it's spreads to Cincinatti, moves on to Morgantown, leaves for Lehigh, and then it practically has the Old Grey Lady pinned down, begging for mercy! Do you really want to spread this sickness to places that actually matter?

c) As we all know, Middle America is overflowing with decent, hardworking people who are committed to doing the right thing and would never even consider threatening an enterprising reporter with frivolous libel charges. Besides they're poor rubes who couldn't afford it anyways.

d) There was some sort of low-key investigative news story printed eons ago about a sex-crime at some little Eastern university. Yes, it may have contained a few factual errors, but even while the ink was still drying, there came a flood of misogynist critics who had the temerity to call the whole thing a "hoax." Now we have a rising choir of hayseed reactionaries and Neo-Nazis beating this dead horse to such an extent that some of your fellow Missoulians are coming to the conclusion that there is hardly any Campus Rape Crisis at all! This cannot stand.

I'm sure you can see why this book had to be published immediately. There are privileged white athletes running amok on pretty much all of our college campuses, having their way with your young scholarettes. No exceptions. So please shut up and let this happen.
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Interesting book. According to an unnamed attorney getting drunk and raping is a rite of passage. Does anybody see all of the wrongs that were being done at UM? Screaming foul at Engstrom? He saw what should happen to clean up the system. Paoli seems to have bullied his way to his view of justice. It all comes out in the wash. Enjoy this fame. Makes me physically ill.
 
"Rules" for the forum. Must submit questions in advance and Krakauer will pick the ones he wants to answer. How about Pabst and Paoli draft three, and only three questions that Krakauer must answer with a "yes" or a "no." Well that wouldn't be fair now would it?

http://missoulian.com/news/local/rape-in-missoula-theroux-outlines-details-for-forum-with-krakauer/article_e4247509-af27-5213-ba33-d9f90c8655b9.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Charles Couture, the former dean of students at the University of Montana, is featured prominently in the book. He said he’s about halfway through reading it.

“It’s very emotional for me to read because of some of the information presented,” he said. “It bothers me very much emotionally because I was highly involved in those cases at the time, but I believe that Jon Krakauer did a tremendous job and I was very much pleased with the accuracy of his reporting.”
 
What's this RULES sh*t? 72 hrs. out and NOW there's conditions? Either boycott this farce or ask him the real questions. Get him on camera refusing to respond to real questions and make him look the fool. Fodder for civil suits.
 
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