Krakaeur's book "Missoula" to be released April 21

[PlayerRep]

So, you agree with the last two?

in part

Care to elaborate?

..and why did you post this comment on e-griz? There are over 20 comments on that subject. Why this one?

because it flys in the face of what everyone here is talking about, which is defending the football program at all costs. we can do things the right way and still be good, actually we'd probably be better. with dennison, foley, o'day, pflu gone we're on the right track imo. trouble is, so many are engrained in that style that it's hard to change. starting at the top was a good move. the sheep will follow.

I don't know anyone who defends the football program "at all costs". You also like to talk about "win at all costs" too. As I have said previously, I don't know a single person who wants to win at all costs, or who supports or would support winning at all costs. My view is that people like you don't know enough about the program or who runs or is influential with the program, so you truly don't know what you're talking about. You just like to use catch phrases like this, even though the phrase isn't accurate, in fact isn't even remotely accurate. Sort of the like the phrase rape culture. Usually, that one is totally made up too. People like you consistently refuse to listen to or use the facts.

 

[PlayerRep]

in part

Care to elaborate?

..and why did you post this comment on e-griz? There are over 20 comments on that subject. Why this one?

because it flys in the face of what everyone here is talking about, which is defending the football program at all costs. we can do things the right way and still be good, actually we'd probably be better. with dennison, foley, o'day, pflu gone we're on the right track imo. trouble is, so many are engrained in that style that it's hard to change. starting at the top was a good move. the sheep will follow.

Good god you are full of shit.

The reason you posted this comment is because it’s in line with your melodramatic agenda, period.

Other than the few, extreme “PR type” of posters, who “defends the football program at all costs”? You are clutching at straws.

You need to pay more attention. I don't defend the program at all costs--not even close. However, I defend the program when untrue or unfair things are being said about it.

 

[PlayerRep]

GG, let's have some discussion about specifics, and let's use only facts. Let's see some examples of what you think Griz fans, or some Griz fans, support "at all costs". Remember, you need to stick to facts. No making stuff up. No made-up straw men.

 

[argh!]

No made-up straw men.

as opposed to your inventions, greenie? c'mon, man - share your secrets!

 

[getgrizzy]

GG, let's have some discussion about specifics, and let's use only facts. Let's see some examples of what you think Griz fans, or some Griz fans, support "at all costs". Remember, you need to stick to facts. No making stuff up. No made-up straw men.

it's a figurative term. it doesn't mean people hold a gun to someone's head to win a game. in this case it means people who only look at things that will exonerate a player or coach accused of wrongdoing. some even try to minimize a crime even after the accused admits to it. it's ok to play defense attorney, but if you take a moderate stance you get attacked. i can't imagine what playing prosecutor would do.

no, that doesn't mean i think every poster here does that. but a majority in this thread are that way.

 

[EverettGriz]

if you take a moderate stance you get attacked

On this, I agree with GG 100%. Anyone who has taken a moderate stance on any issue surrounding the crimes with the FB team, the firing of Robin and Jim, the NCAA investigation, etc have routinely gotten lambasted on this board.

I think what's important to remember is that of the 100,000 UM alumni, the 1,000 that post on this board represent a very small percentage, and they are always going to lean more toward protecting athletics. When looking at the big picture, you have to view what's posted here through that lens.

 

[Ursa Major]

if you take a moderate stance you get attacked

On this, I agree with GG 100%. Anyone who has taken a moderate stance on any issue surrounding the crimes with the FB team, the firing of Robin and Jim, the NCAA investigation, etc have routinely gotten lambasted on this board.

I think what's important to remember is that of the 100,000 UM alumni, the 1,000 that post on this board represent a very small percentage, and they are always going to lean more toward protecting athletics. When looking at the big picture, you have to view what's posted here through that lens.

Great point, EG!

 

[Buttegrizzle]

if you take a moderate stance you get attacked

On this, I agree with GG 100%. Anyone who has taken a moderate stance on any issue surrounding the crimes with the FB team, the firing of Robin and Jim, the NCAA investigation, etc have routinely gotten lambasted on this board.

I think what's important to remember is that of the 100,000 UM alumni, the 1,000 that post on this board represent a very small percentage, and they are always going to lean more toward protecting athletics. When looking at the big picture, you have to view what's posted here through that lens.

Great point, EG!

Great point UM!

 

[BelierPeaux]

Built to Spill also releases their new album on the same day. Oh man! What should I spend my money on!?

 

[SACCAT66]

So...As a BOBCATS fan...can I be allowed to say something?

What does it really matter what comes out in this book. We all know what the courts said and that, in the end, is all that matters. The book may make UM look bad for the way they handled Some things, but no matter how much the upper level of UM fucked it up, the final say was with the courts, and that is more powerful than anything in america...right or wrong. I could easily say some snide comment about how "MSU took care of there issues by shooting them in a field" but I don't need to. You all are better that that (especially CDA...and sometimes Everett) So move on, and stop giving this guy 16 pages of talk about a book that in reality means NOTHING when it comes to your fear of Prukop...

Love yah, miss yah.

 

[signedbewildered]

"........stop giving this guy 16 pages of talk...."

Still on 15. Typical Cat fan, exaggerating.

 

[PlayerRep]

GG, let's have some discussion about specifics, and let's use only facts. Let's see some examples of what you think Griz fans, or some Griz fans, support "at all costs". Remember, you need to stick to facts. No making stuff up. No made-up straw men.

it's a figurative term. it doesn't mean people hold a gun to someone's head to win a game. in this case it means people who only look at things that will exonerate a player or coach accused of wrongdoing. some even try to minimize a crime even after the accused admits to it. it's ok to play defense attorney, but if you take a moderate stance you get attacked. i can't imagine what playing prosecutor would do.

no, that doesn't mean i think every poster here does that. but a majority in this thread are that way.

Many athletes who get charged get zero support. Absolutely zero. How is that support at all costs?

What about guys like you who bring up allegations even after they've been proven wrong, or charged dropped, or people found innocent? You're a guilty at all costs guy.

Sorry, but some "crimes" are very minor even if people admit to them. People like you try to make them out as crimes of the century, but going a few miles over the speed limit is not a big deal and should be minimized.

I knew you couldn't come up with any specifics.

 

[PlayerRep]

if you take a moderate stance you get attacked

On this, I agree with GG 100%. Anyone who has taken a moderate stance on any issue surrounding the crimes with the FB team, the firing of Robin and Jim, the NCAA investigation, etc have routinely gotten lambasted on this board.

I think what's important to remember is that of the 100,000 UM alumni, the 1,000 that post on this board represent a very small percentage, and they are always going to lean more toward protecting athletics. When looking at the big picture, you have to view what's posted here through that lens.

No, people like GG who frequently lie and exaggerate hear from others. I'm waiting to hear from anyone with a good example. There must be many examples to support your views, as you're acting like this happens all the time.

Okay, let's talk about the firing of Pflu and O'Day. Feel free to articulate a specific, valid and true reason for their firings. Note that it needs to be specific, true and valid. Let's hear all of the things that support their firings. Can't wait for this. Let's hear the innuendo. I'll hit those out of the ballpark.

Note that an AD and head coach have only been fired together twice: Penn St and UM, according to what I read.

 

[EverettGriz]

Oh Geeezus....


Sac66, thanks for the great post

 

[CDAGRIZ]

So...As a BOBCATS fan...can I be allowed to say something?

What does it really matter what comes out in this book. We all know what the courts said and that, in the end, is all that matters. The book may make UM look bad for the way they handled Some things, but no matter how much the upper level of UM fucked it up, the final say was with the courts, and that is more powerful than anything in america...right or wrong. I could easily say some snide comment about how "MSU took care of there issues by shooting them in a field" but I don't need to. You all are better that that (especially CDA...and sometimes Everett) So move on, and stop giving this guy 16 pages of talk about a book that in reality means NOTHING when it comes to your fear of Prukop...

Love yah, miss yah.

Thanks, bro.
Just so you know, everybody fears the KGB. "Vee Vill ask thee quiiistions. Vee have vays to make you talk."

 

[jodcon]

So...As a BOBCATS fan...can I be allowed to say something?

What does it really matter what comes out in this book. We all know what the courts said and that, in the end, is all that matters. The book may make UM look bad for the way they handled Some things, but no matter how much the upper level of UM f***[*] it up, the final say was with the courts, and that is more powerful than anything in america...right or wrong. I could easily say some snide comment about how "MSU took care of there issues by shooting them in a field" but I don't need to. You all are better that that (especially CDA...and sometimes Everett) So move on, and stop giving this guy 16 pages of talk about a book that in reality means NOTHING when it comes to your fear of Prukop...

Love yah, miss yah.

Cat/Griz will resemble Rocky IV in the end comrade...as usual.

 

[UMGriz75]

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etgrizzy » Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:20 pm i merely present facts and let other posters respond.

getgrizzy » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:05 pm "what straws am i clutching at? who's being melodramatic? i'm just posting facts.

getgrizzy » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:56 pm

PlayerRep wrote:GG, let's have some discussion about specifics, and let's use only facts. Let's see some examples of what you think Griz fans, or some Griz fans, support "at all costs". Remember, you need to stick to facts. No making stuff up. No made-up straw men.

it's a figurative term.

Must be from Oklahoma.

"Where the wind comes sweepin' down the Plain."

 

[UMGriz75]

Just so you know, everybody fears the KGB. "Vee Vill ask thee quiiistions. Vee have vays to make you talk."

Do Vee haf vays of making him stop talking?

 

[getgrizzy]

GG, let's have some discussion about specifics, and let's use only facts. Let's see some examples of what you think Griz fans, or some Griz fans, support "at all costs". Remember, you need to stick to facts. No making stuff up. No made-up straw men.

it's a figurative term. it doesn't mean people hold a gun to someone's head to win a game. in this case it means people who only look at things that will exonerate a player or coach accused of wrongdoing. some even try to minimize a crime even after the accused admits to it. it's ok to play defense attorney, but if you take a moderate stance you get attacked. i can't imagine what playing prosecutor would do.

no, that doesn't mean i think every poster here does that. but a majority in this thread are that way.

Many athletes who get charged get zero support. Absolutely zero. How is that support at all costs?

What about guys like you who bring up allegations even after they've been proven wrong, or charged dropped, or people found innocent? You're a guilty at all costs guy.

Sorry, but some "crimes" are very minor even if people admit to them. People like you try to make them out as crimes of the century, but going a few miles over the speed limit is not a big deal and should be minimized.

I knew you couldn't come up with any specifics.

i don't recall an instance where someone was charged that you didn't defend them here. not only that but you have defended guys who have admitted to crimes.

i don't recall bringing up allegations after they were "proven" wrong, but i do bring them up when "found" not guilty. there's a difference between those two things. it isn't that i think they're guilty, it's simply that i realize i don't really know for sure what happened regardless of what a jury says.
i've never tried to make a speeding ticket or any minor crime out to be the crime of the century. you're being hypersensitive and hysterical.

 

[getgrizzy]

if you take a moderate stance you get attacked

On this, I agree with GG 100%. Anyone who has taken a moderate stance on any issue surrounding the crimes with the FB team, the firing of Robin and Jim, the NCAA investigation, etc have routinely gotten lambasted on this board.

I think what's important to remember is that of the 100,000 UM alumni, the 1,000 that post on this board represent a very small percentage, and they are always going to lean more toward protecting athletics. When looking at the big picture, you have to view what's posted here through that lens.

No, people like GG who frequently lie and exaggerate hear from others. I'm waiting to hear from anyone with a good example. There must be many examples to support your views, as you're acting like this happens all the time.

Okay, let's talk about the firing of Pflu and O'Day. Feel free to articulate a specific, valid and true reason for their firings. Note that it needs to be specific, true and valid. Let's hear all of the things that support their firings. Can't wait for this. Let's hear the innuendo. I'll hit those out of the ballpark.

Note that an AD and head coach have only been fired together twice: Penn St and UM, according to what I read.

the only person that knows the true reason they were released from their contracts is engstrom. all anyone else can do is speculate. you're speculation, as usual, is a defense of them. you'll say they were released from their contracts as a scapegoat. you call anyone else's speculation a lie.

you treat the people you're supporting like a lawyer would treat a client. this is why you object to anyone like me who admits they don't know. to you that has to be shot down. only people that agree with your speculation are acceptable. just like a lawyer would do in court.