Kent Baer will be hired as Griz defensive coordinator

[garizzalies]

Doesn’t he?

He has experience, not sure I would call it impressive looking at the results.

So you must be in the camp who would prefer Ty, Shann, or BFisher? Compared to those choices, you’re god damn right it’s impressive.
Have we ever had a DC with this much P5 experience as a coordinator?

I agree he has experience, but look a little deeper and the results are not super impressive. I am in no way saying he won't work out, but am agreeing with people that have doubts. Personally, no one you named would be first on my list, but maybe he didn't have as many options as some people want to believe.

I never said his results were “super impressive.” Do you think we’ll ever get a P5 DC with impressive experience and super impressive results?
I did look deeper and, like most anything, stats don’t tell the full story, and each stint has one. I liked what I found even more when I drilled down.
The undeniable fact is that he’s got more P5 experience as a DC than any coach we’ve every had. You’d think we’d be doing cartwheels. I wouldn’t keep spouting off if the posters left it at unsubstantiated “doubt.” But some are going overboard and damn near guaranteeing failure and claiming he “failed at every step” which is crazy AF. Then they turn around and do a CYA with, “oh I hope I’m wrong.” That’s faggyier than MSU’s “satellite.”
Some hot-takers like to be cool but they have no idea what they’re really talking about here. Want proof? I’ve been begging for a realistic alternative since the announcement. You don’t have one either.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Please tell us in all your expert analysis what you’ve found that makes you feel so warm and fuzzy....

 

[PlayerRep]

Please tell us in all your expert analysis what you’ve found that makes you feel so warm and fuzzy....

I talked to Hauck and Pflugrad about him. Pflu came to AZ St as Baer left and has run across him over the years. I'm comfortable with Baer.

 

[garizzalies]

You mean besides having more P5 coordinator experience than any coach we’ve ever had, including some limited HC experience near the tippy top of CFB, no stripe club incidents, alot of promotions vs 2 firings, and prior experience with BH? AT THIS POINT in his Griz tenure, what more do you want days before signing day?
With that baseline, the burden’s on you, in your infinite wisdom, to come up with a realistic alternative, or some “expert analysis”

 

[garizzalies]

To be fair to Az, because I’ve been picking on his hot take, my realistic alternative would be Breske. The spud-holes stole him and I want him back. But I don’t know how he and BH are these days or if he’s willing, etc., so who f’n knows.

 

[Ursa Major]

Hey fellas, let’s not get down on Bobby’s coaches before they have a practice session.
Also, don’t forget that we now have a real head coach in charge.

It's kind of pathetic how you use every single post of yours to put down the previous coach.

+ 1

Let it go, Spankster.

 

[RobGriz]

You mean besides having more P5 coordinator experience than any coach we’ve ever had, including some limited HC experience near the tippy top of CFB, no stripe club incidents, alot of promotions vs 2 firings, and prior experience with BH? AT THIS POINT in his Griz tenure, what more do you want days before signing day?
With that baseline, the burden’s on you, in your infinite wisdom, to come up with a realistic alternative, or some “expert analysis”

Geez, kinda makes you wonder why a guy with so much P5 experience was available to take an FCS job...don’t it? Full disclosure, I have no alternatives and I trust Bobby to get the best guy available. I’m just kinda scratching my head that this guy was it.

 

[PlayerRep]

You mean besides having more P5 coordinator experience than any coach we’ve ever had, including some limited HC experience near the tippy top of CFB, no stripe club incidents, alot of promotions vs 2 firings, and prior experience with BH? AT THIS POINT in his Griz tenure, what more do you want days before signing day?
With that baseline, the burden’s on you, in your infinite wisdom, to come up with a realistic alternative, or some “expert analysis”

Geez, kinda makes you wonder why a guy with so much P5 experience was available to take an FCS job...don’t it? Full disclosure, I have no alternatives and I trust Bobby to get the best guy available. I’m just kinda scratching my head that this guy was it.

Perhaps because he's 66, has made good money, has accomplished many things, and wants to work on a new project in a different situation with Bobby (and perhaps other friends). Maybe he likes to fish or hunt. Note that he left Colo. to go to UNLV, for much less money, to help take on the challenge of trying to get UNLV going. My guess is that he has done enough, so that he isn't trying to keep moving up. Now, he may want to do some things that he would enjoy doing. Just wild guesses. I don't know him. Just been reading articles and talked to two people who know him.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You mean besides having more P5 coordinator experience than any coach we’ve ever had, including some limited HC experience near the tippy top of CFB, no stripe club incidents, alot of promotions vs 2 firings, and prior experience with BH? AT THIS POINT in his Griz tenure, what more do you want days before signing day?
With that baseline, the burden’s on you, in your infinite wisdom, to come up with a realistic alternative, or some “expert analysis”

I've said it before, but it bears repeating. THIS kind of experience, hired by anybody not named BH, would be getting flamesprayed on this board...not sure why BH gets such a gigantic pass...

2017 UNLV Team: 43 (FCS), 16, 54, 13, 41, 34, 52, 16, 23, 31, 35, 23 (32 average)
2016 UNLV Team: 13 (FCS), 42, 44, 33, 20, 26, 38, 42, 30, 66, 42, 45 (39 average)
2015 UNLV Team: Gave up 38, 37, 28, 8 (FCS), 17, 33, 31, 55, 21, 49, 52, 35 (37 average)

2013 Colorado Team: Gave up 27, 24 (FCS), 44, 57, 54, 10 (FCS), 44, 45, 59, 24, 47, 24 (42.5 average)

2012 SJSU Team: Gave up 20, 13, 20, 34, 0, 49, 24, 20, 13, 7, 14, 43, 20 (22 average)
2011 SJSU Team: Gave up 57, 27, 17, 24, 31, 29, 27, 38, 32, 34, 24, 24 (31 average)
2010 SJSU Team: Gave up 48, 27, 11, 56, 14, 35, 48, 33, 29, 38, 41, 45, 26 (38 average)

And I agree, garizzlies...I'd have loved Breske to come back.

I don't follow college football nearly close enough to know any of the multitude of alternatives out there, so don't expect an answer from me on that point. All I know is that I am not, in any way, impressed with his (Baer's) resume to date. As I've stated before, it appears he once was a top notch DC--very good, in fact. But beginning about 2005 (stint with UW, third stint with Willingham) the game appears to have gotten away from him and he's been unable (with the exception of the one shining moment in 2012 at SJSU) to adjust. Maybe FCS will be different. Maybe he'll find the old magic. Maybe the last 9 years has been an anomaly. Who knows. Guess we'll find out in about 10 months. :thumb:

I've said all I'm going to say about Kent Baer at this point. We'll let facts speak for themselves as the season progresses. As I've said, as a 30+ year Griz fan I hope and pray that I'm wrong about him...and there's nothing "faggy" about that.

 

[EverettGriz]

Have to agree with AZ: there’s little doubt that had Stitt been retained and made this hire, he would be getting mocked incessantly for it by many of the same people here trumpeting it as a great hire.

But that’s really no surprise, I guess.

 

[PlayerRep]

Have to agree with AZ: there’s little doubt that had Stitt been retained and made this hire, he would be getting mocked incessantly for it by many of the same people here trumpeting it as a great hire.

But that’s really no surprise, I guess.

I don't agree at all. I think Stitt would be getting mostly praise for this hire. Bringing someone to great experience and credentials, to replace someone who was young and without experience and credentials. By the way, I liked Semore. I can understand some of the criticism of his defenses, but I really didn't feel that I had enough information to evaluate and blame most of it on Semore. I know the players liked him.

 

[PlayerRep]

You mean besides having more P5 coordinator experience than any coach we’ve ever had, including some limited HC experience near the tippy top of CFB, no stripe club incidents, alot of promotions vs 2 firings, and prior experience with BH? AT THIS POINT in his Griz tenure, what more do you want days before signing day?
With that baseline, the burden’s on you, in your infinite wisdom, to come up with a realistic alternative, or some “expert analysis”

I've said it before, but it bears repeating. THIS kind of experience, hired by anybody not named BH, would be getting flamesprayed on this board...not sure why BH gets such a gigantic pass...

2017 UNLV Team: 43 (FCS), 16, 54, 13, 41, 34, 52, 16, 23, 31, 35, 23 (32 average)
2016 UNLV Team: 13 (FCS), 42, 44, 33, 20, 26, 38, 42, 30, 66, 42, 45 (39 average)
2015 UNLV Team: Gave up 38, 37, 28, 8 (FCS), 17, 33, 31, 55, 21, 49, 52, 35 (37 average)

2013 Colorado Team: Gave up 27, 24 (FCS), 44, 57, 54, 10 (FCS), 44, 45, 59, 24, 47, 24 (42.5 average)

2012 SJSU Team: Gave up 20, 13, 20, 34, 0, 49, 24, 20, 13, 7, 14, 43, 20 (22 average)
2011 SJSU Team: Gave up 57, 27, 17, 24, 31, 29, 27, 38, 32, 34, 24, 24 (31 average)
2010 SJSU Team: Gave up 48, 27, 11, 56, 14, 35, 48, 33, 29, 38, 41, 45, 26 (38 average)

And I agree, garizzlies...I'd have loved Breske to come back.

I don't follow college football nearly close enough to know any of the multitude of alternatives out there, so don't expect an answer from me on that point. All I know is that I am not, in any way, impressed with his (Baer's) resume to date. As I've stated before, it appears he once was a top notch DC--very good, in fact. But beginning about 2005 (stint with UW, third stint with Willingham) the game appears to have gotten away from him and he's been unable (with the exception of the one shining moment in 2012 at SJSU) to adjust. Maybe FCS will be different. Maybe he'll find the old magic. Maybe the last 9 years has been an anomaly. Who knows. Guess we'll find out in about 10 months. :thumb:

I've said all I'm going to say about Kent Baer at this point. We'll let facts speak for themselves as the season progresses. As I've said, as a 30+ year Griz fan I hope and pray that I'm wrong about him...and there's nothing "faggy" about that.

Again, if Baer was so bad at UW, and my big Husky fan in Seattle says that Baer closer to good than bad, why didn't UW's defensive stats and record get even worse the year after Baer left. Baer was just sacrificed by Willingham to deflect blame from Willingham. It didn't work. Willingham got fired too.

"Baer's last year, UW was 4-9 and ranked 103 in Total Defense and 92 in Scoring Defense. Not so good.

But the next year, with a new DC, UW was 0-12 and ranked 110 in Total Defense and 116 in Scoring Defense.

Based just on the stats, it doesn't look like Baer as DC was the problem, as the team and the new DC did even worse."

 

[RobGriz]

You mean besides having more P5 coordinator experience than any coach we’ve ever had, including some limited HC experience near the tippy top of CFB, no stripe club incidents, alot of promotions vs 2 firings, and prior experience with BH? AT THIS POINT in his Griz tenure, what more do you want days before signing day?
With that baseline, the burden’s on you, in your infinite wisdom, to come up with a realistic alternative, or some “expert analysis”

Geez, kinda makes you wonder why a guy with so much P5 experience was available to take an FCS job...don’t it? Full disclosure, I have no alternatives and I trust Bobby to get the best guy available. I’m just kinda scratching my head that this guy was it.

Perhaps because he's 66, has made good money, has accomplished many things, and wants to work on a new project in a different situation with Bobby (and perhaps other friends). Maybe he likes to fish or hunt. Note that he left Colo. to go to UNLV, for much less money, to help take on the challenge of trying to get UNLV going. My guess is that he has done enough, so that he isn't trying to keep moving up. Now, he may want to do some things that he would enjoy doing. Just wild guesses. I don't know him. Just been reading articles and talked to two people who know him.

Good points all. Like I said, I trust Bobby

 

[Blue Tears]

I know Mike Breske has an outstanding reputation and deservedly so, but his stats at the FBS level are very similar to Baer's production. As you can see with Breske recently, when you coach at FBS with lesser athletes compared to the opposition's offense, you are going to have a difficult time limiting their points and yards. Coaches at that level are all good in some respect, and when your team has less talent, the sledding can be difficult. Here are stats from the two coaches over the past 6 seasons which include stops at fairly similar schools.

Breske 33.99 PPG Allowed, 438.9 yards allowed/game, 1.6 turnovers forced/game (Washington State and Idaho)
Baer. 32.98 PPG Allowed, 440.6 yards allowed/game, 1.6 turnovers forced per game (San Jose State, Colorado and UNLV)

My opinion of Breske is extremely high, but looking at recent stats, he and Baer have been fairly similar. Here is to hoping that our new defensive coordinator does a masterful job.

 

[garizzalies]

BT, that was by far the most logical post in this dumb thread.
Why would any coach who hired someone with infinitely more P5 experience as a coordinator than we’ve ever had get “flamed”? Particularly at this point? Makes no sense to me, especially when the basis for “doubt” is their interpretation of stats from teams that weren’t all that great to begin with. I probably sound like poorcats here but some of you sound down right irrational and spoiled

 

[AZGrizFan]

Again, if Baer was so bad at UW, and my big Husky fan in Seattle says that Baer closer to good than bad, why didn't UW's defensive stats and record get even worse the year after Baer left. Baer was just sacrificed by Willingham to deflect blame from Willingham. It didn't work. Willingham got fired too.

"Baer's last year, UW was 4-9 and ranked 103 in Total Defense and 92 in Scoring Defense. Not so good.

But the next year, with a new DC, UW was 0-12 and ranked 110 in Total Defense and 116 in Scoring Defense.

Based just on the stats, it doesn't look like Baer as DC was the problem, as the team and the new DC did even worse."

I've already explained that. Try and keep up. :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

BT, that was by far the most logical post in this dumb thread.
Why would any coach who hired someone with infinitely more P5 experience as a coordinator than we’ve ever had get “flamed”? Particularly at this point? Makes no sense to me, especially when the basis for “doubt” is their interpretation of stats from teams that weren’t all that great to begin with. I probably sound like poorcats here but some of you sound down right irrational and spoiled

Maybe because we spent the past 3 years on this board dissecting the statistics of a coach who came from a program that literally DEFINED not "all that great" before he got there, and which he raised to a level of respectability they had literally never before achieved. But that performance wasn't good enough for fans, who used HIS STATS to denigrate him--before he'd even coached a game here.

Kinda thought that was the playbook here. :thumb:

 

[Spanky]

BT, that was by far the most logical post in this dumb thread.
Why would any coach who hired someone with infinitely more P5 experience as a coordinator than we’ve ever had get “flamed”? Particularly at this point? Makes no sense to me, especially when the basis for “doubt” is their interpretation of stats from teams that weren’t all that great to begin with. I probably sound like poorcats here but some of you sound down right irrational and spoiled

Maybe because we spent the past 3 years on this board dissecting the statistics of a coach who came from a program that literally DEFINED not "all that great" before he got there, and which he raised to a level of respectability they had literally never before achieved. But that performance wasn't good enough for fans, who used HIS STATS to denigrate him--before he'd even coached a game here.

Kinda thought that was the playbook here. :thumb:

Are you comparing Stitt to Baer? You have had a bad week.

 

[AZGrizFan]

BT, that was by far the most logical post in this dumb thread.
Why would any coach who hired someone with infinitely more P5 experience as a coordinator than we’ve ever had get “flamed”? Particularly at this point? Makes no sense to me, especially when the basis for “doubt” is their interpretation of stats from teams that weren’t all that great to begin with. I probably sound like poorcats here but some of you sound down right irrational and spoiled

Maybe because we spent the past 3 years on this board dissecting the statistics of a coach who came from a program that literally DEFINED not "all that great" before he got there, and which he raised to a level of respectability they had literally never before achieved. But that performance wasn't good enough for fans, who used HIS STATS to denigrate him--before he'd even coached a game here.

Kinda thought that was the playbook here. :thumb:

Are you comparing Stitt to Baer? You have had a bad week.

No, I'm comparing how one coach's past statistics were handled, versus how another coach's past statistics were handled.

 

[PlayerRep]

Again, if Baer was so bad at UW, and my big Husky fan in Seattle says that Baer closer to good than bad, why didn't UW's defensive stats and record get even worse the year after Baer left. Baer was just sacrificed by Willingham to deflect blame from Willingham. It didn't work. Willingham got fired too.

"Baer's last year, UW was 4-9 and ranked 103 in Total Defense and 92 in Scoring Defense. Not so good.

But the next year, with a new DC, UW was 0-12 and ranked 110 in Total Defense and 116 in Scoring Defense.

Based just on the stats, it doesn't look like Baer as DC was the problem, as the team and the new DC did even worse."

I've already explained that. Try and keep up. :thumb:

You haven't explained anything. You just keep repeating your (incorrect) mantra and making up stuff. Not successful at any step. Ya, right. Just an unsupported big fat lie.