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havgrizfan said:
Are voluntary workouts over? Because I know for a FACT JJ has attended every single one of them and would NOT leave Missoula if they are not over. AGAIN, let me repeat, IF voluntary summer workouts are ongoing, Jordan Johnson is STILL IN MISSOULA. PERIOD!!!!
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Voluntary workouts are not over and yes JJ was attended almost every single one. Let me repeat ALMOST every single one. He was absent this week which voluntary workouts are still ongoing.

Also, if the do try to charge JJ with rape...IF....the victim has the right to not press charges. The prosecutors may still come after JJ but all she would have to say was "I was lying." Just like we saw with the old USC recruit recently.
 
doebrmn said:
If he has received word that the CHE upheld the decision, then he obviously would be free to transfer where ever he wants and would not be bound by his scholarship to UM (i.e., he would not have to get a release from UM since by being expelled his scholarship would be pulled). As already discussed, under NCAA rules he would have to sit out a season and could use his redshirt during that season. Again, given that the original poster has typically been very accurate in his posts, it again makes me wonder whether he is deciding whether to come back and bring the matter to court or whether he has been offered a deal from UM to drop the expulsion in exchange for a transfer. If the CHE ruled against him then his only choice is to accept the decision (which would allow him to transfer) or attempt to overturn it through legal action. I still believe that if the original post is accurate the decision has nothing to do with ongoing the CA investigation.
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infiltrator said:
havgrizfan said:
Also, if the do try to charge JJ with rape...IF....the victim has the right to not press charges. The prosecutors may still come after JJ but all she would have to say was "I was lying." Just like we saw with the old USC recruit recently.
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Most DA's don't take kindly to that. She could then be charged herself.
 
She can simply decline to testify. While date rape is rape, it doesn't quite rise to the level of predatory rape. This is as close to a do over as there can be. It sounds to me like some excellent lawyering and simple good sense. The only looser(s) are a few rabid fans.
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More b.s. from tnt. You can't simply "decline to testify" ---- ever heard of a subpoena? And if she does testify and gives a different account than she had presumably given before---most likely in a sworn statement--- she could be prosecuted for perjury. Most D.A.'s do not take kindly to this kind of behavior, believe me.
 
I'm having a hard time with the notion that he has the freedom to exercise a choice of waltzing out of town to avoid a conviction on a sexually based offense. If JJ stays in Missoula he faces a jury with "a couple of Florios" on it, then where is Gwen Florio on this development? That the alleged "victim" is even considering dropping the charges, even if she could which I very much doubt, after all the shit that has come down on UM over all of this just doesn't get past my bullshit meter.

What if Griz nation were to start a JJ defense fund?
 
tnt said:
She can simply decline to testify. While date rape is rape, it doesn't quite rise to the level of predatory rape. This is as close to a do over as there can be. It sounds to me like some excellent lawyering and simple good sense. The only looser(s) are a few rabid fans.
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What are looser(s) - the way fans get after a morning of tailgating? Loser, on the other hand, you have defined well.
 
We need some clarity in this discussion between the "charges" under the Student Honor Code and any possible criminal charges.There are no criminal charges. So until, if ever, charges are brought---- Jordan Johnson can proceed with his life including transferring to another school. Without a crime being charged, there are simply no restrictions on him.

As to the Honor Code violation which is (I am told) at the Board of Regents level---- I could see a negotiated agreement whereby Jordan Johnson would leave the University of Montana---that,after all, is the sanction the honor code violation is seeking, and in turn there would be no finding of expulsion and Johnson would further agree to not pursue any legal remedies against either the University or any of the individual's involved. Such an agreement is purely speculative on my part, but I see at as a possibility.

It's also possible that JJ just decides to leave, in effect submitting to the expulsion order of the Honor Code court, but remaining free to pursue any legal remedies against the school or any particular individuals, including the complaining witness and accuser.
 
TxGriz said:
I'm having a hard time with the notion that he has the freedom to exercise a choice of waltzing out of town to avoid a conviction on a sexually based offense. If JJ stays in Missoula he faces a jury with "a couple of Florios" on it, then where is Gwen Florio on this development? That the alleged "victim" is even considering dropping the charges, even if she could which I very much doubt, after all the shit that has come down on UM over all of this just doesn't get past my bullshit meter.

What if Griz nation were to start a JJ defense fund?
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That would be guaranteed to spring Gwen into action. Special edition....
 
grizfromhel said:
We need some clarity in this discussion between the "charges" under the Student Honor Code and any possible criminal charges.There are no criminal charges. So until, if ever, charges are brought---- Jordan Johnson can proceed with his life including transferring to another school. Without a crime being charged, there are simply no restrictions on him.

As to the Honor Code violation which is (I am told) at the Board of Regents level---- I could see a negotiated agreement whereby Jordan Johnson would leave the University of Montana---that,after all, is the sanction the honor code violation is seeking, and in turn there would be no finding of expulsion and Johnson would further agree to not pursue any legal remedies against either the University or any of the individual's involved. Such an agreement is purely speculative on my part, but I see at as a possibility.

It's also possible that JJ just decides to leave, in effect submitting to the expulsion order of the Honor Code court, but remaining free to pursue any legal remedies against the school or any particular individuals, including the complaining witness and accuser.
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I think you have it.
 
With all due respect to his current teammates if the choices as infiltrator lists are 100% accurate I see JJ hitting the road and heading to Portland.
 
kemajic said:
grizfromhel said:
We need some clarity in this discussion between the "charges" under the Student Honor Code and any possible criminal charges.There are no criminal charges. So until, if ever, charges are brought---- Jordan Johnson can proceed with his life including transferring to another school. Without a crime being charged, there are simply no restrictions on him.

As to the Honor Code violation which is (I am told) at the Board of Regents level---- I could see a negotiated agreement whereby Jordan Johnson would leave the University of Montana---that,after all, is the sanction the honor code violation is seeking, and in turn there would be no finding of expulsion and Johnson would further agree to not pursue any legal remedies against either the University or any of the individual's involved. Such an agreement is purely speculative on my part, but I see at as a possibility.

It's also possible that JJ just decides to leave, in effect submitting to the expulsion order of the Honor Code court, but remaining free to pursue any legal remedies against the school or any particular individuals, including the complaining witness and accuser.
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I think you have it.
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Maybe, I have a different outlook than a guy, in his early 20's. Honestly, if innocent, why not fight for your 100% innocence? One way, or the other, even if everything ends perfect for JJ here, this will stick with him in his life.

Fight it, JJ!!!
 
Additionally, if JJ transfers to pac-12, since that has been hinted at as well, he would lose a year eligibility. Im pretty sure FCS to FBS transfers lose a year.
 
hm.grwn.grizfan said:
JJ has no more redshirt....Correct me if im wrong here, but just because he transfers that doesn't mean he gets the redshirt back.
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Have you read the thread? You are wrong. His redshirt has never been used, so it's not clear what you mean by getting it back. It is still available to him - 5 years to play four. He can redshirt and still have two years elligibility wherever he goes.
 
kemajic said:
hm.grwn.grizfan said:
JJ has no more redshirt....Correct me if im wrong here, but just because he transfers that doesn't mean he gets the redshirt back.
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Have you read the thread? You are wrong. His redshirt has never been used, so it's not clear what you mean by getting it back. It is still available to him - 5 years to play four. He can redshirt and still have two years elligibility wherever he goes.
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I have read the thread, and Im positive Pflu burned the redshirt, then played him a few times after Selle was injured.
 
kemajic said:
hm.grwn.grizfan said:
JJ has no more redshirt....Correct me if im wrong here, but just because he transfers that doesn't mean he gets the redshirt back.
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Have you read the thread? You are wrong. His redshirt has never been used, so it's not clear what you mean by getting it back. It is still available to him - 5 years to play four. He can redshirt and still have two years elligibility wherever he goes.
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Why are people implying that JJ doesn't get his redshirt back? I thought he played his freshman year so he should still have a red shirt year available as Kemijic said? Seems a lot of people are confused about this.
 
I was under the impression that JJ's redshirt was burned his freshman year, then when Selle went down JJ backed up Roper, and played sparingly. Werent alot of people pretty upset when Pflu did this? I remember it being discussed on here quite a bit.
 
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