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Let me start by saying I know absolutely no facts regarding the School Disciplinary proceedings or what is going on at the CA office. But based on all the posts a couple things come to mind.
First, from everything published, it seems like a decision on the School issue has happened or going to happen in the very near future. It is possible that the decision was made and came out against JJ, hence he left town to decide whether to stay and move onto the Court or transfer. My question with that is that it would seem to be difficult to simply transfer if you have just been expelled from another University. Is it possible that the School has indicated that if he transfers it will suspend the disclinary proceedings so that he can transfer without an expulsion on his record. In fact, I have wondered whether his attorney has approached the University with such an agreement. He clearly has the opportunity to play at just about any FCS school he wants (and some FBS schools), but many of those opporunities may not exist if he has an expulsion on his record.
Second, as for the CA, it is true that whether to charge is solely in the discretion of the CA and not dependent on what an accused wants. However, without clear physical evidence and good circumstantial evidence it is highly unlikely the CA would bring the case if the accuser has indicated that she would not willfully testify. I doubt the accuser in this case has made any indication in this regard. If she (through her attorney) has told the CA that she would not want to pursue the case if JJ transfers, that would likely be enough for the CA to fold the whole case. Since it hasn't, my guess is that she has not made any such offers.
Third, I think many of the posts on this board confuse the ongoing criminal investigation with the School discipinary proceedings. While clearly one (criminal charges) can lead to the other (school discipline), School discipline is not dependent on on the first. My guess (notice the word I use) is that the school decison was based on more than simply an alleged crime. It likely found violations of other provision of the honor code to hang its hat on and that will likey not change. Myself I would not want to hinge my future on some academic (Commissioner of higher education) going against the School and its president. I think it would be wise (if possible) to resolve the school issues with an agreement to transfer (if such an option is available) and then wait to see what happens with the criminal proceedings. It doesn't matter if you are enrolled at UM, PSU or anywhere else if the CA decides to charge. Wherever you are your football career is going to be put on hold but if you stay at UM it is likely completely over regardless of the outcome.
Again, just a guess, but my guess is that JJ is either (1) deciding whether to transfer in exchange for some type of an agreement on a favorable resolution of the School proceedings and that it is not related to the CA proceedings or (2) has received unfavorable news and is deciding whether to transfer or go to Court to overturn an adverse ruling from the CHE.
First, from everything published, it seems like a decision on the School issue has happened or going to happen in the very near future. It is possible that the decision was made and came out against JJ, hence he left town to decide whether to stay and move onto the Court or transfer. My question with that is that it would seem to be difficult to simply transfer if you have just been expelled from another University. Is it possible that the School has indicated that if he transfers it will suspend the disclinary proceedings so that he can transfer without an expulsion on his record. In fact, I have wondered whether his attorney has approached the University with such an agreement. He clearly has the opportunity to play at just about any FCS school he wants (and some FBS schools), but many of those opporunities may not exist if he has an expulsion on his record.
Second, as for the CA, it is true that whether to charge is solely in the discretion of the CA and not dependent on what an accused wants. However, without clear physical evidence and good circumstantial evidence it is highly unlikely the CA would bring the case if the accuser has indicated that she would not willfully testify. I doubt the accuser in this case has made any indication in this regard. If she (through her attorney) has told the CA that she would not want to pursue the case if JJ transfers, that would likely be enough for the CA to fold the whole case. Since it hasn't, my guess is that she has not made any such offers.
Third, I think many of the posts on this board confuse the ongoing criminal investigation with the School discipinary proceedings. While clearly one (criminal charges) can lead to the other (school discipline), School discipline is not dependent on on the first. My guess (notice the word I use) is that the school decison was based on more than simply an alleged crime. It likely found violations of other provision of the honor code to hang its hat on and that will likey not change. Myself I would not want to hinge my future on some academic (Commissioner of higher education) going against the School and its president. I think it would be wise (if possible) to resolve the school issues with an agreement to transfer (if such an option is available) and then wait to see what happens with the criminal proceedings. It doesn't matter if you are enrolled at UM, PSU or anywhere else if the CA decides to charge. Wherever you are your football career is going to be put on hold but if you stay at UM it is likely completely over regardless of the outcome.
Again, just a guess, but my guess is that JJ is either (1) deciding whether to transfer in exchange for some type of an agreement on a favorable resolution of the School proceedings and that it is not related to the CA proceedings or (2) has received unfavorable news and is deciding whether to transfer or go to Court to overturn an adverse ruling from the CHE.
indian-outlaw
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Ashamed said:
He just can't help it.
Bambinobliss
Member
Argh, what's your line of thinking?argh! said:
OptimusPrime
Well-known member
This. He's too busy on his high horse for our silly questions. I apologize Kem and bow to your unwavering intelligence on all things.indian-outlaw said:
ray: ray: ray:
Bambinobliss
Member
argh! said:
“If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is ‘God is crying’. And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is ‘Probably because of something you did.” ― Jack Handey
George Ferguson
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Are voluntary workouts over? Because I know for a FACT JJ has attended every single one of them and would NOT leave Missoula if they are not over. AGAIN, let me repeat, IF voluntary summer workouts are ongoing, Jordan Johnson is STILL IN MISSOULA. PERIOD!!!!
George Ferguson
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also, THE girl dropping everything if JJ leaves Montana is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It just doesn't work that way. Sorry, not accusing inflitrator of making this stuff up, but it just doesn't work like that. SHE doesn't get to just up and decide something like that so I'm not buying that one either.
George Ferguson
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LASTLY, while stil under scholarship with Montana, which JJ is per Mick Delaney at the Big Sky kickoff, I don't think he can have discussions with PSU or they him..AND I'm pretty sure Nigel Burton and JJ both know this, so I don't think there's anything to him, transferring to PSU as of this moment.
jcu27
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Yeah. This woman isn't a judge. She can't decide to drop a charge or charge someone. Plus with this on going and him leaving the state would probably get him in some trouble. And if he's innocent he should stay and prove it. From everything I heard it should be faily easy to get all this dropped. And anyone that is raped doesn't just say if you leave the state it's ok.. Complete horse shit. If she did tell that crap to JJ and he believed it, he must not be very intelligent. This just sounds like a bs rumor though. Plus I don't think JJ would just leave now, he has already been fighting against this crap. If she did offer him this she probably just has something against him(obviously) and wants to scare him. Hopefully, if true, he didn't fall for that idiotic line. She probably knows JJ can get off this easily.
jcu27
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I know he hasn't been charged, but he has been accused. It would not look good if he left the state. And it's still possible he could be tried. When there is an on going investigation(if there is) I don't think you can leave the state without permission and you'd everything transferred to the other state if approved. Which would be pointless anyways. He's in the same boat where ever he goes. He misewell stay and try to prove he is not guilty here. The only reason I could see why he'd leave is if he was guilt. But, no matter what this is going to follow him everywhere he goes. No matter the outcome.Hammer said:
If he has received word that the CHE upheld the decision, then he obviously would be free to transfer where ever he wants and would not be bound by his scholarship to UM (i.e., he would not have to get a release from UM since by being expelled his scholarship would be pulled). As already discussed, under NCAA rules he would have to sit out a season and could use his redshirt during that season. Again, given that the original poster has typically been very accurate in his posts, it again makes me wonder whether he is deciding whether to come back and bring the matter to court or whether he has been offered a deal from UM to drop the expulsion in exchange for a transfer. If the CHE ruled against him then his only choice is to accept the decision (which would allow him to transfer) or attempt to overturn it through legal action. I still believe that if the original post is accurate the decision has nothing to do with ongoing the CA investigation.
