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Joining the Mountain West would run an $8MM - $9MM annual deficit - can we overcome that?

FBS is just something we cannot afford, lets focus on winning at the level we are at right now.
Been doing a deep dive on this with updated 2025 figures and honestly the numbers are even rougher than the old analyses floating around. Some of this has already been called out in this thread and is redundant, but its not pretty, buckle up.


The Buy-In


Using NDSU as the comp (most recent FCS → MW transition), we're looking at $5M to the NCAA for reclassification plus $12.5M to the Mountain West as an entry fee — about $7M due on day one, rest paid over 5 years. That's $17.5M just to walk in the door. NDSU ran a "Climb the Mountain" donor campaign that raised ~$25M to cover this. Montana would need something similar.


The New MW TV Deal Is Not What You Think


A lot of people are still using the old $6-7M per school figure. That was the old deal. The new contract (CBS/Fox/The CW/Kiswe streaming) is actually worse — legacy schools are guaranteed their current ~$3.5M floor, but here's the kicker: under the NDSU model, new members don't get full distributions for six years. We'd realistically be collecting $1.5-2M/year in conference money while paying full FBS operating costs. That ramp-up period is brutal.


The Contractual Spending Trap


This is the part nobody talks about. Buried in NDSU's membership agreement is a clause requiring them to maintain a football budget "reasonably comparable" to the league average and if they fall below a 50% win rate in conference, they're required to raise their budget above the MW average. Nevada's football budget alone is ~$14.8M. Ours is well under $10M. That's not a gap you close quietly.


The Full Picture


Running the numbers on a stabilized Year 3-4 budget:


Revenue comes in around $32-37M when you factor in conference distributions (reduced), ticket revenue, boosters, and guarantee games. Expenses, once you account for jumping from 63 to 85 scholarships, FBS coaching salaries, national travel, non-football sports upgrades, and House settlement athlete payments run $54-65M.


That's an $18-30M annual structural deficit. Every year. For years.


Over the full first decade you're probably looking at $17.5M in buy-in costs plus $200M+ in cumulative deficits before the program approaches sustainability. You'd need the donor campaign, significant student fee hikes, and realistically some state legislature support (I know, I know) to make it work long-term.

We all know the brand is there. The fanbase is there. Washington-Grizzly on a fall Saturday is genuinely FBS-caliber in atmosphere. But the balance sheet isn't and unlike NDSU, which spent years quietly building infrastructure specifically aimed at this move, we'd be going in without that runway.


Not saying never. Saying it would take a decade-long institutional commitment and probably needs to start with a serious facilities push before a conference application even makes sense.
This is what people on SM have been saying, what have UM's AD Dept been doing the last 5 years while most schools have been pursuing the move up and initiating fundraising campaigns. I heard on this forum that there is some plan for west side stadium expansion but Kent won't announce it or announce funding campaign, if true, why. Be vocal about it so recruits and people know your trying.

Any information from AD on potential jersey patches sponsors and revenue, 2 patches are allowed on all jerseys, six months to season any word on this.
 
Not true, well maybe true in the big sky. The 2025 NCAA Tournament, the Mountain West Conference received approximately 12 million in revenue from its 6 units earned by teams. The more teams in the tournament means more money. The big sky is only a one bid league. Hence the move up.
Football money is what drives conference realignment, not basketball money. Stick to soccer.
 
This is what people on SM have been saying, what have UM's AD Dept been doing the last 5 years while most schools have been pursuing the move up and initiating fundraising campaigns. I heard on this forum that there is some plan for west side stadium expansion but Kent won't announce it or announce funding campaign, if true, why. Be vocal about it so recruits and people know your trying.

Any information from AD on potential jersey patches sponsors and revenue, 2 patches are allowed on all jerseys, six months to season any word on this.
Except he did talk about in Colters interview and literally said we're waiting for a split. Look, the bottom line is the school and the state are not paying for it and anyone that thinks that will change is on better drugs then I've ever had. Everyone's expectations of a move up are wasted energy unless they can personally find $15-$20 mil in private donors. So if you really expect a move up, quit bitching on eGriz about how lazy the AD is and go out and actively recruit the donors yourself. Outside of that, its never happening. My better judgement though says everyone will just stick to complaining on eGriz cus thats easier.
 
Except he did talk about in Colters interview and literally said we're waiting for a split. Look, the bottom line is the school and the state are not paying for it and anyone that thinks that will change is on better drugs then I've ever had. Everyone's expectations of a move up are wasted energy unless they can personally find $15-$20 mil in private donors. So if you really expect a move up, quit bitching on eGriz about how lazy the AD is and go out and actively recruit the donors yourself. Outside of that, its never happening. My better judgement though says everyone will just stick to complaining on eGriz cus thats easier.
Bill Foley who owns the Golden Knights hockey team is worth 2.5 billion. His grandson was on the Griz football team and some of his other grandchildren went to UM. There are people with money in Montana.
 
Sure but 5280 is an AI. They're not a normal citizen. Not yet anyway.
I know his grandson because I know people who have played for the Griz recently unlike you. Anyone on this site can call him up. He is part of your army of realtors. Not a bad gig in Whitefish where the average sales price is over $1.1m. As far as Bill Foley the athletic department would be better to reach out. He also owns Whitefish Resort which would likely grow if UM grew in popularity with out of state students so he has a financial reason to invest in moving up.
 
Bill Foley who owns the Golden Knights hockey team is worth 2.5 billion. His grandson was on the Griz football team and some of his other grandchildren went to UM. There are people with money in Montana.
If this is the case, might be a good marketing opportunity for Jersey patches. Has anyone with in the AD Dept reached out, if you don't ask you never know.
 
Except he did talk about in Colters interview and literally said we're waiting for a split. Look, the bottom line is the school and the state are not paying for it and anyone that thinks that will change is on better drugs then I've ever had. Everyone's expectations of a move up are wasted energy unless they can personally find $15-$20 mil in private donors. So if you really expect a move up, quit bitching on eGriz about how lazy the AD is and go out and actively recruit the donors yourself. Outside of that, its never happening. My better judgement though says everyone will just stick to complaining on eGriz cus thats easier.

Except he did talk about in Colters interview and literally said we're waiting for a split. Look, the bottom line is the school and the state are not paying for it and anyone that thinks that will change is on better drugs then I've ever had. Everyone's expectations of a move up are wasted energy unless they can personally find $15-$20 mil in private donors. So if you really expect a move up, quit bitching on eGriz about how lazy the AD is and go out and actively recruit the donors yourself. Outside of that, its never happening. My better judgement though says everyone will just stick to complaining on eGriz cus thats easier.
Again, waiting, what's being done proactively if there is a split in 2030, how is AD positioning the dept to get invited. NDSU move up just didn't happen overnight, they been planning this over the last several years, not waiting.
 
If this is the case, might be a good marketing opportunity for Jersey patches. Has anyone with in the AD Dept reached out, if you don't ask you never know.
It probably is a good marketing opportunity in conjunction with Whitefish Resort. As far as I know no one has reached out from the athletic department.
 
It probably is a good marketing opportunity in conjunction with Whitefish Resort. As far as I know no one has reached out from the athletic department.
Is anyone surprised, Jersey Patches are big opportunity, has anybody heard anything within the AD Dept on this, potential sponsors. I know the BSC said about 5-6 months ago, we wanted one single jersey sponsor for all the BSC teams. Is this a good idea, could UM go out and get a better deal.
 
I know his grandson because I know people who have played for the Griz recently unlike you. Anyone on this site can call him up. He is part of your army of realtors. Not a bad gig in Whitefish where the average sales price is over $1.1m. As far as Bill Foley the athletic department would be better to reach out. He also owns Whitefish Resort which would likely grow if UM grew in popularity with out of state students so he has a financial reason to invest in moving up.
Someone get him on the phone, Jersey patches, new naming rights for the football stadium.
 
Except he did talk about in Colters interview and literally said we're waiting for a split. Look, the bottom line is the school and the state are not paying for it and anyone that thinks that will change is on better drugs then I've ever had. Everyone's expectations of a move up are wasted energy unless they can personally find $15-$20 mil in private donors. So if you really expect a move up, quit bitching on eGriz about how lazy the AD is and go out and actively recruit the donors yourself. Outside of that, its never happening. My better judgement though says everyone will just stick to complaining on eGriz cus thats easier.
Waiting around, not controlling your own destiny, seems to be theme with him. what happens if he waits and does nothing, the split comes and no invite due to not being proactive.
 
Is anyone surprised, Jersey Patches are big opportunity, has anybody heard anything within the AD Dept on this, potential sponsors. I know the BSC said about 5-6 months ago, we wanted one single jersey sponsor for all the BSC teams. Is this a good idea, could UM go out and get a better deal.
We need to tell the BSC to pound sand on this and demand a bigger slice of the pie along with MSU and even Idaho. We're the top brands of the Conference, we should be getting more in general right now and shouldn't have to be a charity case for the other teams, or share in jersey patches equally.
 
We need to tell the BSC to pound sand on this and demand a bigger slice of the pie along with MSU and even Idaho. We're the top brands of the Conference, we should be getting more in general right now and shouldn't have to be a charity case for the other teams, or share in jersey patches equally.
This is stated over and over, but UM/MSU have zero leverage. Why would the others agree to give them more?
 
This is stated over and over, but UM/MSU have zero leverage. Why would the others agree to give them more?
Considering we're the schools that constantly get the ESPN games, and now the Vegas matchup I think we have a bit of leverage. The argument could easily be made that we are the reason that ESPN has a deal with the Big Sky to begin in the first place.
 
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