Johnson, and now Kemp, hung out to dry

[AllWeatherFan]

How hard is that to understand?

Oh, we understand. We just think you are missing the point about Kemp.

 

[Silvertip]

How hard is that to understand?

Oh, we understand. We just think you are missing the point about Kemp.

Who's "we" Kermo Sabe?.. check the bottle count on your next Moose Drool purchase. Justice delayed is justice denied

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Who's "we" Kermo Sabe?

We who have stated that the point is Mr. Kemp breaking a team rule, not public relations.

 

[dsprout]

Growler....hopefully, you aren't correct about hiring Gee. If Engstrom does make her permanent AD, Engstrom should be tared and feathered and run out of town.

No woman should EVER been the AD of a Division I school.

The last I heard over 50% of the people living in the US are female, so mathematically you have eliminated 1/2 of the possible candidates. But I infer from your sexist comment that that is just fine because all women are not capable of shouldering the responsibilities that might befall an AD. I am sure you have been following the Penn State scandal- question: How many women were involved in all or any stages of that hideous situation?
Since you have such an open mind, you might want to check out the following link.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/15/us/triponey-paterno-penn-state/index.html?hpt=hp_c1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[OptimusPrime]

Sad to see a large story in Coeur d' Alene paper this morning, about the dysfunctional football rogram at Montana.
E. U. must be eating it up. For myself I hated to see it in the press. By the way the EU field gives me a head ache everytime I watch a game there. Someone should be shot for that ugly place.
Miles city

Mark, I fail to see what the European Union has to do with this, and I believe, they care more about "soccer" than "football."
Billings

 

[Silvertip]

Who's "we" Kermo Sabe?

We who have stated that the point is Mr. Kemp breaking a team rule, not public relations.

Try staying on point... By now you should know, but apparently don't. that it is not about guilt or innocence, but the piss poor way it is being adjudicated. So far both Johnson and Kemp have been judged to a greater degree by the court of public opinion while the BOR, Engstrom et waffle about mired in enertia. Even you AWF, committing the egregious act of littering would deserve your timely day in court. Read all of my 1:26 PM offering...probably for the first time.

 

[kemajic]

Growler....hopefully, you aren't correct about hiring Gee. If Engstrom does make her permanent AD, Engstrom should be tared and feathered and run out of town.

No woman should EVER been the AD of a Division I school.

Just ask ASU.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Who's "we" Kermo Sabe?

We who have stated that the point is Mr. Kemp breaking a team rule, not public relations.

Try staying on point... By now you should know, but apparently don't. that it is not about guilt or innocence, but the piss poor way it is being adjudicated. So far both Johnson and Kemp have been judged to a greater degree by the court of public opinion while the BOR, Engstrom et waffle about mired in enertia. Even you AWF, committing the egregious act of littering would deserve your timely day in court. Read all of my 1:26 PM offering...probably for the first time.

Even despite your lofty intelligence, we'll do our best to keep up.

Oh, and inertia starts with an 'i.'

Day in court? For violating a team rule? Don't make me laugh!

Gerald needs to follow the rules. I'll repeat it again if you're having trouble comprehending.

 

[dsprout]

Growler....hopefully, you aren't correct about hiring Gee. If Engstrom does make her permanent AD, Engstrom should be tared and feathered and run out of town.

No woman should EVER been the AD of a Division I school.

Just ask ASU.

Incompetence and ignorance know no gender as EGRIZ frequently illustrates.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

No woman should EVER been the AD of a Division I school.

Now let's try expressing that thought in a sentence. On second thought...nah.

 

[Grizfan-24]

Who's "we" Kermo Sabe?

We who have stated that the point is Mr. Kemp breaking a team rule, not public relations.

Try staying on point... By now you should know, but apparently don't. that it is not about guilt or innocence, but the piss poor way it is being adjudicated. So far both Johnson and Kemp have been judged to a greater degree by the court of public opinion while the BOR, Engstrom et waffle about mired in enertia. Even you AWF, committing the egregious act of littering would deserve your timely day in court. Read all of my 1:26 PM offering...probably for the first time.

I don't or wouldn't dispute that this process has been handled poorly. Yet, I am not sure how surprising this all is considering the current political climate in the U.S.. As I have noted a lot of other places, if we allow the process to be handled publicly there is little chance that justice will prevail for either side. I don't disagree with anything you assert in this regard. I just question rather the intelligence of which the debate around Kemp and Johnson has been structured.

If this is truly about their guilt or innocence and not their position on the football program then fine. They deserve as all students of the UofM the proper dissemination of facts and their ability to show/prove the guilt or innocence. But if people are truly riled up and care more about this issue because they are visible members of our football program and want to ensure that they are taken care of in an extra special way, then yikes. I wonder how much people really would care if Kemp or Johnson were just students, how much of an issue anyone would or would be making over these events.

But you are right, things have been handled poorly. By all sides.

 

[MrTitleist]

This pretty much proves what quite a few people think: Jean Gee is in way over her head in this AD gig.

O'Day was over his head too. He was unqualified to be the AD. He would have been great as head of fund raising.

If tradition holds, it will be Jean Gee being named permanent AD. UM practices nepotism and always hires from within. This incestuous in-breeding has caused many of the problems we face today. I have been a staunch critic of this practice for many years.

I would have a problem with this hiring, if the nepotism continues.

 

[Grizbacker1]

This pretty much proves what quite a few people think: Jean Gee is in way over her head in this AD gig.

O'Day was over his head too. He was unqualified to be the AD. He would have been great as head of fund raising.

If tradition holds, it will be Jean Gee being named permanent AD. UM practices nepotism and always hires from within. This incestuous in-breeding has caused many of the problems we face today. I have been a staunch critic of this practice for many years.

Jean Gee is not going to be named AD. That will leave your wrong percentage right at 100% of the time. :loser:

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I must be in the minority here, but I don't see them as being hung out to dry. I see them as young men who for one reason or another have stepped across the big white line in the sand. They have violated one rule or another. Is it tweets, being in the wrong place, or whatever their misdeed is their actions have put them there. One easy way to make sure that Kemp or Johnson or anyone else for that matter isn't on the political crap list is not do the stuff they aren't supposed to do in the first place.

This isn't Gee's, Engstroms or someone elses misdoings that put them there. Lets not forget that. I think we do because it seems that we all want to do what Penn State and other colleges have done for decades, which is not holding people accountable for their behavior. Even if Kemp and Johnson didn't do what they were accused of, they and they alone made some questionable decision making to put themselves there. They made their own bed.

I am sympathetic to their plight and they both should get their ability to present their case, but not at the expense of brushing stuff under the rug anymore. Like it or not, this is not the climate for patience and prudence. They and others have been crossing that white line entirely too often and faced little or no punishment for those misdeeds. So if that means for the time being Kemp, Johnson and others are shown the door for incredibly poor judgement than that is how it needs to be for a while. There cannot be stink attached to this program from here on out or the political winds will make sure the program will ensure they are given the death penalty and play in front of sparse crowds and no scholarships.

This isn't about wins and losses. This isn't about starting quarterbacks, the football program or some political gambit. All about doing things the right way and with a clear white line that these players know not to cross.

I agree

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[Grizlaw]

I must be in the minority here, but I don't see them as being hung out to dry. I see them as young men who for one reason or another have stepped across the big white line in the sand. They have violated one rule or another. Is it tweets, being in the wrong place, or whatever their misdeed is their actions have put them there. One easy way to make sure that Kemp or Johnson or anyone else for that matter isn't on the political crap list is not do the stuff they aren't supposed to do in the first place.

This isn't Gee's, Engstroms or someone elses misdoings that put them there. Lets not forget that. I think we do because it seems that we all want to do what Penn State and other colleges have done for decades, which is not holding people accountable for their behavior. Even if Kemp and Johnson didn't do what they were accused of, they and they alone made some questionable decision making to put themselves there. They made their own bed.

I am sympathetic to their plight and they both should get their ability to present their case, but not at the expense of brushing stuff under the rug anymore. Like it or not, this is not the climate for patience and prudence. They and others have been crossing that white line entirely too often and faced little or no punishment for those misdeeds. So if that means for the time being Kemp, Johnson and others are shown the door for incredibly poor judgement than that is how it needs to be for a while. There cannot be stink attached to this program from here on out or the political winds will make sure the program will ensure they are given the death penalty and play in front of sparse crowds and no scholarships.

This isn't about wins and losses. This isn't about starting quarterbacks, the football program or some political gambit. All about doing things the right way and with a clear white line that these players know not to cross.

I agree

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I'm with you guys too, for whatever it's worth...

And that doesn't mean I'm passing any kind of judgment on JJ or Kemp. I don't even know what Kemp's "team rules violation" was, and there are legitimate questions about whether JJ's situation was handled in a way that didn't violate his due process rights. Both of them are entitled to their day in...not "court," but they're entitled to whatever process their respective situations allow them. But if, after exhausting that process, the result is that they're no longer members of the Griz football team, then that's the way it is, and it's the right result. The players need to realize that the environment at UM is changing, and they have to behave accordingly.

 

[mcg]

Why do so many egrizzers continue to miss the point :?: From Engstrom running on down the pecking order to Delaney and Gee it has not been the right or wrong of the decisions, but the abysmally horrible way in which they've been executed! Really. How hard is that to understand?

From Ol Royce canning two high profile administrators together and without the presence of a third witnessing party or an exit strategy to the Saudi student gaff to Mick and Jean stumbling all over themselves with the Kemp matter we have consumate amateurs dealing in matters at the highest level at UM. The snippet about Kemp's dismissal followed on the same page with a couple of lines saying "it might not be so" also showed up in today's Denver Post. A smug RE continues to sit silently in his Main Hall office while a growing legion at home and abroad wonders what the hell is going on with UM?
The answer: Nothing good.

PS: If you're commenting on anything I or anybody else posts please read all of it first - lest you sound like you're a couple bottles short of a six-pack... a shoutout to Grizfan 24 among others.

I think the whole "thing" is a leadership failure of unprecedented magnitude. The basic crises management drill is to state the problem then state the specific steps being taken to correct the problem. This allows everyone involved to understand the why and how of the crises and what will be done to remedy the situation.

Neither step has occurred here. President Engstrom has never stated what problem is setting out to fix, and he's never stated what steps will be required to fix it. Thus we are left with internet rumor based s**t-storm.

If there is a real problem, I think it should be addressed; but I'm just an ordinary citizen of Griz-Nation and I don't know what the problem is. There is lot's of speculation, but it is a fact that President Engstrom has never stated what problem the dismissal of the JOD and RF was intended remedy, nor has he ever stated what changes are required in the athletic department to fix the problem. We are left with nothing more than a proud tradition set adrift. It's pathetic.

 

[mcg]

And to be clear, if there is a problem with sexual assault by members of the football, that problem has to be addressed. The issue is that there is zero communication from the top as to what the problem might be.

 

[Growler1]

I must be in the minority here, but I don't see them as being hung out to dry. I see them as young men who for one reason or another have stepped across the big white line in the sand. They have violated one rule or another. Is it tweets, being in the wrong place, or whatever their misdeed is their actions have put them there. One easy way to make sure that Kemp or Johnson or anyone else for that matter isn't on the political crap list is not do the stuff they aren't supposed to do in the first place.

This isn't Gee's, Engstroms or someone elses misdoings that put them there. Lets not forget that. I think we do because it seems that we all want to do what Penn State and other colleges have done for decades, which is not holding people accountable for their behavior. Even if Kemp and Johnson didn't do what they were accused of, they and they alone made some questionable decision making to put themselves there. They made their own bed.

I am sympathetic to their plight and they both should get their ability to present their case, but not at the expense of brushing stuff under the rug anymore. Like it or not, this is not the climate for patience and prudence. They and others have been crossing that white line entirely too often and faced little or no punishment for those misdeeds. So if that means for the time being Kemp, Johnson and others are shown the door for incredibly poor judgement than that is how it needs to be for a while. There cannot be stink attached to this program from here on out or the political winds will make sure the program will ensure they are given the death penalty and play in front of sparse crowds and no scholarships.

This isn't about wins and losses. This isn't about starting quarterbacks, the football program or some political gambit. All about doing things the right way and with a clear white line that these players know not to cross.

I agree

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I'm with you guys too, for whatever it's worth...

And that doesn't mean I'm passing any kind of judgment on JJ or Kemp. I don't even know what Kemp's "team rules violation" was, and there are legitimate questions about whether JJ's situation was handled in a way that didn't violate his due process rights. Both of them are entitled to their day in...not "court," but they're entitled to whatever process their respective situations allow them. But if, after exhausting that process, the result is that they're no longer members of the Griz football team, then that's the way it is, and it's the right result. The players need to realize that the environment at UM is changing, and they have to behave accordingly.

+1. The Montana Grizzly football program is moving forward, with or without the win-at-all-cost crowd.

 

[Silvertip]

Who's "we" Kermo Sabe?

We who have stated that the point is Mr. Kemp breaking a team rule, not public relations.

Try staying on point... By now you should know, but apparently don't. that it is not about guilt or innocence, but the piss poor way it is being adjudicated. So far both Johnson and Kemp have been judged to a greater degree by the court of public opinion while the BOR, Engstrom et waffle about mired in enertia. Even you AWF, committing the egregious act of littering would deserve your timely day in court. Read all of my 1:26 PM offering...probably for the first time.

Even despite your lofty intelligence, we'll do our best to keep up.

Oh, and inertia starts with an 'i.'

Day in court? For violating a team rule? Don't make me laugh!

Gerald needs to follow the rules. I'll repeat it again if you're having trouble comprehending.

No thanks. Sloppy spelling is the first clue that I've already grown weary with someone who delights in repeating himself ad nauseum.

 

[Umista]

Gerald Kemp has problems with the head coach. Jordy Johnson has problems with a sex issue. Both problems are light years apart and should not be put in the same basket.

Kemp got his teet in a ringer for arguing with the coaches and allowed his temper to get in the way of good judgement.....!

Johnson got his way with a female that was acting 2 hot for the situation. Judgement failed perhaps.

On Kemp, Mick simply kicked his butt off the team for acting like an idiot child. However he also said at the time if Kemp mans up etc. he would consider placing him back on the team (with conditions). Our wonder woman, Ms Gee took the first part and fed the fire, made the announcement with a total lack of understanding the problem. Like in a rush to judgement that seems to have caught on at the U since R.E. took over.

Johnson is another story we have beat to death. Not similar to Kemps.

I won't go as far as Sir Growler but I will jump in and state "we will have a serious AD laxative issue at the U if Jean Gee is selected by La president."

For my own entertainment I will also not wish a bull dike or a flop like Obama to become AD. Eh Growler?