JJ Trial

[go4two]

it takes two to tango and not everyone is telling the truth, but on the surface everyone is quick to blame the guy. I thought it use to be "innocent until proven guilty", not guilty until proven innocent. Her statements and actions just don't add up. Is JJ totally innocent, probably not but a rapist, no.

It Takes 2 to tango????......

NOT WHEN RAPE IS INVOLVED you friggen tool!!

"Is JJ totally innocent, probably not...."

that is what plea bargains are for....

Gimme a break. I don't believe #1's point was to suggest that JJ did anything criminal, but rather that he wasn't an angel either. If every man that treats women worse than they expect had to plea to charges, the race would cease to exist, because there'd be no men left on the outside to procreate.

But I suspect you know all that, and are just busy trolling away as always.


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Honestly - I am not trolling in the least!! When someone says that "It takes 2 to tango" in a rape trial, I felt the need to point out how big of a dumba$$ he is....

Angel or not I don't know nor I could care less.... This entire trial comes down to one simple question.. DID - SHE - SAY - NO!!!... now if "EVERY MAN" says "ya she said no but.....", then we have a REAL problem on our hands.... but I don't suspect EVERY MAN can put himself in that category now can he....

So you are saying JJ’s fate should come down to whether a jury believes a women story that she said “no,” with nothing to support it besides her supposed “psychological” trauma?


Doesn’t seem fair to me?

 

[RobGriz]

[So, in your opinion, he is guilty?

Not at all. I was SIMPLY pointing out the fact that WHEN RAPE IS INVOLVED, the stronger of the 2 usually finishes that Tango with an unwilling dance partner....

So, in your opinion Rape NEVER HAPPENS?....

How do you there was a rape committed? Is that not the point of the trial? YOU cannot be sure that the "2 to tango" is NOT appropriate anymore than you can be sure that there WAS a rape.

oh good lord... you mental midgets love chasing your tail....

Aren't you one that is Admonishing the very existence of a trial in the first place??

Think you have me confused with someone else. I am all in favor of a trial. I love it when people resort name calling. It adds so much validity to their argument.

 

[spokaneman]

[So, in your opinion, he is guilty?

Not at all. I was SIMPLY pointing out the fact that WHEN RAPE IS INVOLVED, the stronger of the 2 usually finishes that Tango with an unwilling dance partner....

So, in your opinion Rape NEVER HAPPENS?....

How do you there was a rape committed? Is that not the point of the trial? YOU cannot be sure that the "2 to tango" is NOT appropriate anymore than you can be sure that there WAS a rape.

And yes, I was specifically refering to every rape that ever occured anywhere on a thread about the Jordan Johnson rape trial. :roll:

The thing is if someone says 'rape' and you say 'it takes two to tango', then you are really saying that the rape didn't happen. The statement presupposes that rape didn't actually happen, since rape is by definition not 'taking two to tango'.

You can argue that rape didn't happen in this case, but if you put 'it takes two to tango' as a defense of rape, you would be better off addressing the facts of the case rather than a fatuous aphorism.

YA - a Fatuous Aphorism!!.... finally some common sense!! :clap:

 

[GrizMusician]

Amen, GRIZ Musician !!! The nurse practicioneer is not acting as a therapist, TNT, because she is not qualified to do so. She is acting as a doctor would in this rape exam, and as such, she has no business nor should she be allowed at the facility where Claire Francoeur is employed to act as a buddy or a cheerleader to the alleged victim.

If a nurse or doctor does this, their objectivity and professional judgement were and should be called into question by the defense.

These personal text messages have at least severely damaged or destroyed the credibility of Claire Francoeur as an objective, medical professional that provided not psychotherapy for the patient, for which she is not qualified to do so, but as a medical professional providing a physical exam to an alleged rape victim.

:thumb:

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[GrizMusician]

Dafuq???

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[PolsonGrizFan]

Paoli says text message woman sent said that Colling said woman was one of several victims assualted by Johnson. #JohnsonTrial

This "several victims" is news to me.

 

[grizchamp]

Paoli says text message woman sent said that Colling said woman was one of several victims assualted by Johnson. #JohnsonTrial

This "several victims" is news to me.

It came up a few days ago in the trial as well. The woman sent the text claiming that the counselor told her there were other victims. Counselor claims to have never said such a thing to woman.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Wonder why the Missoulian is not providing a play by play on their Twitter feed today??

Because they've finally figured out the actual twitter feed contradicts what story they wish to paint. It's a reality vs. fantasy thing.

Wrong. It's because the Missoulian is posting on e-Griz.

 

[spokaneman]

Angel or not I don't know nor I could care less.... This entire trial comes down to one simple question.. DID - SHE - SAY - NO!!!... now if "EVERY MAN" says "ya she said no but.....", then we have a REAL problem on our hands.... but I don't suspect EVERY MAN can put himself in that category now can he....

So you are saying JJ’s fate should come down to whether a jury believes a women story that she said “no,” with nothing to support it besides her supposed “psychological” trauma?


Doesn’t seem fair to me?

Yes my addled friend that is what I am saying... JUST AS EVERY TRIAL EVER has... The State says "I think you did this and here is the evidence I will use to prove that you did"... The Defense says "I did not do it and will dispute your evidence"...

While it does not seem fair to you, that is the way it is.... I did not think it was fair that the Griz had the secondary that they did last year, but that is the way it was....

 

[billingsgriz]

Alleged victim has some 'splaining to do over this claim refuted by Colling.

Yes, I admit I am biased towards Johnson's side in this trial, but I think even the alleged victim's family have some reservations about her credibility.

I know I am a total shill for JJ, but if some young lass takes me in her bedroom, kisses me on her bed, allows me to take her shirt off followed closely by her bra, starts rubbing my junk, and then stradles me, I just might think she is interested in more than a platonic relationship !!!

I know...I am a sexist pig and a repressor of Gyno-Americans and if makes you all feel better, I am applying to appear on the Dr. Drew show so that I can be treated !!!

 

[JBS]

Paoli says text message woman sent said that Colling said woman was one of several victims assualted by Johnson. #JohnsonTrial

This "several victims" is news to me.

It came up a few days ago in the trial as well. The woman sent the text claiming that the counselor told her there were other victims. Counselor claims to have never said such a thing to woman.

This woman is screwed no matter how she answers. If she did say that, she loses her license and needs to start looking for another line of work. By saying she didn't say it, the prosecution just got clobbered. I think that is huge testimony.

 

[griz4life]

Actually I'd say the Counselor is holding up pretty well..... Kinda took the wind out of paolis sails when she called him a bully The she went on to explain NOBODY would put much stock in texts because of their lack of context.... She pretty much ignores them

Yeah, it's always best when an expert witness testifies she'll say anything the questioner wants to hear when under pressure.

Good grief. Bullied? Colling's statements to Paoli were made during deposition, which is why they were submitted in print during discovery. She not only had the right to consult an attorney before hand about possible questions she would be asked and answers she might give, she had the right to have an attorney present during questioning, she had right to take breaks whenever she wanted, which affords her the opportunity to meet with her lawyer, in private, to talk about how the interview is going, talk about answers she might want to clarify. She can take a break in mid question if she wants.

Depositions aren't fun, but to say you've been bullied into an answer is just wrong. Colling is changing her answer on the witness stand. How she "felt" when she gave her first answer is irrelevant.

 

[JBS]

I'm reading this twitter stuff, not sure how it all works, but I really think that cops and courts is actually Florio. Anyone else think this?

 

[grizchamp]

Paoli says text message woman sent said that Colling said woman was one of several victims assualted by Johnson. #JohnsonTrial

This "several victims" is news to me.

It came up a few days ago in the trial as well. The woman sent the text claiming that the counselor told her there were other victims. Counselor claims to have never said such a thing to woman.

This woman is screwed no matter how she answers. If she did say that, she loses her license and needs to start looking for another line of work. By saying she didn't say it, the prosecution just got clobbered. I think that is huge testimony.

I agree, I think it is a pretty big blow to the credibility of someone. I guess my thought regarding the exchange (admittedly only formed from twitter updates) is this... Someone is lying here and its either the alleged victim or the victim's witness. Either way I don't think it sends a good message to a jury. But maybe that's just me. I felt the prosecution actually did a really good job yesterday after having what I thought was a pretty rough first week. Looks like yesterday may have been an anomaly.

 

[grizchamp]

I'm reading this twitter stuff, not sure how it all works, but I really think that cops and courts is actually Florio. Anyone else think this?

It is

 

[JBS]

Paoli says text message woman sent said that Colling said woman was one of several victims assualted by Johnson. #JohnsonTrial

This "several victims" is news to me.

It came up a few days ago in the trial as well. The woman sent the text claiming that the counselor told her there were other victims. Counselor claims to have never said such a thing to woman.

This woman is screwed no matter how she answers. If she did say that, she loses her license and needs to start looking for another line of work. By saying she didn't say it, the prosecution just got clobbered. I think that is huge testimony.

I agree, I think it is a pretty big blow to the credibility of someone. I guess my thought regarding the exchange (admittedly only formed from twitter updates) is this... Someone is lying here and its either the alleged victim or the victim's witness. Either way I don't think it sends a good message to a jury. But maybe that's just me. I felt the prosecution actually did a really good job yesterday after having what I thought was a pretty rough first week. Looks like yesterday may have been an anomaly.

Also just an observation, as I am quickly losing sympathy for the accuser: She doesn't seem to have any problem dragging someones name through the mud.

 

[TxGriz]

[So, in your opinion, he is guilty?

Not at all. I was SIMPLY pointing out the fact that WHEN RAPE IS INVOLVED, the stronger of the 2 usually finishes that Tango with an unwilling dance partner....

So, in your opinion Rape NEVER HAPPENS?....

How do you there was a rape committed? Is that not the point of the trial? YOU cannot be sure that the "2 to tango" is NOT appropriate anymore than you can be sure that there WAS a rape.

And yes, I was specifically refering to every rape that ever occured anywhere on a thread about the Jordan Johnson rape trial. :roll:

The thing is if someone says 'rape' and you say 'it takes two to tango', then you are really saying that the rape didn't happen. The statement presupposes that rape didn't actually happen, since rape is by definition not 'taking two to tango'.

You can argue that rape didn't happen in this case, but if you put 'it takes two to tango' as a defense of rape, you would be better off addressing the facts of the case rather than a fatuous aphorism.

It takes two to tango, but it takes three to make a sandwich.

 

[bluemarlin2]

It looks like the prosecution and the judge are trying to put as much time between the testimony of Doe and the decision. They have been out of session more than in session. Maybe the judge and jury need some of that stuff Joe Thiesman is selling. By brining up new witnesses and failure to disclose info the prosecution is setting itself up for all kinds of problems.

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

I'm reading this twitter stuff, not sure how it all works, but I really think that cops and courts is actually Florio. Anyone else think this?

It is

I thought it was Keila Spalzer (sp?)

 

[BDizzle]

I'm reading this twitter stuff, not sure how it all works, but I really think that cops and courts is actually Florio. Anyone else think this?

It is

I thought it was Keila Spalzer (sp?)

I believe it changes quite regularly. They each have their own, the Missoulian, and Cops&Courts.