JJ Trial

[BWahlberg]

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[argh!]

Directly, however once again the Jury completed the day with another odd take on Doe left ringing in its ears, one that may have undone the whole day for the State:

"Paoli: You would expect her to avoid clothes she wore that night?

"DC: Yeah.

"Paoli: She wore them for months."

1) the clothes had been removed during whatever happened
2) i bet she still drove in the same car and lived in the same house, too. she probably wears her hair in a similar fashion. how odd!

 

[jagur1]

Directly, however once again the Jury completed the day with another odd take on Doe left ringing in its ears, one that may have undone the whole day for the State:

"Paoli: You would expect her to avoid clothes she wore that night?

"DC: Yeah.

"Paoli: She wore them for months."

1) the clothes had been removed during whatever happened
2) i bet she still drove in the same car and lived in the same house, too. she probably wears her hair in a similar fashion. how odd!

Come on. You've made some good points on Bias but even you have to admitt how odd it's wearing the same Leggings that got pulled off you in a rape.

Thanks for the Twitter link.

 

[GrizBear]

One thing I don't understand is why the defense is so fixated on whether she is responsible for getting O'Day and Pflugrad fired, or happy they were fired, and why the prosecution fights so hard to refute this. Assuming she was raped by Johnson, and Pflugrad and O'day put him back on the team, combined with Pflugrad's statement about Johnson's character, wouldn't it strengthen her case to admit she wanted these guys who supported a rapist over a rape victim fired? And how does it help the defense to keep bringing it up with every witness? Obviously a legal strategy that is over my head.

Much of this trial is about who is telling the truth. If Jane Doe and friends were celebrating the firings in texts and such but did not want to admit to that and lied, pretrial and now in sworn testimony, the proof of those lies could be key to the defense's case. It also would show that some of the prosecutor's key witnesses are willing to hold to Jane Doe's version of events to the point of concealing truths they think would damage her case.

 

[go4two]

Directly, however once again the Jury completed the day with another odd take on Doe left ringing in its ears, one that may have undone the whole day for the State:

"Paoli: You would expect her to avoid clothes she wore that night?

"DC: Yeah.

"Paoli: She wore them for months."

1) the clothes had been removed during whatever happened
2) i bet she still drove in the same car and lived in the same house, too. she probably wears her hair in a similar fashion. how odd!

Come on. You've made some good points on Bias but even you have to admitt how odd it's wearing the same Leggings that got pulled off you in a rape.

Thanks for the Twitter link.

Not just any leggings, Lululemon yoga pants are all the rage these days, and pricey too! :roll:

 

[Forshizzlegrizzle]

Directly, however once again the Jury completed the day with another odd take on Doe left ringing in its ears, one that may have undone the whole day for the State:

"Paoli: You would expect her to avoid clothes she wore that night?

"DC: Yeah.

"Paoli: She wore them for months."

1) the clothes had been removed during whatever happened
2) i bet she still drove in the same car and lived in the same house, too. she probably wears her hair in a similar fashion. how odd!

You really think your examples are the same? Really?

 

[argh!]

Directly, however once again the Jury completed the day with another odd take on Doe left ringing in its ears, one that may have undone the whole day for the State:

"Paoli: You would expect her to avoid clothes she wore that night?

"DC: Yeah.

"Paoli: She wore them for months."

1) the clothes had been removed during whatever happened
2) i bet she still drove in the same car and lived in the same house, too. she probably wears her hair in a similar fashion. how odd!

You really think your examples are the same? Really?

i imagine she slept in the same bed, too.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

NOTHING LIKE PONIES

Dont show that to Brint... for the love of God please dont show him this...

You mean that's not Brint?

 

[PolsonGrizFan]

Paoli's burning up too much time w/ DC. Get DC out of there and move on.

 

[Forshizzlegrizzle]

Directly, however once again the Jury completed the day with another odd take on Doe left ringing in its ears, one that may have undone the whole day for the State:

"Paoli: You would expect her to avoid clothes she wore that night?

"DC: Yeah.

"Paoli: She wore them for months."

1) the clothes had been removed during whatever happened
2) i bet she still drove in the same car and lived in the same house, too. she probably wears her hair in a similar fashion. how odd!

You really think your examples are the same? Really?

i imagine she slept in the same bed, too.

Really? I wouldn't imagine that at all. let me ask you this, are you married? If you walked in on your spouse banging someone in your bed would you continue to sleep on that mattress or would you throw it our or at least flip it over? And thats an example of NOT getting assaulted.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

Paoli's burning up too much time w/ DC. Get DC out of there and move on.

Can the mod's put up a countdown clock for the amount of time the prosecution and defense have remaining?

 

[Grizbeer]

Directly, however once again the Jury completed the day with another odd take on Doe left ringing in its ears, one that may have undone the whole day for the State:

"Paoli: You would expect her to avoid clothes she wore that night?

"DC: Yeah.

"Paoli: She wore them for months."

1) the clothes had been removed during whatever happened
2) i bet she still drove in the same car and lived in the same house, too. she probably wears her hair in a similar fashion. how odd!

You really think your examples are the same? Really?

i imagine she slept in the same bed, too.

Actually moved out of the house:

missoulian ‏@missoulian
NS: Said they stopped being roommates because she didn't want to live in the house anymore. The memories were too much. #johnsontrial
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8:47 a.m. - Feb 20, 2013 · Details

Not sure about the car bed or hair though, twitter hasn't addressed it.

Switching gears, and regardless of the trial, did it also seem odd that a Dean lets students stay at their house:

missoulian ‏@missoulian
LM said 1200 students gone through the program in her time, and half a dozen have slept at her house. #johnsontrial

Is this normal? Doesn't/shouldn't UM have a policy against this, for liability reasons if nothing else?

 

[argh!]

1) the clothes had been removed during whatever happened
2) i bet she still drove in the same car and lived in the same house, too. she probably wears her hair in a similar fashion. how odd!

You really think your examples are the same? Really?

i imagine she slept in the same bed, too.

Really? I wouldn't imagine that at all. let me ask you this, are you married? If you walked in on your spouse banging someone in your bed would you continue to sleep on that mattress or would you throw it our or at least flip it over? And thats an example of NOT getting assaulted.

she isn't claiming the bed or the leggings were raped. whether she continued to wear the leggings is neither here nor there, but rather a distraction um75 et al want you to focus on.

 

[argh!]

1) the clothes had been removed during whatever happened
2) i bet she still drove in the same car and lived in the same house, too. she probably wears her hair in a similar fashion. how odd!

You really think your examples are the same? Really?

i imagine she slept in the same bed, too.

Actually moved out of the house:

missoulian ‏@missoulian
NS: Said they stopped being roommates because she didn't want to live in the house anymore. The memories were too much. #johnsontrial
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8:47 a.m. - Feb 20, 2013 · Details

Not sure about the car bed or hair though, twitter hasn't addressed it.

Switching gears, and regardless of the trial, did it also seem odd that a Dean lets students stay at their house:

missoulian ‏@missoulian
LM said 1200 students gone through the program in her time, and half a dozen have slept at her house. #johnsontrial

Is this normal? Doesn't/shouldn't UM have a policy against this, for liability reasons if nothing else?

she's been doing that for years, including well before she was an assistant dean.

 

[Forshizzlegrizzle]

Thats really not the point. People that have PTSD usually have triggers that are associated with the trama. So I would imagine that the clothing or a specific setting would trigger stressors in the individual so for someone to continue to wear items associated with such a dramatic issue would be strange. Thats all.

 

[wbtfg]

The counselor on the stand right now seems to be in waaaaaaay over her head. I would think the U could find more qualified people to fill positions. I kind of feel sorry for her.

 

[Grizbeer]

Switching gears, and regardless of the trial, did it also seem odd that a Dean lets students stay at their house:

missoulian ‏@missoulian
LM said 1200 students gone through the program in her time, and half a dozen have slept at her house. #johnsontrial

Is this normal? Doesn't/shouldn't UM have a policy against this, for liability reasons if nothing else?

she's been doing that for years, including well before she was an assistant dean.

I understand it has been a long practice of hers, but is that O.K. - again, not in relation to this trial, but in general is it o.k. for Deans, or professors, to have students spend the night at their homes? Is it normal? Does it happen a lot? Struck me as strange. It seems like it opens up the University to claims of abuse, favoritism and lawsuits?

 

[spokaneman]

it takes two to tango and not everyone is telling the truth, but on the surface everyone is quick to blame the guy. I thought it use to be "innocent until proven guilty", not guilty until proven innocent. Her statements and actions just don't add up. Is JJ totally innocent, probably not but a rapist, no.

It Takes 2 to tango????......

NOT WHEN RAPE IS INVOLVED you friggen tool!!

"Is JJ totally innocent, probably not...."

that is what plea bargains are for....

 

[wbtfg]

I understand it has been a long practice of hers, but is that O.K. - again, not in relation to this trial, but in general is it o.k. for Deans, or professors, to have students spend the night at their homes? Is it normal? Does it happen a lot? Struck me as strange. It seems like it opens up the University to claims of abuse, favoritism and lawsuits?

It's probably not normal, especially at a large institution like UM, however, I think it's a good thing when professors care about the well being of their students and go above and beyond their job description to help out a student in need, and is probably more normal at smaller, private schools. This case aside, I think professors caring deeply about their students is much more positive than negative. I'd certainly want my son/daughter to attend a school who doesn't punish professors for exercising compassion.


:twocents:

 

[argh!]

Switching gears, and regardless of the trial, did it also seem odd that a Dean lets students stay at their house:

missoulian ‏@missoulian
LM said 1200 students gone through the program in her time, and half a dozen have slept at her house. #johnsontrial

Is this normal? Doesn't/shouldn't UM have a policy against this, for liability reasons if nothing else?

she's been doing that for years, including well before she was an assistant dean.

I understand it has been a long practice of hers, but is that O.K. - again, not in relation to this trial, but in general is it o.k. for Deans, or professors, to have students spend the night at their homes? Is it normal? Does it happen a lot? Struck me as strange. It seems like it opens up the University to claims of abuse, favoritism and lawsuits?

ironically, i think it is considered unwise for male faculty members to do this sort of thing, females, less so. i suppose it depends on if the relationship is of the tenant/landlord variety, or "roommates".