JJ Trial

[Obzerver]

I just served on a 2nd degree rape and 2nd degree assult case(three weeks ago). It was ugly. Some similarities but still different in the degree of assult. Without going into details the girl lived a questionable life and the guy was a veteren of the streets. She 19 he 31. Conflicting stories from the victim even on the stand but the PA did a fine job of explaining various inconsistencies in her closing statement. I had doubt as to the cicumstances and the delay of reporting(4 days) and lack of physical evidence(no rape kit or vaginal inspection done). The pictures were pretty bad with multiple bruising and bite marks. What swayed most of us was when the accused took the stand. The pictures were showed to him and he took a tissue and blew his nose as if crying/upset...a very poor acting job. He then preceeded to answer questions as if he was still on the streets. Tuff atttitude/condecending/smug/conflicting statements from the police report when first questioned and no sign of regret saying she wanted to have rough sex. Even after the closing statement by his attorney to do some damage control he was in trouble. Only took three hrs to return a guilty verdict...he won't be raping/beating on a women for over 20 years*****My point is with all the evidence in this particular trail on both sides(no matter how weak or strong) and then both having strong closing statements it very well could come down to whether or not JJ takes the stand and how he comes accross to the jury.

 

[granitegriz]

Kem~usually a good assumption but you never know with UM's legal squad...

 

[Jerry Punch]

what kind of argument would o'day and pflugrad have? "they did not renew my contract because i did a shitty job leading the department, they fired me because they thought i did a shitty job leading the department"?

Engstrom is not a good leader, but he is not as dumb as Peter Fields. He doesn't have to tell anyone why he fired them and if he does, UM is going to lose a ton of money, more than they'll lose because of the JJ debacle.

 

[mtgrizrule]

what kind of argument would o'day and pflugrad have? "they did not renew my contract because i did a shitty job leading the department, they fired me because they thought i did a shitty job leading the department"?

Engstrom is not a good leader, but he is not as dumb as Peter Fields. He doesn't have to tell anyone why he fired them and if he does, UM is going to lose a ton of money, more than they'll lose because of the JJ debacle.

Legal action or not, hard to believe their dismissals were coincidental with this mess. Just after Pflugrad voices his support for JJ, both are let go. In this trial it is revealed, the parents and accuser went to the school about what their actions are or will be. Shortly thereafter, these 2 great men are dismissed. Come on convince us that is coincidental, and this mess had nothing to do with their dismisses? Even if RE or the BOR don't answer the ?'s do you think Jim and Robin, will not say more after they are paid in full for what is left on their contracts? Why would O'day imply on his FB account a few times, in time things would be out in the open (or something like that)?

 

[GrizBear]

I just served on a 2nd degree rape and 2nd degree assult case(three weeks ago). It was ugly. Some similarities but still different in the degree of assult. Without going into details the girl lived a questionable life and the guy was a veteren of the streets. She 19 he 31. Conflicting stories from the victim even on the stand but the PA did a fine job of explaining various inconsistencies in her closing statement. I had doubt as to the cicumstances and the delay of reporting(4 days) and lack of physical evidence(no rape kit or vaginal inspection done). The pictures were pretty bad with multiple bruising and bite marks. What swayed most of us was when the accused took the stand. The pictures were showed to him and he took a tissue and blew his nose as if crying/upset...a very poor acting job. He then preceeded to answer questions as if he was still on the streets. Tuff atttitude/condecending/smug/conflicting statements from the police report when first questioned and no sign of regret saying she wanted to have rough sex. Even after the closing statement by his attorney to do some damage control he was in trouble. Only took three hrs to return a guilty verdict...he won't be raping/beating on a women for over 20 years*****My point is with all the evidence in this particular trail on both sides(no matter how weak or strong) and then both having strong closing statements it very well could come down to whether or not JJ takes the stand and how he comes accross to the jury.

Cool story bro.

Your jury had an easy time convicting a dirtball. I mean, really, good job.

 

[GrizPony]

what kind of argument would o'day and pflugrad have? "they did not renew my contract because i did a shitty job leading the department, they fired me because they thought i did a shitty job leading the department"?

Watch and learn after this trial is done. It will shiver yer timber. Aaaaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhh!

 

[mtgrizrule]

what kind of argument would o'day and pflugrad have? "they did not renew my contract because i did a shitty job leading the department, they fired me because they thought i did a shitty job leading the department"?

Watch and learn after this trial is done. It will shiver yer timber. Aaaaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhh!

I have a good feeling, you are right, GP.

 

[argh!]

what kind of argument would o'day and pflugrad have? "they did not renew my contract because i did a shitty job leading the department, they fired me because they thought i did a shitty job leading the department"?

Watch and learn after this trial is done. It will shiver yer timber. Aaaaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhh!

my wood will be shaken?

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

NOTHING LIKE PONIES

Dont show that to Brint... for the love of God please dont show him this...

 

[CDAGRIZ]

what kind of argument would o'day and pflugrad have? "they did not renew my contract because i did a shitty job leading the department, they fired me because they thought i did a shitty job leading the department"?

Are you John Quinn? The interest in litigation and disdain for capital letters makes me wonder. Thanks in advance.

 

[ThrashedKid]

Maybe I read it wrong, but what's the deal with the PI being sent to the accuser's house before the TRO was filed?

 

[grizfnz]

Maybe I read it wrong, but what's the deal with the PI being sent to the accuser's house before the TRO was filed?

Earlier post said jj received a letter from the school so I assume it was in response. If not, with as many people as this gal told she was raped while attempting to "keep her privacy" it may have gotten back to jj so he decided to be proactive.

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[RobGriz]

I just served on a 2nd degree rape and 2nd degree assult case(three weeks ago). It was ugly. Some similarities but still different in the degree of assult. Without going into details the girl lived a questionable life and the guy was a veteren of the streets. She 19 he 31. Conflicting stories from the victim even on the stand but the PA did a fine job of explaining various inconsistencies in her closing statement. I had doubt as to the cicumstances and the delay of reporting(4 days) and lack of physical evidence(no rape kit or vaginal inspection done). The pictures were pretty bad with multiple bruising and bite marks. What swayed most of us was when the accused took the stand. The pictures were showed to him and he took a tissue and blew his nose as if crying/upset...a very poor acting job. He then preceeded to answer questions as if he was still on the streets. Tuff atttitude/condecending/smug/conflicting statements from the police report when first questioned and no sign of regret saying she wanted to have rough sex. Even after the closing statement by his attorney to do some damage control he was in trouble. Only took three hrs to return a guilty verdict...he won't be raping/beating on a women for over 20 years*****My point is with all the evidence in this particular trail on both sides(no matter how weak or strong) and then both having strong closing statements it very well could come down to whether or not JJ takes the stand and how he comes accross to the jury.

Cool story bro.

Your jury had an easy time convicting a dirtball. I mean, really, good job.

A little midol will fix that right up

 

[PlayerRep]

Maybe I read it wrong, but what's the deal with the PI being sent to the accuser's house before the TRO was filed?

Earlier post said jj received a letter from the school so I assume it was in response. If not, with as many people as this gal told she was raped while attempting to "keep her privacy" it may have gotten back to jj so he decided to be proactive.

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Paoli and the PI were hired to defend against the university proceeding initiated by the accuser. Why is this so hard for some to understand? I'm not talking about grizfnz.

 

[uofmman1122]

I find it a little funny how so many people immediately jump to defend the quick hiring of the PI (legitimate or not), without admitting that it does actually look a little bad for JJ.

I mean, we've got people waxing poetic about how the accuser looks to the jury, but couldn't you at least also say this makes JJ look bad to the jury, too??

I'm certainly not saying JJ did hire the PI because he did it and was scared, but if we can concoct stories as for why Jane Doe did or didn't do a bunch of things, wouldn't it be fair to do so here, as well?? :|

Just sayin'...

 

[mtgrizrule]

I find it a little funny how so many people immediately jump to defend the quick hiring of the PI (legitimate or not), without admitting that it does actually look a little bad for JJ.

I mean, we've got people waxing poetic about how the accuser looks to the jury, but couldn't you at least also say this makes JJ look bad to the jury, too??

I'm certainly not saying JJ did hire the PI because he did it and was scared, but if we can concoct stories as for why Jane Doe did or didn't do a bunch of things, wouldn't it be fair to do so here, as well?? :|

Just sayin'...

It also makes sense to get as much information as you can before someone has more time to better their story to their side. Have information as to how your investigation compares to the cops, and have something to show for any inconsistencies. Pretty smart move in my opinion.

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

I find it a little funny how so many people immediately jump to defend the quick hiring of the PI (legitimate or not), without admitting that it does actually look a little bad for JJ.

I mean, we've got people waxing poetic about how the accuser looks to the jury, but couldn't you at least also say this makes JJ look bad to the jury, too??

I'm certainly not saying JJ did hire the PI because he did it and was scared, but if we can concoct stories as for why Jane Doe did or didn't do a bunch of things, wouldn't it be fair to do so here, as well?? :|

Just sayin'...

No.

 

[PlayerRep]

I find it a little funny how so many people immediately jump to defend the quick hiring of the PI (legitimate or not), without admitting that it does actually look a little bad for JJ.

I mean, we've got people waxing poetic about how the accuser looks to the jury, but couldn't you at least also say this makes JJ look bad to the jury, too??

I'm certainly not saying JJ did hire the PI because he did it and was scared, but if we can concoct stories as for why Jane Doe did or didn't do a bunch of things, wouldn't it be fair to do so here, as well?? :|

Just sayin'...

It doesn't look bad. It's completely explainable. Why do you think it does? What's wrong with defending oneself against a university proceeding that may result in getting kicked out of school or off the team? Talking to her roommates and looking at the configuration of the house seems like a good idea to me. Plus, talking to the roommates has probably kept them from coming up with new testimony at trial.

 

[RobGriz]

I find it a little funny how so many people immediately jump to defend the quick hiring of the PI (legitimate or not), without admitting that it does actually look a little bad for JJ.

I mean, we've got people waxing poetic about how the accuser looks to the jury, but couldn't you at least also say this makes JJ look bad to the jury, too??

I'm certainly not saying JJ did hire the PI because he did it and was scared, but if we can concoct stories as for why Jane Doe did or didn't do a bunch of things, wouldn't it be fair to do so here, as well?? :|

Just sayin'...

I kind of agree with you but I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing. It's like the a$$hole who refuses to get a lawyer when the police are questioning him then gets jacked up by the cops.

 

[uofmman1122]

I find it a little funny how so many people immediately jump to defend the quick hiring of the PI (legitimate or not), without admitting that it does actually look a little bad for JJ.

I mean, we've got people waxing poetic about how the accuser looks to the jury, but couldn't you at least also say this makes JJ look bad to the jury, too??

I'm certainly not saying JJ did hire the PI because he did it and was scared, but if we can concoct stories as for why Jane Doe did or didn't do a bunch of things, wouldn't it be fair to do so here, as well?? :|

Just sayin'...

It doesn't look bad. It's completely explainable. Why do you think it does? What's wrong with defending oneself against a university proceeding that may result in getting kicked out of school or off the team? Talking to her roommates and looking at the configuration of the house seems like a good idea to me. Plus, talking to the roommates has probably kept them from coming up with new testimony at trial.

I actually don't think it's bad, and I agree with the reasoning that you mention.

I just thought it was funny how Doe's story has some similarly rational explanations, yet a large part of the people in this thread write them off as bullshit.

I think this girl feels like she really got raped, and may have acted in a lot of strange ways that don't make sense to a bunch of Griz fans.

Where I have contention to her testimony is whether or not JJ knew she didn't want to have sex. Her actions don't suggest to me that she conveyed it to him at all.

I think the scorned lover angle is bullshit, though.