JJ Trial

[grizpack]

I would think the Prosecution would need to be WAY ahead at this point (to the point where the jury is ready to convict if they took a vote right now), as they have put on most of their case. The defense hasn't started their case yet.

 

[tnt]

I can’t believe I am going to contribute to this drivel, but here goes.

You dudes are either following a different case, or are completely blinded by your desperate hopes of JJ’s return. I have followed this case closely and have talked to a number of folks in attendance for allot of the testimony, and none of this has looked favorable for JJ in the slightest.

Spin away………………..

That surprises me - who are you talking too?

I've been following this case closely as well, and so have people I know in the legal profession and no one thinks it's going to be a conviction. Right now the prosecution should be way ahead and everyone should be convinced, the defense hasn't presented their case yet at all. However, my feeling and those I've spoken with is that if the defense did nothing the jury would come back with a "not guilty" verdict.

The victim's testimony and her responses during cross were not convincing especially to meet the criteria of reasonable doubt on the third factor that must be satisfied - did Johnson know that she didn't give consent. Her testimony was that she playfully said no, then proceeded to take her clothes off, then flipped herself into position for him. And that's her testimony. Coupled that with her inconsistent statements, roommate being discredited on stand for similar inconsistent statements and this frankly doesn't look good for the prosecution.

Hiring an attorney and Paoli sending out a PI before he was accused INCLUDING the retraining order would seem to me to not only suggest that JJ knew something was up but also may have been the thing that helped the girl to decide where to go with this.....

In any event this trial won't be finished. A mistrial is coming very soon. Paoli and Pabst's concern with the firings is going to cross the line....

 

[billingsgriz]

I think the nurse looks like a cheerleader for the alleged victim.

"Wahoo! One step in the right direction for mankind!" Claire Francoeur, RN, upon learning of firing of Pflu and Jim O'Day.

Does that sound like an objective, nonbiased, neutral medical professional to you?

How many of you regularly exchange e-mails, text messages and phone calls of a personal nature with your doctor or his/her nurse (s)?

I don't !

 

[Tokyogriz]

That and her telling loads of people JJ "raped me" might make him need to be proactive. For someone terrorized as a victim she certainly felt comfortable telling about everyone she could think of about the "alleged rape".

 

[tnt]

I think the nurse looks like a cheerleader for the alleged victim.

"Wahoo! One step in the right direction for mankind!" Claire Francoeur, RN, upon learning of firing of Pflu and Jim O'Day.

Does that sound like an objective, nonbiased, neutral medical professional to you?

How many of you regularly exchange e-mails, text messages and phone calls of a personal nature with your doctor or his/her nurse (s)?

I don't !

Is your doctor nurse in a rape crisis center and is that what you see them for?

 

[1976griz]

Does anyone know what the letter contained that was referred to? I had the idea she told him what was up in that letter. My guess was that was why the P I was dispatched....lot of surmising on my part tho.

 

[PolsonGrizFan]

The woman said, whatever I do, the UM football team will be without a quarterback, per LM. #johnsontrial

This seems rather damning doesn't it?

 

[TxGriz]

If this ends in a hung jury, will they retry it? Or too soon to predict?

Would depend on the vote count for conviction vs. acquittal. My guess would be with a hung jury the majority would be voting for acquittal. With no prior history and a 20 year old I say the odds are extremely remote.

This case lost all rationale after the judge issued restraining orders on both parties.

 

[Special K]

I think the nurse looks like a cheerleader for the alleged victim.

"Wahoo! One step in the right direction for mankind!" Claire Francoeur, RN, upon learning of firing of Pflu and Jim O'Day.

Does that sound like an objective, nonbiased, neutral medical professional to you?

How many of you regularly exchange e-mails, text messages and phone calls of a personal nature with your doctor or his/her nurse (s)?

I don't !

Is your doctor nurse in a rape crisis center and is that what you see them for?

You are an idiot. Why don't you place your thumb up your arse until you implode? You blow enough hot air for 10 people. Agenda much????

 

[PolsonGrizFan]

Morin says to her knowledge woman has told a 'few' people. Pabst wants to know if 30-40 is a handful. Morin: Yes. #JohnsonTrial

even more interesting

 

[tnt]

Morin says to her knowledge woman has told a 'few' people. Pabst wants to know if 30-40 is a handful. Morin: Yes. #JohnsonTrial

even more interesting

Nothing to do with the trial, but to Kids that age, it is a handful. Think of the Notre Dame fb player who never met his girlfriend but was devestated with the break up.... Not to mention this whole hooking up thing.

 

[grzz]

I can’t believe I am going to contribute to this drivel, but here goes.

You dudes are either following a different case, or are completely blinded by your desperate hopes of JJ’s return. I have followed this case closely and have talked to a number of folks in attendance for allot of the testimony, and none of this has looked favorable for JJ in the slightest.

Spin away………………..

That surprises me - who are you talking too?

I've been following this case closely as well, and so have people I know in the legal profession and no one thinks it's going to be a conviction. Right now the prosecution should be way ahead and everyone should be convinced, the defense hasn't presented their case yet at all. However, my feeling and those I've spoken with is that if the defense did nothing the jury would come back with a "not guilty" verdict.

The victim's testimony and her responses during cross were not convincing especially to meet the criteria of reasonable doubt on the third factor that must be satisfied - did Johnson know that she didn't give consent. Her testimony was that she playfully said no, then proceeded to take her clothes off, then flipped herself into position for him. And that's her testimony. Coupled that with her inconsistent statements, roommate being discredited on stand for similar inconsistent statements and this frankly doesn't look good for the prosecution.

Hiring an attorney and Paoli sending out a PI before he was accused INCLUDING the retraining order would seem to me to not only suggest that JJ knew something was up but also may have been the thing that helped the girl to decide where to go with this.....

In any event this trial won't be finished. A mistrial is coming very soon. Paoli and Pabst's concern with the firings is going to cross the line....

I have no idea of guilt or innocence, wasn't there. But the PI thing does bother me a bit. HOWEVER, the PI was retained by Paoli after Johnson hired him after he received a notice of charges from the Dean of Students. So no police report yet, but the school judicial system had already begun.

 

[Griz2k]

Morin says to her knowledge woman has told a 'few' people. Pabst wants to know if 30-40 is a handful. Morin: Yes. #JohnsonTrial

even more interesting

Nothing to do with the trial, but to Kids that age, it is a handful. Think of the Notre Dame fb player who never met his girlfriend but was devestated with the break up.... Not to mention this whole hooking up thing.

Except that for someone to say they don't want attention or to play the victim it seems like a lot to me. It appears that all it took from her was to appear sad and when someone would ask what was wrong...."Oh, I was raped". Just seems a bit fishy to me.

 

[BDizzle]

The woman said, whatever I do, the UM football team will be without a quarterback, per LM. #johnsontrial

This seems rather damning doesn't it?

Boy was she right. Maybe she is a closet bobcat fan?

 

[Zootown Rox]

Morin says to her knowledge woman has told a 'few' people. Pabst wants to know if 30-40 is a handful. Morin: Yes. #JohnsonTrial

even more interesting

Nothing to do with the trial, but to Kids that age, it is a handful. Think of the Notre Dame fb player who never met his girlfriend but was devestated with the break up.... Not to mention this whole hooking up thing.

I don't think this point holds much weight, perhaps it speaks to the motivation for JJ getting an attorney, I know I would if it got around campus that someone said I raped them, however 30-40 people is pretty much everyone you know. Especially for a self described 'shy girl' 30-40 is alot of people. But there's nothing wrong with telling everyone per se.

 

[tnt]

Except that for someone to say they don't want attention or to play the victim it seems like a lot to me. It appears that all it took from her was to appear sad and when someone would ask what was wrong...."Oh, I was raped". Just seems a bit fishy to me.

That could be, but someone would have to know her to ask and know her well enough to see a difference.... Doesn't mean it didn't happen, and no reason to think if it did happen that she wouldn't want some help and support from her friends....

 

[stubbins]

But I am a firm believer in the judicial process .

so.... if the jury in your opinion "gets it wrong" and somehow finds the defendant guilty, you will accept that decision and not b!&ch and moan about it here??

I won't accept any decision...the judicial system in this country is a fucking joke. It's slanted to help those who "need" the help. Political correctness at its worst.

We need to go back to dueling in the street.

 

[stubbins]

I can’t believe I am going to contribute to this drivel, but here goes.

You dudes are either following a different case, or are completely blinded by your desperate hopes of JJ’s return. I have followed this case closely and have talked to a number of folks in attendance for allot of the testimony, and none of this has looked favorable for JJ in the slightest.

Spin away………………..

That surprises me - who are you talking too?

I've been following this case closely as well, and so have people I know in the legal profession and no one thinks it's going to be a conviction. Right now the prosecution should be way ahead and everyone should be convinced, the defense hasn't presented their case yet at all. However, my feeling and those I've spoken with is that if the defense did nothing the jury would come back with a "not guilty" verdict.

The victim's testimony and her responses during cross were not convincing especially to meet the criteria of reasonable doubt on the third factor that must be satisfied - did Johnson know that she didn't give consent. Her testimony was that she playfully said no, then proceeded to take her clothes off, then flipped herself into position for him. And that's her testimony. Coupled that with her inconsistent statements, roommate being discredited on stand for similar inconsistent statements and this frankly doesn't look good for the prosecution.

agreed...couple of my attorney friends have told me that there is no way in hell a jury will convict. A full acquittal they weren't so sure on, but a conviction, they'd bet the farm that it won't happen.

 

[Griz2k]

Except that for someone to say they don't want attention or to play the victim it seems like a lot to me. It appears that all it took from her was to appear sad and when someone would ask what was wrong...."Oh, I was raped". Just seems a bit fishy to me.

That could be, but someone would have to know her to ask and know her well enough to see a difference.... Doesn't mean it didn't happen, and no reason to think if it did happen that she wouldn't want some help and support from her friends....

Ya, I can kind of see that side to. Just not sure what to make of it all. I just don't see the "smoking gun" yet by I'm not in the court room either.

 

[GrizMusician]

I think the nurse looks like a cheerleader for the alleged victim.

"Wahoo! One step in the right direction for mankind!" Claire Francoeur, RN, upon learning of firing of Pflu and Jim O'Day.

Does that sound like an objective, nonbiased, neutral medical professional to you?

How many of you regularly exchange e-mails, text messages and phone calls of a personal nature with your doctor or his/her nurse (s)?

I don't !

Absolutely agree. My fiance, her mother, & her roommates who are nurses agree that she crossed ethical & professional boundaries once she began texting her... IMO it was at that point that Ms. Doe is no longer considered a "patient" like the nurse described.

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