JJ Trial

[Griz2k]

I'd be curious to know from the "expert" that testified earlier, or anyone else with the knowledge, if it's common for an alleged rape victim to tell so many people about it. I said it before, for someone who claims she does not want any attention from this she sure has told a crap load of people about it. Yes I'm probably biased, but in my opinion I believe Jane Doe loves playing the victim. No other reason to keep telling person after person after person, etc....

 

[spokaneman]

Why don't all of you Junior GMen start a list of all the "LIES" that the Missoulian and Florio published. I am Sure JJ would appreciate the list as he could use it for a civil case if he is found innocent.... So feel free to start below......

Sure Gwen, will get right on that after you make us sammich's.

Honestly - I am dead serious! This board is FULL of comments of how Florio and Missoulian Lied in their reporting. A solid list of these lies will help the defendant when he files his certain civil case... So here is your REAL chance to help out JJ by listing her lies....

And don't forget "lies of omission".

OOOHhhhhh - ok so not really LIES rather "Lies of omission".... OK then, lets start there! I am sure you have tons of examples!
For instance......

 

[spokaneman]

But I am a firm believer in the judicial process .

so.... if the jury in your opinion "gets it wrong" and somehow finds the defendant guilty, you will accept that decision and not b!&ch and moan about it here??

Gwen, don't you have something better to do then hang around eGriz. Maybe you could go write a story tying the events of 9/11 into the Jordy Johnson case. Here I'll help you out

World Trade Centers->Saudi Arabians->Exchange student->alleged rape->Jordy Johnson

so... I guess we can rule RobGriz out as the "keeper of lies"...

 

[tnt]

I wonder what tasks the lawyers have to do that they get an extra hour break? Is Karen making them tidy up the Court room????

 

[RobGriz]

But I am a firm believer in the judicial process .

so.... if the jury in your opinion "gets it wrong" and somehow finds the defendant guilty, you will accept that decision and not b!&ch and moan about it here??

Gwen, don't you have something better to do then hang around eGriz. Maybe you could go write a story tying the events of 9/11 into the Jordy Johnson case. Here I'll help you out

World Trade Centers->Saudi Arabians->Exchange student->alleged rape->Jordy Johnson

so... I guess we can rule RobGriz out as the "keeper of lies"...

Oh...burn :roll:

Lighten up a bit man. I realize sarcasm is hard for some to grasp, but if you're going to survive on this board you're going to have to figure it out.

 

[spokaneman]

Oh...burn :roll:

Lighten up a bit man. I realize sarcasm is hard for some to grasp.

:lol: :lol: Oh Good Lord, do you not realize that my response was SARCASTIC AS HELL!!! :clap: :clap:

 

[Raider]

I can’t believe I am going to contribute to this drivel, but here goes.

You dudes are either following a different case, or are completely blinded by your desperate hopes of JJ’s return. I have followed this case closely and have talked to a number of folks in attendance for allot of the testimony, and none of this has looked favorable for JJ in the slightest.

Spin away………………..

 

[br fan]

I'd be curious to know from the "expert" that testified earlier, or anyone else with the knowledge, if it's common for an alleged rape victim to tell so many people about it. I said it before, for someone who claims she does not want any attention from this she sure has told a crap load of people about it. Yes I'm probably biased, but in my opinion I believe Jane Doe loves playing the victim. No other reason to keep telling person after person after person, etc....

It doesn't matter if you're the prosecution. The prosecution's argument for this and every other point raised by 75 is this: rape victims do and say "odd" things. Nothing the victim may have said or done that appears to contradict her testimony should give you reasonable doubt as to the defendant's guilt, because rape victims say and do "odd" things.

 

[ordigger]

I can’t believe I am going to contribute to this drivel, but here goes.

You dudes are either following a different case, or are completely blinded by your desperate hopes of JJ’s return. I have followed this case closely and have talked to a number of folks in attendance for allot of the testimony, and none of this has looked favorable for JJ in the slightest.

Spin away………………..

Which probably shows that for this trial its going to be very hard to get 12 people to agree on any verdict....at least so far.

 

[Griz2k]

I can’t believe I am going to contribute to this drivel, but here goes.

You dudes are either following a different case, or are completely blinded by your desperate hopes of JJ’s return. I have followed this case closely and have talked to a number of folks in attendance for allot of the testimony, and none of this has looked favorable for JJ in the slightest.

Spin away………………..

Guess I'll have to disagree. I've followed as closely as the Missoulian and twitter have allowed (for what that's worth) and I think it looks good for JJ. And I don't care if he comes back or not. In fact, in a thread quite some time ago I said he would not. If he did rape her, he should go to prison. It's simply my opinion that I don't believe he did.

 

[GRZFTBL]

If this ends in a hung jury, will they retry it? Or too soon to predict?

 

[granitegriz]

Raider~at least you agree that opinions can be given a long the way....thanks for your opinion.

 

[RobGriz]

Oh...burn :roll:

Lighten up a bit man. I realize sarcasm is hard for some to grasp.

:lol: :lol: Oh Good Lord, do you not realize that my response was SARCASTIC AS HELL!!! :clap: :clap:

Yeah...sure :thumb:


:roll:

 

[jagur1]

Trial back on

 

[Forshizzlegrizzle]

Boy there is a lot of discussion around this trial. I have no worries that this Jury trial will work out the way its supposed to. Jury trials are full proof. Right?

 

[go4two]

Question:

Given the verifiable facts of this case, and the history behind what has led to this “high profile” trial, do you think you could send this young man to prison? Also, take into account that you don’t know the accuser, or the defendant, and have to make decision on which story you believe; knowing that there is not any evidence that truly solidifies a rape occurred? If I were a juror, there would have to be substantial evidence, beyond all reasonable doubt, that a rape occurred. An example of solid evidence would be torn clothing, screams heard by roommates, defense wounds on Jane Doe’s or JJ’s body,, history of abuse by JJ, etc.

I’m sorry, a guilty verdict can’t and won’t be made in this case. I don’t think there is a moral man, or woman in this city that could put JJ away based on who’s story they believe. Especially, when both parties are seem to have a solid moral history and are very believable. This should have never gone to trial. Could you sleep at night if you didn’t acquit?

I'll ask again....how do you put a man away with no physical evidence. Physical evidence is most cases isn't fabricated, or easily hidden. Psychological evidence, (the only item the prosecution is hammering thus far), can be fabricated by good acting. I'll admit that I don't know that if JJ did or didn't rape Jane Doe. With the evidence that has been presented, it would be a tragedy for a jury to have to decide based on who they think is telling the truth. In my opinion, and it is just MY opinion, before this trial ever even started, there is no way 12 jurors come back with a unanimous guilty verdict. This will most likely be a hung jury. The jury that was selected is more favorable for Johnson with 7 women; 3 or 4 of which are fairly young.

 

[Zootown Rox]

I can’t believe I am going to contribute to this drivel, but here goes.

You dudes are either following a different case, or are completely blinded by your desperate hopes of JJ’s return. I have followed this case closely and have talked to a number of folks in attendance for allot of the testimony, and none of this has looked favorable for JJ in the slightest.

Spin away………………..

That surprises me - who are you talking too?

I've been following this case closely as well, and so have people I know in the legal profession and no one thinks it's going to be a conviction. Right now the prosecution should be way ahead and everyone should be convinced, the defense hasn't presented their case yet at all. However, my feeling and those I've spoken with is that if the defense did nothing the jury would come back with a "not guilty" verdict.

The victim's testimony and her responses during cross were not convincing especially to meet the criteria of reasonable doubt on the third factor that must be satisfied - did Johnson know that she didn't give consent. Her testimony was that she playfully said no, then proceeded to take her clothes off, then flipped herself into position for him. And that's her testimony. Coupled that with her inconsistent statements, roommate being discredited on stand for similar inconsistent statements and this frankly doesn't look good for the prosecution.

 

[ordigger]

Not particularly. This is why it's hard to take 75 seriously. He's clearly a very smart man (or woman), and they seem to know the law fairly well. However, he can't read people that well. He's insinuating things that aren't true. Now I'm not sure if 75 has been sitting in the courtroom for this, but it sure doesn't sound like he has been.

I don't know this girl, never met her in my life, don't know anything about her. However, I do know Bink. So when I see 75 say that he's "obviously pining for a relationship with her...", I can tell you that without a doubt, that is false, as is most of the other stuff that he posted about Bink. You can call this a great post, but I'm going to call it for what it is. It's a post full of insinuations about people that he's never met, and in at least this post, he's wrong with about 90% of what he's saying.

Bink came off very poorly in the courtroom--the worst of any witness so far. I would guess that virtually everyone who saw him testify would say that. Bink came across pretty much how 75 portrayed it, including that he probably wishes he still had a romantic relationship with the accuser. It was pretty amusing to see him testify very clearly that the accuser had never lied to him, and then for it be pointed out to him that she had lied to him after having to study the night she was with Johnson.

It is clear that PT Grizzly didn't hear the testimony, and, like many, wants to impose his version of what was said and how it appeared in court, in place of what was actually said and how it actually appeared.

Once again your interpretation, and your opinion of statements made in the courtroom. You make a nice lawyer because you spin the facts oh so well. If I'm sitting on that jury I currently have doubts but by no means is my mind closed 100% to that fact that a rape did not occur. I'd be wanting to hear what the defense has to say, and especially JJ.

Prosecution had a very strong day so far today, with some powerful moments. Still a long ways to go in this trial.

 

[grizatwork]

I can’t believe I am going to contribute to this drivel, but here goes.

You dudes are either following a different case, or are completely blinded by your desperate hopes of JJ’s return. I have followed this case closely and have talked to a number of folks in attendance for allot of the testimony, and none of this has looked favorable for JJ in the slightest.

Spin away………………..

I for one would have to agree with you. All of the testimoney since the accusers has painted a picture of what you could expect in behavior post assualt(expert testimoney) and how the accuser behaved after the alleged assault(friends, roommates, classmates, etc). All of that seems to back up her statement that she was assualted. The problem the prosecution has is that the weakest part of their witnesses to date have actually been the accuser and her contradictions and the actual physical evidence. Unfortunately for them, that should be the strongest part of their case. I have no idea how this will play out, but because all the witnesses to this point have been called by the prosecution, the testimoney to date should not be favorable to JJ. That is why he is allowed to mount a defense.

 

[RobGriz]

I can’t believe I am going to contribute to this drivel, but here goes.

You dudes are either following a different case, or are completely blinded by your desperate hopes of JJ’s return. I have followed this case closely and have talked to a number of folks in attendance for allot of the testimony, and none of this has looked favorable for JJ in the slightest.

Spin away………………..

Well, I too have followed it closely and while I have not talked to anyone in attendance. I have attended. And I kind of have it about where it started, about 50/50. He said/she said. Which, from what I understand of the legal world translates to reasonable doubt. Of course the testimony given by the nurse may have been very convincing, so who knows. And we don't know how good a case the defense is going to present either. As far as I am concerned no one really knows what a jury is going to do in deliberation.