JJ Sits Out Practice

[griz71]

You take the QB running option out of the zone read, and you make that offense essentially worthless, which is one of the reasons our offense has struggled so much this season. JJ needs to fake the handoff and run the ball in the FIRST SERIES, to show EWU that he will be a threat to run all game long.

I say we throw the ball first series and keep the EWU defense off-balance...

 

[clawman]

The thread title is JJ SITS OUT PRACTICE.

This should open some eyes as to why the Griz play-calling has limited the read-option. The coaches are hesitant to call this high QB contact play because of Johnson's 2 concussions and high ankle sprain.

Wow you kind have to say "is it worth it"? The more we learn about concussions we are learning the long lasting effects can be dramatic. To play college football for the love of the game may not be worth long term memory loss..IMO

 

[AZGrizFan]

Difference between getting hit scrambling and getting hit in the pocket is..when you're scrambling, you dictate where you get hit...while compared to standing in the pocket and getting blasted unexpectedly.

Interesting. Because JJ's ankle was originally injured while scrambling. Apparently the DE that got to him didn't get the memo JJ dictated about where to hit him.

What im saying is that you anticipate it coming, and JJs ankle was hurt evading pressure and got hit late and landed awkwardly on it...not on a read option where he kept it and got blasted. So my point remains valid.

You said "when you're scrambling you dictate where you get hit", versus "getting blasted unexpectedly". JJ was injured while scrambling, intimating that he wasn't able "dictate where he got hit".

Getting hit awkwardly can happen on a sack, a scramble, a zone read QB keeper, an INT, etc., etc., etc. How did shoota break his foot?

 

[grizophile]

JJ has taken most of his hits trying to hang in a non-existent pocket (though it seems to be improving as of late). Yes option QB's take some shots but most are hits to the body. Just look at Oregon's QBs. There have been injuries over the years but not the hits to the head variety. Certainly some ankles but it is easier to protect yourself when you are the move and can duck instead of trying to stand tall looking down field and getting driven into the turf. Option QBs have to be durable and I think JJ is more than tough enough in the right offensive scheme. Imagine just the opposite. Ask a tall, slow QB to run the option. They probably would be dead about midway through the season.

Two of the top 3 rushers in our conference are QB's. Chris Brown has 180 rushing attempts has been sacked 11 times. Dakota Prukop has 142 rushing attempts and has been sacked 17 times. JJ has just 24 rushing attempts and has been sacked just 8 times. Northern Colorado's QB has been sacked 44 times. :shock: EWU's QB has been sacked 29 times (which might explain why both of those teams are down the depth chart in their QB situation). I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that both Brown and Prukop have taken much more of a beating this year than JJ, and have sustained more hits by factor of about 10.

How about a stat on getting hit AFTER the throw? My bet would be JJ far and away leader in this catagory.

 

[AZGrizFan]

JJ has taken most of his hits trying to hang in a non-existent pocket (though it seems to be improving as of late). Yes option QB's take some shots but most are hits to the body. Just look at Oregon's QBs. There have been injuries over the years but not the hits to the head variety. Certainly some ankles but it is easier to protect yourself when you are the move and can duck instead of trying to stand tall looking down field and getting driven into the turf. Option QBs have to be durable and I think JJ is more than tough enough in the right offensive scheme. Imagine just the opposite. Ask a tall, slow QB to run the option. They probably would be dead about midway through the season.

Two of the top 3 rushers in our conference are QB's. Chris Brown has 180 rushing attempts has been sacked 11 times. Dakota Prukop has 142 rushing attempts and has been sacked 17 times. JJ has just 24 rushing attempts and has been sacked just 8 times. Northern Colorado's QB has been sacked 44 times. :shock: EWU's QB has been sacked 29 times (which might explain why both of those teams are down the depth chart in their QB situation). I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that both Brown and Prukop have taken much more of a beating this year than JJ, and have sustained more hits by factor of about 10.

How about a stat on getting hit AFTER the throw? My bet would be JJ far and away leader in this catagory.

Leader among who? I'm gonna guess that whoever is suited up at QB at UNC probably leads that category by a wide margin.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Difference between getting hit scrambling and getting hit in the pocket is..when you're scrambling, you dictate where you get hit...while compared to standing in the pocket and getting blasted unexpectedly.

Interesting. Because JJ's ankle was originally injured while scrambling. Apparently the DE that got to him didn't get the memo JJ dictated about where to hit him.

What im saying is that you anticipate it coming, and JJs ankle was hurt evading pressure and got hit late and landed awkwardly on it...not on a read option where he kept it and got blasted. So my point remains valid.

You said "when you're scrambling you dictate where you get hit", versus "getting blasted unexpectedly". JJ was injured while scrambling, intimating that he wasn't able "dictate where he got hit".

Getting hit awkwardly can happen on a sack, a scramble, a zone read QB keeper, an INT, etc., etc., etc. How did shoota break his foot?

I see what you're saying, and I suppose scrambling wasn't the right word for it. I was referring more to a read option keeper style run.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

You take the QB running option out of the zone read, and you make that offense essentially worthless, which is one of the reasons our offense has struggled so much this season. JJ needs to fake the handoff and run the ball in the FIRST SERIES, to show EWU that he will be a threat to run all game long.

I couldn't possibly agree with this more. Options and zone reads are always the most successful when the option is not forced.

Exactly...all it would take is maybe keeping it twice, even if it just goes for a yard or two....it still gets that D ends eyes freezing for the rest of the game.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Interesting. Because JJ's ankle was originally injured while scrambling. Apparently the DE that got to him didn't get the memo JJ dictated about where to hit him.

What im saying is that you anticipate it coming, and JJs ankle was hurt evading pressure and got hit late and landed awkwardly on it...not on a read option where he kept it and got blasted. So my point remains valid.

You said "when you're scrambling you dictate where you get hit", versus "getting blasted unexpectedly". JJ was injured while scrambling, intimating that he wasn't able "dictate where he got hit".

Getting hit awkwardly can happen on a sack, a scramble, a zone read QB keeper, an INT, etc., etc., etc. How did shoota break his foot?

I see what you're saying, and I suppose scrambling wasn't the right word for it. I was referring more to a read option keeper style run.

After rereading your initial post, I thought that might be what you meant...

 

[Sea Bass]

Well, did JJ practice today or what?

 

[grizfnz]

Well, did JJ practice today or what?

Not looking good [emoji22]

 

[mikegriz]

Well, did JJ practice today or what?

Not looking good [emoji22]

Having a hard time believing JJ does not play this game. However, if it turns out he can't, I think we can win with SSH. Our offense is not going to win this game with or without JJ. Our defense is going to win this game. I'm definitely no Brint, but it seems to win offensively, we need to score 45+ points and this is not a 45 point offense. I'm hoping the Griz will build on their 28 point average and the D will make-up the difference.

SSH has shown he can run the offense; he can hit the passing routes that worked last week as well as anyone; and while people on here give him crap about being slow, he runs well enough for the amount of running we expect the QB to do. I want to see JJ play, but let's not act like all is lost if he doesn't. If SSH plays and we lose, people on here will blame it on Shay. If JJ plays, and we lose, the same people will blame it on the O-line.

Hoping Jordan is healthy. Hoping Shay has a big day if he is not. Go Griz!

 

[marceagfan5]

Having a hard time believing JJ does not play this game. However, if it turns out he can't, I think we can win with SSH.

Sure hope JJ plays in this, you want to play the best with their best.

I don't think the Griz can win with SSH under center though. He's a great kid, great family, but I don't see him leading the Griz to victory in Cheney...

 

[mikegriz]

Having a hard time believing JJ does not play this game. However, if it turns out he can't, I think we can win with SSH.

Sure hope JJ plays in this, you want to play the best with their best.

I don't think the Griz can win with SSH under center though. He's a great kid, great family, but I don't see him leading the Griz to victory in Cheney...

Agree, I want to see no. 1 vs. no. 1. As for whether we can win with no. 2 against no. 1 or no. 2, we shall see. I think he can do it.

 

[tnt]

..... If JJ plays, and we lose, the same people will blame it on the O-line.

Lets be honest who ever plays, we can blame the offensive Line. As I recall it was the offensive line that took JJ out this week....

 

[Sea Bass]

I don't know much, but I know this.......... The Griz will have ZERO chance to win if JJ can't go. Zero chance.

 

[mikegriz]

I don't know much, but I know this.......... The Griz will have ZERO chance to win if JJ can't go. Zero chance.

I never root against my own team. Go Griz!

 

[nzone]

I don't know much, but I know this.......... The Griz will have ZERO chance to win if JJ can't go. Zero chance.

I have to admit staying positive is getting a little more difficult. JJ was starting to play like the JJ we hoped for at the beginning of the year. If these reports are in fact true our chances will get smaller. The defense and special teams will have to play a perfect game to win this one. With JJ I felt we might be able to pull one out....without I'm not so sure. Find out on Saturday.....

Go Griz!!

 

[Copper Griz]

JJ will have to be damn near crippled to not play on Saturday. He is a senior for f sakes and you think he is not wanting retribution for last year? Come one. He may be injured, but I am betting he takes the first snap and hopefully the last. If not SSH is going to have to get it done. SSH may not be Speedy Gonzalez, but he can pass and he is mobile enough to get it done against a crap defense. We also have these crazy things called running backs. Scrambling is not essential for winning the damn game. Nice to have, but plenty of teams win with pocket passers. Enough with the damn sky is falling. Go GRIZ. Rip the used tampax carrying Eagles a new ass.

 

[mikegriz]

I don't know much, but I know this.......... The Griz will have ZERO chance to win if JJ can't go. Zero chance.

I have to admit staying positive is getting a little more difficult. JJ was starting to play like the JJ we hoped for at the beginning of the year. If these reports are in fact true our chances will get smaller. The defense and special teams will have to play a perfect game to win this one. With JJ I felt we might be able to pull one out....without I'm not so sure. Find out on Saturday.....

Go Griz!!

Stay positive. The defense and special teams need to play a near perfect game to win this one if JJ plays as well. Go D! Go Griz!

 

[Sea Bass]

I don't know much, but I know this.......... The Griz will have ZERO chance to win if JJ can't go. Zero chance.

I never root against my own team. Go Griz!

Not rooting against the Griz, just being realistic.