JJ on Primetime

[getgrizzy]

I don't know what will be broadcast, but I do know this. Since the truth didn't conform to the story that the media wanted to tell, I'm sure they lost interest in it completely.

so you know the truth? why didn't you take the stand?

What good would that do? You don't believe that what was said on the stand actually was the truth anyway.

so if someone had evidence that showed what really happened you don't want it presented because you think i won't believe it. i didn't know i have that much control over you. :lol: :roll:

 

[PlayerRep]

The date was pushed to early January long ago. I still wonder if there will be a story. Seems pretty stale now. Don't think JJ or his lawyers ever talked to Dateline. Haslam, O'Day, Pflu did. Pflu only by phone. Probably some from the accuser's side. Not Engstrom. Not Foley, to my knowledge. Heard they weren't happy with UM's not giving them press credentials for a game last fall. One person posting in this thread communicated with Dateline on this matter.

it was stale, but then the james winston story broke, so its gotten interesting again. the real hook isn't j.j. or the way the story went. it's the way the town is and how it reacted. viewers are interested in how a town with a small time program can get so infatuated with a team that people can get in a win at all costs mentality.

Where do you get this win at all costs stuff? I don't know or know of a single person in the athletic department, formerly in the athletic department, or following the Griz who has a win at all costs attitude. Not a single one.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I don't know what will be broadcast, but I do know this. Since the truth didn't conform to the story that the media wanted to tell, I'm sure they lost interest in it completely.

so you know the truth? why didn't you take the stand?

What good would that do? You don't believe that what was said on the stand actually was the truth anyway.

so if someone had evidence that showed what really happened you don't want it presented because you think i won't believe it. i didn't know i have that much control over you. :lol: :roll:

You yourself have said you don't believe what came out in trial was the actual truth, so why would you believe anyone at this point?

 

[getgrizzy]

The date was pushed to early January long ago. I still wonder if there will be a story. Seems pretty stale now. Don't think JJ or his lawyers ever talked to Dateline. Haslam, O'Day, Pflu did. Pflu only by phone. Probably some from the accuser's side. Not Engstrom. Not Foley, to my knowledge. Heard they weren't happy with UM's not giving them press credentials for a game last fall. One person posting in this thread communicated with Dateline on this matter.

it was stale, but then the james winston story broke, so its gotten interesting again. the real hook isn't j.j. or the way the story went. it's the way the town is and how it reacted. viewers are interested in how a town with a small time program can get so infatuated with a team that people can get in a win at all costs mentality.

Where do you get this win at all costs stuff? I don't know or know of a single person in the athletic department, formerly in the athletic department, or following the Griz who has a win at all costs attitude. Not a single one.

its an old saying. it isn't always bad. in our case when fans and staff provide perks such as meals, laundry, housing it is. or taking players that are known to have been in trouble with the law. doing those kinds of things for college athletes is equated to having a win at all costs mentality. it's a figure of speech. don't take it literally.

 

[PlayerRep]

The date was pushed to early January long ago. I still wonder if there will be a story. Seems pretty stale now. Don't think JJ or his lawyers ever talked to Dateline. Haslam, O'Day, Pflu did. Pflu only by phone. Probably some from the accuser's side. Not Engstrom. Not Foley, to my knowledge. Heard they weren't happy with UM's not giving them press credentials for a game last fall. One person posting in this thread communicated with Dateline on this matter.

it was stale, but then the james winston story broke, so its gotten interesting again. the real hook isn't j.j. or the way the story went. it's the way the town is and how it reacted. viewers are interested in how a town with a small time program can get so infatuated with a team that people can get in a win at all costs mentality.

Where do you get this win at all costs stuff? I don't know or know of a single person in the athletic department, formerly in the athletic department, or following the Griz who has a win at all costs attitude. Not a single one.

its an old saying. it isn't always bad. in our case when fans and staff provide perks such as meals, laundry, housing it is. or taking players that are known to have been in trouble with the law. doing those kinds of things for college athletes is equated to having a win at all costs mentality. it's a figure of speech. don't take it literally.

It's a saying that doesn't apply to UM and never did. Minor providing of meals/laundry is nothing close to win at all costs. It happens at every D-I football program. UM has taken a few kids with prior legal issues, only after doing some investigation, talking to the prior coaches and others, and meeting with the player. Only after UM is satisfied that the issue isn't likely to happen again, and that the kid isn't bad news, does UM take the kid. Is this system perfect? Nope, it isn't. However, the bulk of the kids in this situation who came to UM did not have any major issues at UM. Giving kids a second chance in some situations is not win at all costs.

 

[getgrizzy]

it was stale, but then the james winston story broke, so its gotten interesting again. the real hook isn't j.j. or the way the story went. it's the way the town is and how it reacted. viewers are interested in how a town with a small time program can get so infatuated with a team that people can get in a win at all costs mentality.

Where do you get this win at all costs stuff? I don't know or know of a single person in the athletic department, formerly in the athletic department, or following the Griz who has a win at all costs attitude. Not a single one.

its an old saying. it isn't always bad. in our case when fans and staff provide perks such as meals, laundry, housing it is. or taking players that are known to have been in trouble with the law. doing those kinds of things for college athletes is equated to having a win at all costs mentality. it's a figure of speech. don't take it literally.

It's a saying that doesn't apply to UM and never did. Minor providing of meals/laundry is nothing close to win at all costs. It happens at every D-I football program. UM has taken a few kids with prior legal issues, only after doing some investigation, talking to the prior coaches and others, and meeting with the player. Only after UM is satisfied that the issue isn't likely to happen again, and that the kid isn't bad news, does UM take the kid. Is this system perfect? Nope, it isn't. However, the bulk of the kids in this situation who came to UM did not have any major issues at UM. Giving kids a second chance in some situations is not win at all costs.

its up for individual interpretation, but i think if you laid it all out most people would interpret it as such. i know you disagree, so you don't need to let me know that.

 

[Bear Axed]

its up for individual interpretation, but i think if you laid it all out most people would interpret it as such. i know you disagree, so you don't need to let me know that.

Seems most kittens see through the same blue & piss yeller glasses you do, but why would that suprise any of us? Being you are just another kitty Troll. :roll:

 

[NativeGriz]

getgizzy, you have now replaced Alpha as the poster I roll my eyes at the most after reading your posts. If Big G posted more, he would give you some stiff competition, except I think his posts are motivated from being a supporting MD family member which I can understand. Your comments on the other hand are really out there.

 

[GrizLA]

There is one thing Americans love and that is a true Redemption story with an even more special ending. The entire saga that began a couple years ago that ended with an innocent and apparently, decent guy being vindicated, an old and respected duffer from a dying mining town with spirit and a reputation for straight shooting, and a football team, that went from disgrace (per media and others) to a very good record just one year later, even though losing at home in the national playoffs, is the story line all of America loves. This could be one of the best things to happen to UM publicity wise. If I were the parent or coach or counselor of a kid seeking a decent, good educational and social climate for college, I would be thrilled to recommend a school with that story line. Getgrizzy, you are truly off base...

 

[AZGrizFan]

There is one thing Americans love and that is a true Redemption story with an even more special ending. The entire saga that began a couple years ago that ended with an innocent and apparently, decent guy being vindicated, an old and respected duffer from a dying mining town with spirit and a reputation for straight shooting, and a football team, that went from disgrace (per media and others) to a very good record just one year later, even though losing at home in the national playoffs, is the story line all of America loves. This could be one of the best things to happen to UM publicity wise. If I were the parent or coach or counselor of a kid seeking a decent, good educational and social climate for college, I would be thrilled to recommend a school with that story line. Getgrizzy, you are truly off base...

Unfortunately, I don't think that's the story Primetime would run....

 

[UMGriz75]

You are one very uninformed person. If this sour grapes girl did not live in Missoula, nothing would have happened. That is part of what would come out on a show like Dateline. It was absurd that the trial ever took place. The other part that would hopefully come out was the knee jerk reaction of our president and some of the borderline racist acts of our police dept.

It's a little more than "sour grapes." She's infatuated with relationships with athletes. Jake Bleskin is one of her "friends" on Facebook. :shock:

 

[NativeGriz]

You are one very uninformed person. If this sour grapes girl did not live in Missoula, nothing would have happened. That is part of what would come out on a show like Dateline. It was absurd that the trial ever took place. The other part that would hopefully come out was the knee jerk reaction of our president and some of the borderline racist acts of our police dept.

It's a little more than "sour grapes." She's infatuated with relationships with athletes. Jake Bleskin is one of her "friends" on Facebook. :shock:

I have always wondered if the girl in question ever thought it would go this far. I was concerned that her mom being friends with Pat William's wife fanned the fires. Regardless I have heard this girl was not some innocent person that got tricked in to jumping into bed. Obviously being friends on FB with another athlete doesn't set her up as being infatuated with athletes, so I assume there is more to the story than you indicated.

 

[UMGriz75]

Obviously being friends on FB with another athlete doesn't set her up as being infatuated with athletes, so I assume there is more to the story than you indicated.

It's a lot of athletes, spread throughout the University system. There's definitely a "pattern." Most of the collegiate athletes don't have that many collegiate athlete "friends." This was part of the pattern of her behavior with JJ; and that testimony that she dumped a "date" with her "closest friend" when she thought JJ was coming over; oh, and showing up "just special" at the Forester's Ball without a date. This is somebody who is fixated on athletes and some connection to her self image or self-perception.

 

[NativeGriz]

It's a lot of athletes, spread throughout the University system. There's definitely a "pattern." Most of the collegiate athletes don't have that many collegiate athlete "friends." This was part of the pattern of her behavior with JJ; and that testimony that she dumped a "date" with her "closest friend" when she thought JJ was coming over; oh, and showing up "just special" at the Forester's Ball without a date. This is somebody who is fixated on athletes and some connection to her self image or self-perception.

MT75, that actually ties some other things I heard together. If dateline does show up, I hope they do a thorough job of getting the truth on this girl.
It is a real risk for athletes to randomly have sex with some girls not knowing what their mental stability is or what other motivations there might be. And the sad downside is there are girls just wanting to meet the athlete and have no desire for a physical relationship, but there are ways to protect themselves.

Tru(e) story & hypothetical, I was at MoClub after the GrizCat BB game. It was bit crowded, but not impossible. Trumaine Johnson shows up and thanks to twitter, within 15-20 minutes the bar was overrun with young, stunning, underdressed girls. Hypothetical part: Now if one of those underdressed girls goes home with Tru and later claims rape, I would say...what did you expect. I know a bunch of you would say the girl should have the right to dress how she likes without concern of being raped. That is true, but if you go home with him looking like hundred dollar bill and then go into his or your room alone, guess what will happen.

 

[PlayerRep]

It's a lot of athletes, spread throughout the University system. There's definitely a "pattern." Most of the collegiate athletes don't have that many collegiate athlete "friends." This was part of the pattern of her behavior with JJ; and that testimony that she dumped a "date" with her "closest friend" when she thought JJ was coming over; oh, and showing up "just special" at the Forester's Ball without a date. This is somebody who is fixated on athletes and some connection to her self image or self-perception.

MT75, that actually ties some other things I heard together. If dateline does show up, I hope they do a thorough job of getting the truth on this girl.
It is a real risk for athletes to randomly have sex with some girls not knowing what their mental stability is or what other motivations there might be. And the sad downside is there are girls just wanting to meet the athlete and have no desire for a physical relationship, but there are ways to protect themselves.

Tru(e) story & hypothetical, I was at MoClub after the GrizCat BB game. It was bit crowded, but not impossible. Trumaine Johnson shows up and thanks to twitter, within 15-20 minutes the bar was overrun with young, stunning, underdressed girls. Hypothetical part: Now if one of those underdressed girls goes home with Tru and later claims rape, I would say...what did you expect. I know a bunch of you would say the girl should have the right to dress how she likes without concern of being raped. That is true, but if you go home with him looking like hundred dollar bill and then go into his or your room alone, guess what will happen.

Don't sell yourself short, Native. The hotties were probably coming to see you.

 

[UMGriz75]

I have always wondered if the girl in question ever thought it would go this far. I was concerned that her mom being friends with Pat William's wife fanned the fires.

That was part of the problem for the prosecution, the fact that her own Mother didn't believe her. That, alone, was astonishing and suggestive that a lot of "history" and "unresolved" attitudes were bubbling beneath the surface here.

I understand that a week before trial, she was wanting "out," and Fred had to make what would have been in most cases a "plea deal" offer that was pretty inviting.

When a case falls apart during the prosecution phase, and especially upon the unconvincing testimony of the alleged victim, "Houston, we have a problem." And the problem was the alleged victim.

And when I say "unconvincing" I mean that this was not the testimony of someone who had been victimized, humiliated, overwhelmed and raped. It came across in many ways as the opposite: manipulative, evasive, and even vindictive. She was the least sympathetic accusing witness in this kind of case I have ever seen.

The testimony resonated with the attitude "I shouldn't have to be here," and that "I didn't get what I wanted out of any of this." The unspoken effect of body posture and attitude on the jury was of someone who felt "entitled" to "get her way" and that she was offended by the fact that she didn't "get her way." This should have all been taken care of for her, and she resented having to actually "do something" to "get" JJ.

That was the reason her Mom doubted her: this was no "shrinking violet" that was ever passive about anything. She was very experienced with "aggressive boys," and her history was that of going out of her way to cultivate these relationships, sometimes quite aggressively herself. She's a smart girl; nobody manipulates her. Nobody takes advantage of her. And the Jury caught that. But she still thought she was smarter than everybody else and couldn't hide that conceit. It was a hubris that was all too evident during her testimony.

That was the whole "Forester's Ball" episode in a nutshell: she was not going to be denied. Had the Jury been allowed to hear about the Forester's Ball episode the night before, they would have been back in about 30 minutes.

 

[Hoof Hearted]

I don't know what will be broadcast, but I do know this. Since the truth didn't conform to the story that the media wanted to tell, I'm sure they lost interest in it completely.

so you know the truth? why didn't you take the stand?

What good would that do? You don't believe that what was said on the stand actually was the truth anyway.

I don't understand any of the responses to this. The truth was brought out in the trial testimony and the verdict. The media narrative was the PC fairy tale that Gwen Florio and vested interests who thought the same way she did wanted to tell, the agenda reporting that fueled the public hysteria that brought an unworthy case to trial that should have never been brought. Since the media couldn't tell the story they wanted to tell, they weren't interested any longer was what i was saying.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Anybody else just a little creeped out?

 

[argh!]

"history" "unresolved" "out,""plea deal" "Houston, we have a problem." "unconvincing" "I shouldn't have to be here," "I didn't get what I wanted out of any of this." "entitled" "get her way" didn't "get her way." "do something" "get" "shrinking violet" "aggressive boys," her. her. "Forester's Ball" denied

victimized, humiliated, manipulative, evasive, and even vindictive.

does um really let a drama queen like you stand in front of their law students? oh, my

 

[Ursa Major]

Anybody else just a little creeped out?

+1 Move the fuck on...