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Jeff Choate new MSU Head Coach
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grizbrokebacker1
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Dmontanagrizzlies said:
My friend's sister has a cousin who knows a guy that played golf with your Cat buddy once. And they all say he was the first choice by consensus committee (maybe not Fields 1st choice however)
bigsky33 said:
You continue the same problem. Trying to measure the Cats with the Griz. Yeah, Stitt didn't get a BSC title this year and we lost 4 games with 3 different qb's. We're in the playoffs. Had we lost to you and still made the playoffs, fine. I can live with that.
Look at Wazzu,UW ; Boise, Idaho and ISU, Oregon and OSU. Utah and Utah State.
Point is rarely do you have both schools competing at the same level as the other. Regional recruiting, home recruiting, etc.
You guys just want a coach that'll beat the Griz every year and that's it. Then, you'll grow tired of that and realize there is a bigger piece to the puzzle. ....someday. You can't really compare Stitt and Choate at this point. Stitt already was a head coach, Choate was a line coach. Big difference.
George Ferguson
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It's true Choate wasn't MSU's first choice. It's been confirmed. Choate's name was mentioned early in the Griz hiring process last year, but I don't believe he got a final interview. Interesting hire for MSU. I'm sure he will do very well, especially if he wants, or can convince Cramsey to stay and run the offense. I think it's a good hire, but, as with any coaching change, only time will tell. I do think it's a bit premature though for MSU fans to assume the 2016 Cat defense automatically got better today, just because Choate was a defensive assistant. But all, in, all I think it's a good hire. They went with the one candidate who had true Montana ties.
George Ferguson
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Dmont, that's not true at all. I know for a fact he is very good friends with several very successful high school football coaches in this state.
stonecrest
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bigsky33 said:
Year in and year out expectations for the Cats are just too high.
havgrizfan said:
I agree that Choate seems to be a decent hire. Good experience and defensive minded which the Cats need badly. You are also spot on that the Cats D didn't just automatically get better.....not yet. Love the saying "it's not always about the Xs and Os, sometimes it's more the Johnnys and Joes". In the case of the Cats, there is no doubt whatsoever that their Johnnys and Joes were a step behind their competition on the defensive side. Two straight really bad years isn't going to get corrected overnight with those same players bc of a new coach. Once he gets the talent he needs then he's got a shot. But not until then.
George Ferguson
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So, Dmont, by that rationale, I guess you're saying Kendrick Van Ackeren or Jordan Johnson don't have Montana ties, even though they gave their heart and souls to the Griz, the University of Montana and Griz Nation? I know many, many, many former Griz, and hell, current Griz, who consider Montana another home to them, and not one of them were born in this state. Choate is still a very popular name at UM-Western, and very, very respected amongst those who played with and against him during his time in the Frontier Conference. Sorry, I just completely disagree with that statement above.
Um, yeah KVA or JJ in your example don't have Montana ties. The only "ties" they have is that they went to school here and "friends" from that. Dave Dickenson has Montana ties. Perfect current example, a current Griz player, He shows pictures of Montana but comments how he misses home and that MT is sort of "like" his "home" state but he can make do and likes it. That's not ties Hav and you damn well know ithavgrizfan said:
.Conversation is turning silly and no need for the thread to get closed but the dude is an Alum of Western and that's about it. Good luck to him.
George Ferguson
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I'll just agree to disagree Dmont. So, no, I don't damn well know that. I think every player that plays for the Griz is a Montanan to me. And there are 100's of them over the last 80-90 years who wound up making Montana their home upon their playing days being over. I think it's sad that any Griz fan would discount that, or say someone like Joe Douglass or Scott Gragg, players who are in the Grizzly Hall of Fame, don't have STRONG ties to this state. But, it's well within your right to do that. So, since we won't agree on that whatsoever, that's where I'll bow out of this convo.
JDoub
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Copper Griz said:
wait; who was this the Griz hired as HC???? your comment easily applies to him as well, but it turned out OK for you guys. cue Cadillac comments
2002 Washington - Defensive Backs
1999-2001 Washington - Safeties, Special Teams Coord
1998 Colorado - Safeties, Special Teams, Rec Coord
1995-97 Colorado - Outside LBs, Special Teams Coord
1993-94 Northern Arizona - OLB, Spec Teams, Rec Coord
1992 UCLA - Assistant Recruiting Coord
1990-91 UCLA - Graduate Assistant
1989 Montana - Defensive Line
1988-89 Montana - Secondary
1987 Sweet Grass HS (Big Timber, Mont.) - Asst Coach
I don't discount it. I'm glad that those people came here. But I'm a true Montanan, born and raised 4th generation. I have a fond kindness to ties. You don't just get to discredit someone like Super Dave that everyone overlooked for his size and where he grew up compared to a JJ who had a wider audience. No, sorry. Rather Bobcat or Grizzly you can have a passion, a love for who you are. But when you try and throw that you somehow grew up or were born here, na uh. A player can always be connected to that Griz or Bobcat team but they will never appreciate what it's only like to grow up, being a Montana kid. You don't get to put that on your moniker. That's extra special and why #37 ONLY goes to a MONTANA kid Hav. So, in our little example here, Choate doesn't qualify for #37. That pretty much spells it out.
George Ferguson
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dMONT, ok, I'll let you keep ranting. But who the heck said anything about discrediting Super Dave or anyone else? lol
"Time will tell going forward."
What do you think time told these guys after Don Read arrived plus his successors?
... start with Dave Arnold. Goodbye, Dave.
Earl Solomonson, after 2 D2 titles at NDSU? Good luck with Lutheran Brotheerhood insurance.
Cliff Hysell, one of their own w/MT ties. Over the cliff, Hysell.
Mike Kramer, also MT ties and EWU wins over the Griz. What do you mean you're going to sue us?
Rob Ash, most msu wins ever. Nice guys don't finish...
Do you think Mr. Choate was told he's expected to finish in top 10 every year? As he takes his 5th job in 6 years.
He'll be Mister chOATe-meal to me as he tries to keep QB Prune-cup happy.
no collitch head coaching experirnce... which he'll get before he leaves bozo...
What do you think time told these guys after Don Read arrived plus his successors?
... start with Dave Arnold. Goodbye, Dave.
Earl Solomonson, after 2 D2 titles at NDSU? Good luck with Lutheran Brotheerhood insurance.
Cliff Hysell, one of their own w/MT ties. Over the cliff, Hysell.
Mike Kramer, also MT ties and EWU wins over the Griz. What do you mean you're going to sue us?
Rob Ash, most msu wins ever. Nice guys don't finish...
Do you think Mr. Choate was told he's expected to finish in top 10 every year? As he takes his 5th job in 6 years.
He'll be Mister chOATe-meal to me as he tries to keep QB Prune-cup happy.
no collitch head coaching experirnce... which he'll get before he leaves bozo...