Ivy League cancels spring practices

[argh!]

Much of what argh says, and usually posts, is written like a third grader and is neither clear nor understandable.

unless you agree with it, then it is pulitzer prize winning writing, i.e. our agreement on a range of subjects, from the contributions of the nguyen brothers to griz football, and the belief that the bill of rights is applicable to student athletes, and those who oppose it are clueless. as for your prose, you are probably egriz' most productive writer of nonsensical sentences, which you expect everyone to understand despite frequent typos, misstatements, non-sequiturs, grammar errors, etc.... every time it is pointed out, your retort is that you don't have time to edit what you write on egriz, as it is just a chatroom, etc...

 

[CrunchGriz]

Even if it's only 1 percent, that's ten times more deadly than common flu. That's a lot of dead people and a lot of people who will need to be medically treated. Do everything you can to slow/limit the spread of the disease. If you don't, at best you're irresponsible.

PR, please point out what exactly in this post, or in any post I’ve made for that matter, you view as being “alarmist”.

Most people care about what happens to the old and infirm folks in their lives. I assume that’s true for everybody here. Just follow CDC recommendations, people. Personally, I can easily forego attending a couple of athletic contests if that means somebody’s grandfather gets to live a few more years. I am somebody’s grandfather, and I hope somebody else would do the same for me.

 

[argh!]

Clearly PR missed his calling as a major player on the Mike Dense coronovirus spin team. I do feel obligated to point out, in that PR claims to talk regularly to student athletes, that a mild case of the virus in a 19 year old might be a death sentence for an older gentleman :roll:

So could an auto accident, the flu or any number of things.

isn't there an egriz rule against whataboutism stupidity?

If there was you would be gone.

but not via your hand, as you and the rest of the mods would have started your lifetime bands shortly after you joined, and before you got to me.

 

[argh!]

So could an auto accident, the flu or any number of things.

isn't there an egriz rule against whataboutism stupidity?

If there was you would be gone.

but not via your hand, as you and the rest of the mods would have started lifetime bands shortly after you joined, and probably before you got to trying to band me.

 

[PlayerRep]

Much of what argh says, and usually posts, is written like a third grader and is neither clear nor understandable.

unless you agree with it, then it is pulitzer prize winning writing, i.e. our agreement on a range of subjects, from the contributions of the nguyen brothers to griz football, and the belief that the bill of rights is applicable to student athletes, and those who oppose it are clueless. as for your prose, you are probably egriz' most productive writer of nonsensical sentences, which you expect everyone to understand despite frequent typos, misstatements, non-sequiturs, grammar errors, etc.... every time it is pointed out, your retort is that you don't have time to edit what you write on egriz, as it is just a chatroom, etc...

Virtually everything I write is clear and understandable. I have never said I don't edit. I sometimes don't proofread everything enough, and don't catch all auto-corrects.

 

[argh!]

Virtually everything I write is clear and understandable. I have never said I don't edit. I sometimes don't proofread everything enough, and don't catch all auto-corrects.

funny, the same goes for me. everything i write is clear and understandable, except for the times i don't proofread anything. as for auto-corrects, i leave them be - they add the buzzes and slightly missed notes that makes written material interesting.

 

[PlayerRep]

Even if it's only 1 percent, that's ten times more deadly than common flu. That's a lot of dead people and a lot of people who will need to be medically treated. Do everything you can to slow/limit the spread of the disease. If you don't, at best you're irresponsible.

PR, please point out what exactly in this post, or in any post I’ve made for that matter, you view as being “alarmist”.

Most people care about what happens to the old and infirm folks in their lives. I assume that’s true for everybody here. Just follow CDC recommendations, people. Personally, I can easily forego attending a couple of athletic contests if that means somebody’s grandfather gets to live a few more years. I am somebody’s grandfather, and I hope somebody else would do the same for me.

Virtually everything you wrote in your prior post after the first sentence, I consider to be alarmist.

Does the CDC recommend that spring football be cancelled? I'm not aware of that. Not one football player who participates in spring ball is going to die of coronavirus, so why cancel spring ball. You seem to think lots of events and things and whatever should be cancelled, and I find your view to be unnecessary and alarmist. In areas where there are outbreaks, I'm fine with talking more action.

If a grandfather is worried about getting the virus at a sporting event, he should not go to the sporting event. How hard is that?

Do you think colleges, like UM, should cancel the spring classes? What about k-12 schools in MT?

The US could prevent people from driving cars, and almost all of the just under 40,000 people who die per year would not be killed. Are you saying that we should prevent people from driving cars?

 

[sdk.catfish]

CrunchGriz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:12 pm

PR, please point out what exactly in this post, or in any post I’ve made for that matter, you view as being “alarmist”.

Most people care about what happens to the old and infirm folks in their lives. I assume that’s true for everybody here. Just follow CDC recommendations, people. Personally, I can easily forego attending a couple of athletic contests if that means somebody’s grandfather gets to live a few more years. I am somebody’s grandfather, and I hope somebody else would do the same for me.

Here is the deal CrunchGriz. PR, like many others, doesn't give a shit about "alarmist" in the case of people actually contracting the virus. What he actually does give a shit about is that this may impact the ability of Lump to get re-elected. That is all these people care about. Many, unlike PR, are willing to forgo events for the good of society but you should not expect that of PR or his ilk. We should be concerned about those not only contracting the disease, but those who will be out or work like those in Seattle restaurants who have few customers. We should be concerned about those with retirement incomes that have lost 20% in value in a month. We should be concerned about those people in Italy, and China and more to come, that have by necessity been isolated. We should definitely concerned and compassionate for those who have lost loved ones. Screw spring ball, the NCAA tournament, MLB, NFL etc........this is bigger than athletics. According to actual doctors and scientists (not lawyers), lockdowns and reductions in personal interaction are the only way to stop the spread. Personally I don't give a shit about some poor senior ivy league lacrosse player not getting to finish out their season. The wall street brokers are not people who listen to liberal or conservative media so that is not what is alarming them. They look a economic supply chains that have been broken and will take time to come back and the economy is going to take a downturn. Competent leadership should recognize that but competency is in short supply at this point. I'm sure we will all be reassured tonight.

 

[PlayerRep]

CrunchGriz wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:12 pm

PR, please point out what exactly in this post, or in any post I’ve made for that matter, you view as being “alarmist”.

Most people care about what happens to the old and infirm folks in their lives. I assume that’s true for everybody here. Just follow CDC recommendations, people. Personally, I can easily forego attending a couple of athletic contests if that means somebody’s grandfather gets to live a few more years. I am somebody’s grandfather, and I hope somebody else would do the same for me.

Here is the deal CrunchGriz. PR, like many others, doesn't give a shit about "alarmist" in the case of people actually contracting the virus. What he actually does give a shit about is that this may impact the ability of Lump to get re-elected. That is all these people care about. Many, unlike PR, are willing to forgo events for the good of society but you should not expect that of PR or his ilk. We should be concerned about those not only contracting the disease, but those who will be out or work like those in Seattle restaurants who have few customers. We should be concerned about those with retirement incomes that have lost 20% in value in a month. We should be concerned about those people in Italy, and China and more to come, that have by necessity been isolated. We should definitely concerned and compassionate for those who have lost loved ones. Screw spring ball, the NCAA tournament, MLB, NFL etc........this is bigger than athletics. According to actual doctors and scientists (not lawyers), lockdowns and reductions in personal interaction are the only way to stop the spread. Personally I don't give a shit about some poor senior ivy league lacrosse player not getting to finish out their season. The wall street brokers are not people who listen to liberal or conservative media so that is not what is alarming them. They look a economic supply chains that have been broken and will take time to come back and the economy is going to take a downturn. Competent leadership should recognize that but competency is in short supply at this point. I'm sure we will all be reassured tonight.

What's "Lump"? Note that I voted for Hillary and will vote for grandpa Biden this time.

I see that you are another "alarmist".

Are you in favor of cancelling all k-12 school in US, all colleges for the spring, all sporting events? Speak up big boy.

How about banning everyone from going to restaurants, or the gym, or to grocery stores? Speak up big boy.

Where does it stop? There are 10 people in all of the US in serious or critical condition with the virus now. 10.

Should we shut down the country for 10 people? Or for 25 older and unhealthy people in some Seattle area nursing homes who died? As of this morning, the US had 31 deaths from the virus. Thousands have died from the flu, from car accidents. Has anyone under 50 died in the US?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Time to stack the box and make this virus throw. Our DBs will save us.

 

[bgbigdog]

Even if it's only 1 percent, that's ten times more deadly than common flu. That's a lot of dead people and a lot of people who will need to be medically treated. Do everything you can to slow/limit the spread of the disease. If you don't, at best you're irresponsible.

Most people care about what happens to the old and infirm folks in their lives. I assume that’s true for everybody here. Just follow CDC recommendations, people. Personally, I can easily forego attending a couple of athletic contests if that means somebody’s grandfather gets to live a few more years. I am somebody’s grandfather, and I hope somebody else would do the same for me.

This.

 

[PlayerRep]

Even if it's only 1 percent, that's ten times more deadly than common flu. That's a lot of dead people and a lot of people who will need to be medically treated. Do everything you can to slow/limit the spread of the disease. If you don't, at best you're irresponsible.

Most people care about what happens to the old and infirm folks in their lives. I assume that’s true for everybody here. Just follow CDC recommendations, people. Personally, I can easily forego attending a couple of athletic contests if that means somebody’s grandfather gets to live a few more years. I am somebody’s grandfather, and I hope somebody else would do the same for me.

This.

How foregoing a few games save a grandfather? Shouldn't the grandfather and just not go to the game?

"Personally, I can easily forego attending a couple of athletic contests if that means somebody’s grandfather gets to live a few more years. I am somebody’s grandfather, and I hope somebody else would do the same for me."

By cancelling spring football in the Ivies, how many grandfathers will be saved, and how would that occur?

Could grandfathers just not go to spring practices and spring games? Wouldn't that be better and easier on society?

 

[PlayerRep]

Stats of virus death rates of people with, or without, pre-existing health conditions.

Note that no pre-existing conditions is .9%.


PRE-EXISTING CONDITION
DEATH RATE
confirmed cases
DEATH RATE
all cases

Cardiovascular disease
13.2%
10.5%

Diabetes
9.2%
7.3%

Chronic respiratory disease
8.0%
6.3%

Hypertension
8.4%
6.0%

Cancer
7.6%
5.65

No pre-existing conditions
0.9%

 

[bgbigdog]

Even if it's only 1 percent, that's ten times more deadly than common flu. That's a lot of dead people and a lot of people who will need to be medically treated. Do everything you can to slow/limit the spread of the disease. If you don't, at best you're irresponsible.

Most people care about what happens to the old and infirm folks in their lives. I assume that’s true for everybody here. Just follow CDC recommendations, people. Personally, I can easily forego attending a couple of athletic contests if that means somebody’s grandfather gets to live a few more years. I am somebody’s grandfather, and I hope somebody else would do the same for me.

This.

How foregoing a few games save a grandfather? Shouldn't the grandfather and just not go to the game?

"Personally, I can easily forego attending a couple of athletic contests if that means somebody’s grandfather gets to live a few more years. I am somebody’s grandfather, and I hope somebody else would do the same for me."

By cancelling spring football in the Ivies, how many grandfathers will be saved, and how would that occur?

Could grandfathers just not go to spring practices and spring games? Wouldn't that be better and easier on society?

If it saves just one, isn’t that worthwhile?

I’m more concerned about the grandmothers, grandfathers & fragile individuals with underlying conditions that might see these kids this weekend, during spring break, at Easter & beyond because the most ass-kicking element of this disease, besides the mortality risks, as we know it, is that there are carriers who don’t show the symptoms and don’t know they have it. It’s so virulent that even the most minor contact with someone with it can result in another infection. Community spread is real. And while the young and healthy will likely fare just fine, it’s killing the first three groups I mentioned, and am part of, all over the world. Trying to isolate & burn his thing out where it is currently seems to me to be a prudent course of action. If it does run it’s course & is contained things can be picked up and we can look forward to the next season. I’d like to be around to see next season, cause right now, with what’s going on in the world, this one means nothing to me.

 

[PlayerRep]

Most people care about what happens to the old and infirm folks in their lives. I assume that’s true for everybody here. Just follow CDC recommendations, people. Personally, I can easily forego attending a couple of athletic contests if that means somebody’s grandfather gets to live a few more years. I am somebody’s grandfather, and I hope somebody else would do the same for me.

This.

How foregoing a few games save a grandfather? Shouldn't the grandfather and just not go to the game?

"Personally, I can easily forego attending a couple of athletic contests if that means somebody’s grandfather gets to live a few more years. I am somebody’s grandfather, and I hope somebody else would do the same for me."

By cancelling spring football in the Ivies, how many grandfathers will be saved, and how would that occur?

Could grandfathers just not go to spring practices and spring games? Wouldn't that be better and easier on society?

If it saves just one, isn’t that worthwhile?

I’m more concerned about the grandmothers, grandfathers & fragile individuals with underlying conditions that might see these kids this weekend, during spring break, at Easter & beyond because the most ass-kicking element of this disease, besides the mortality risks, as we know it is that there are carriers who don’t show the symptoms and don’t know they have it. It’s so virulent that even the most minor contact with someone with it can result in another infection. Community spread is real. And while the young and healthy will likely fare just fine, it’s killing the first three groups I mentioned, and am part of, all over the world. Trying to isolate & burn his thing out where it is currently seems to me to be a prudent course of action, at least to me. If it does run it’s course & is contained things can be picked up and we can look forward to the next season. I’d like to be around to see next season, cause right now, with what’s going on in the world, this one means nothing to me.

No, saving just one is often not worth it. Are, again, cars. We could save 37,000 people a year by banning cars.

If kids are out of school or not playing spring ball, they may be home visiting their grandparents.

No, it's not true that minor contact leads to transmission.

No new deaths in US yesterday. Still only 10 people in US with serious or critical conditions.

If you are worried about yourself or grandparents, stay home and have them stay home. Cancelling spring ball isn't going to save anyone.

Overreaction.

 

[PlayerRep]

A Time article on the value of human life.

"In theory, a year of human life is priceless. In reality, it's worth $50,000.

That's the international standard most private and government-run health insurance plans worldwide use to determine whether to cover a new medical procedure. More simply, insurance companies calculate that to make a treatment worth its cost, it must guarantee one year of "quality life" for $50,000 or less. New research, however, would argue that that figure is far too low.

Stanford economists have demonstrated that the average value of a year of quality human life is actually closer to about $129,000. To get to that number, Stefanos Zenios and his colleagues at Stanford Graduate School of Business used kidney dialysis as a benchmark. Every year dialysis saves the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans who would otherwise die of renal failure while waiting for an organ transplant. It is also the one procedure that Medicare has covered unconditionally since 1972 despite rapid and sometimes expensive innovations in its administration. To tally the cost-effectiveness of such innovations Zenios and his colleagues ran a computer analysis of more than half a million patients who underwent dialysis, adding up costs and comparing that data to treatment outcomes. Considering both inflation and new technologies in dialysis, they arrived at $129,000 as a more appropriate threshold for deciding coverage. "That means that if Medicare paid an additional $129,000 to treat a group of patients, on average, group members would get one more quality-adjusted life year," Zenios says. Based on patient surveys, one "quality of life" year is defined as about two years of life on dialysis.

Zenios's conclusions arrive amidst mounting debate over whether Medicare, the U.S. government health plan for seniors, ought to use cost-effectiveness analysis in determining coverage of procedures. Nearly all other industrial nations — including Canada, Britain and the Netherlands — ration health care based on cost-effectiveness and the $50,000 threshold. Medicare, on the other hand, decides whether to pay for new technology based on whether a treatment is "medically necessary and appropriate."

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1808049,00.html

 

[bgbigdog]

This.

How foregoing a few games save a grandfather? Shouldn't the grandfather and just not go to the game?

"Personally, I can easily forego attending a couple of athletic contests if that means somebody’s grandfather gets to live a few more years. I am somebody’s grandfather, and I hope somebody else would do the same for me."

By cancelling spring football in the Ivies, how many grandfathers will be saved, and how would that occur?

Could grandfathers just not go to spring practices and spring games? Wouldn't that be better and easier on society?

If it saves just one, isn’t that worthwhile?

I’m more concerned about the grandmothers, grandfathers & fragile individuals with underlying conditions that might see these kids this weekend, during spring break, at Easter & beyond because the most ass-kicking element of this disease, besides the mortality risks, as we know it is that there are carriers who don’t show the symptoms and don’t know they have it. It’s so virulent that even the most minor contact with someone with it can result in another infection. Community spread is real. And while the young and healthy will likely fare just fine, it’s killing the first three groups I mentioned, and am part of, all over the world. Trying to isolate & burn his thing out where it is currently seems to me to be a prudent course of action, at least to me. If it does run it’s course & is contained things can be picked up and we can look forward to the next season. I’d like to be around to see next season, cause right now, with what’s going on in the world, this one means nothing to me.

No, saving just one is often not worth it. Are, again, cars. We could save 37,000 people a year by banning cars.

If kids are out of school or not playing spring ball, they may be home visiting their grandparents.

No, it's not true that minor contact leads to transmission.

No new deaths in US yesterday. Still only 10 people in US with serious or critical conditions.

If you are worried about yourself or grandparents, stay home and have them stay home. Cancelling spring ball isn't going to save anyone.

Overreaction.

So says the omnipotent. You have absolutely nothing to base any of what you said on, but that never stops you. We’ll see. In my business, I talk to primary care physicians regularly. They’re all worried and note just how far behind the curve in testing we are because of sheer incompetence. In China, they went from denial to authoritarian and seem to have it under control. In South Korea, they have real leadership and are doing it with testing. In America, we went denial or we would have had tests at the ready. All of the supposed overreaction now, may wind up helping with implementing behaviors that will be helpful in addressing the actual issue, social distancing, limiting exposure to large groups.

But what the hell...Hopefully, you’ll contract it so we can hear about your kicking it’s ass. Can’t wait to read about it.

 

[indian-outlaw]

heard today from CDC that death rate is actually less than 1%. Liberal media will spin this to make it look like the zombie apocalypse is upon us. Pretty soon they will be reporting a shortage of toilet paper oh wait that was last week.

Why don't they ever report on the recovery rate? Oh because that does not look dismal at all.

Not sure where you're getting these numbers but I highly doubt it is from the CDC. I just ran the numbers myself and currently there are 97,939 cases of known infections and 3,386 deaths. That is ~3.4% mortality, which is way higher that the flu. Some virologists are predicting that 70% of the worlds population will be effected by this virus. If that is anywhere true then hundreds of millions of people will die.
The narrative that it is just a media conspiracy to make big daddy Donald look bad doesn't make any sense to a logical person.

 

[grizindabox]

heard today from CDC that death rate is actually less than 1%. Liberal media will spin this to make it look like the zombie apocalypse is upon us. Pretty soon they will be reporting a shortage of toilet paper oh wait that was last week.

Why don't they ever report on the recovery rate? Oh because that does not look dismal at all.

Not sure where you're getting these numbers but I highly doubt it is from the CDC. I just ran the numbers myself and currently there are 97,939 cases of known infections and 3,386 deaths. That is ~3.4% mortality, which is way higher that the flu. Some virologists are predicting that 70% of the worlds population will be effected by this virus. If that is anywhere true then hundreds of millions of people will die.
The narrative that it is just a media conspiracy to make big daddy Donald look bad doesn't make any sense to a logical person.

I think the key word is "known". How many cases are "unknown"? That is why people tend to think the mortality rate is lower. But if the infection rate is higher, even at a lower mortality rate, it could be a sizable number, and just how many deaths is acceptable?

 

[bgbigdog]

heard today from CDC that death rate is actually less than 1%. Liberal media will spin this to make it look like the zombie apocalypse is upon us. Pretty soon they will be reporting a shortage of toilet paper oh wait that was last week.

Why don't they ever report on the recovery rate? Oh because that does not look dismal at all.

Not sure where you're getting these numbers but I highly doubt it is from the CDC. I just ran the numbers myself and currently there are 97,939 cases of known infections and 3,386 deaths. That is ~3.4% mortality, which is way higher that the flu. Some virologists are predicting that 70% of the worlds population will be effected by this virus. If that is anywhere true then hundreds of millions of people will die.
The narrative that it is just a media conspiracy to make big daddy Donald look bad doesn't make any sense to a logical person.

I think the key word is "known". How many cases are "unknown"? That is why people tend to think the mortality rate is lower. But if the infection rate is higher, even at a lower mortality rate, it could be a sizable number, and just how many deaths is acceptable?

God has spoken.

Stanford economists have demonstrated that the average value of a year of quality human life is actually closer to about $129,000.

Simple multiplication.

Ps. Old folks can suck it.