It starts with the O-line

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Why would we not try throwing a few swing passes to Van in that game. It would have got the ball out of JJ's hands quick, taken pressure off the Oline, and also get Van out in space right away, since our line failed to block anyone. Also what about throwing a few screens to Van. He seams like he would be a perfect weapon for the HB screen. Our coaches didn't try this once? :wtf:

Exactly! A screen on a couple third downs would have killed their blitzes. C'mon two offensive coordinators!

I kept hoping one of them would figure that out.................

 

[Guardiangriz]

When are we going to give credit where credit is due, and face the facts?? Listen.. NAU looked GOOD. Their D looked fast, aggressive, hungry, and tough.. across the board. How can you blame the O-line?? They haven't played anyone with respectability since Appy st.. had a bye week, played half a game against UND, played a quarter of a game against OPSU, and then play a hungry NAU team in a packed house at home?? Not making excuses, but I'm not going to listen this "the o-line didn't show up". This game got out of hand because of some un-characteristic fumbles, and the results of 2 of the 3 were game changing. Simply without the two returned fumbles, all of a sudden this game is much closer. Did the O-line play very well?? They certainly could have played better.

We've seen these games before.. anyone remember Sac st in 2011?? How about Weber in 2008?? remember how those seasons turned out?? I can't believe you all think we should just waltz through the season w/ out a loss.. give me a break. NAU was tough on Saturday... and they kicked us around a little bit. Let's not forget... our offense drove the ball at times.. we just had some BAD (really bad) T/O's.

Now, I won't be shocked to see NAU go to MSU and get thumped.. simply because of the letdown "griz hangover" we all see time and time again.. but what I saw on Saturday night was a pretty dangerous NAU squad.

GO GRIZ

 

[wbtfg]

#grizhangover

 

[stubbins]

We've seen these games before.. anyone remember Sac st in 2011?? How about Weber in 2008?? remember how those seasons turned out??

I remember who the coach wasn't in those years....other than that, good post. I think the griz lose 2 or 3 more and make the playoffs.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

NAU isn't that good and they kicked our ass.

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[BadlandsGrizFan]

We've seen these games before.. anyone remember Sac st in 2011?? How about Weber in 2008?? remember how those seasons turned out??

I remember who the coach wasn't in those years....other than that, good post. I think the griz lose 2 or 3 more and make the playoffs.

2 or 3 more? I don't know about that. I'm assuming your thinking a loss to eastern, MSU and who else. I could possibly see one of those a loss..not both.

 

[grizindabox]

NAU isn't that good and they kicked our ass.

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Bingo! The Griz play multiple teams still that are much better than NAU. The Griz looked just like they did last season...mediocre at best.

 

[stubbins]

We've seen these games before.. anyone remember Sac st in 2011?? How about Weber in 2008?? remember how those seasons turned out??

I remember who the coach wasn't in those years....other than that, good post. I think the griz lose 2 or 3 more and make the playoffs.

2 or 3 more? I don't know about that. I'm assuming your thinking a loss to eastern, MSU and who else. I could possibly see one of those a loss..not both.

Griz will beat the scats. Eastern is tough, Poly is tough, PSU is tough...don't know that the Griz will drop those three, but you know one more egg will be layed somewhere along. If I knew exactly what was going to happen, I'd spend my life in Vegas during football season.

 

[Guardiangriz]

You all that think we're a 'mediocre' team are nuts. I'll put my money on this team any Saturday. Hat's off to NAU for winning.. I'm not saying they are the better team... they just were last weekend.

I'll still bet on Jordy Tripp and our D all season, as well as JJ and our O (and our O-Line). Bring it on. GO GRIZ. :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

One thing that I think will help out with the O-line and the offense would be less attempts at stretching the field, which the coaches seemed to want to do all night. Some quicker passes, screens, etc will help our passing game and help keep our QB from getting hit as much. Once you get that mix back in then the defense is guessing again. NAU knew most all of the pass attempts were going to be long/deep ones so they sat back and covered the home-run shots.

Quicker pass plays that take less time to develop might help alleviate some QB pressure, sacks, and knock downs. It'll also slow some blitzing, which I assume PSU is going to do since the current M.O. of slowing the offense is pressuring Jordy.

Holy crap I was saying this all night. WTH does every pass need to be a 30+ yarder. Throw shorter passes and let the receivers work the YAC numbers.

3rd & 4, we throw a 25-yarder. I almost threw my beer at the tv.

 

[stubbins]

One thing that I think will help out with the O-line and the offense would be less attempts at stretching the field, which the coaches seemed to want to do all night. Some quicker passes, screens, etc will help our passing game and help keep our QB from getting hit as much. Once you get that mix back in then the defense is guessing again. NAU knew most all of the pass attempts were going to be long/deep ones so they sat back and covered the home-run shots.

Quicker pass plays that take less time to develop might help alleviate some QB pressure, sacks, and knock downs. It'll also slow some blitzing, which I assume PSU is going to do since the current M.O. of slowing the offense is pressuring Jordy.

Holy crap I was saying this all night. WTH does every pass need to be a 30+ yarder. Throw shorter passes and let the receivers work the YAC numbers.

3rd & 4, we throw a 25-yarder. I almost threw my beer at the tv.

What a waste of beer, unless it was an empty...

 

[CV Griz Fan]

We've seen these games before.. anyone remember Sac st in 2011?? How about Weber in 2008?? remember how those seasons turned out??

I remember who the coach wasn't in those years....other than that, good post. I think the griz lose 2 or 3 more and make the playoffs.

2 or 3 more? I don't know about that. I'm assuming your thinking a loss to eastern, MSU and who else. I could possibly see one of those a loss..not both.

Griz will beat the scats. Eastern is tough, Poly is tough, PSU is tough...don't know that the Griz will drop those three, but you know one more egg will be layed somewhere along. If I knew exactly what was going to happen, I'd spend my life in Vegas during football season.

I agree with you but with a caveat. The conference schedule overall seems tougher this year. The Griz had three automatic wins last year in NC, WSU and ISU. This year the Griz have UC Davis and WSU. PSU, Cal Poly and Sac State will be a little more challenging for the Griz IMO.

 

[Born2BaGriz]

Actually as bad as they were they still only gave up two touchdowns and that was in the first half.
It still comes down to how bad the "O" line performed not giving any blocking for running and no time for Jordy to pick them apart.

Story of being and offensive lineman. Very little glory when things are going well and it all rests on their shoulders when things didn't go well. And all the time judged by individuals that do not know that there is so much more to being a good offensive lineman than sheer size. While I will admit the line played poorly and did themselves no favors by creating mental mistakes yet the 2 headed OC did them no favors in place them in no-win situations. In this particular game the NAU defense did not have to respect the run game, a blitz package and were able to Tee off on every play.

As you can tell, I am a long time participant of this board and read far more than I post. Most of you that know me, know that I am a former Griz Olineman also spent a couple years assisting in high school after my playing days were over. All that being said, I am unaware of the scheme the Griz are using up front. I'm not sure if the center is making the determination of how a particular play is to be blocked based upon the defense presented or how they are going about it. In fact, I doubt many of you making comments comprehend the number of variations of how a particular play can be blocked based upon not only the alignment of the defensive lineman but the type of coverage the defensive backs are in. I won't bore you with all the details about this again but suffice to say that three quarters of this board wouldn't be able to play offensive line at the FCS or FBS level even if they were 6 foot 8 and 315 pounds. There tends to be a reason why the offensive front has one of the better GPA's on the team.

In my humble opinion, what should have happened after the defense was able to play no holes barred we should have had a package very similar to what NAU was using. Many of you are failing to recognize that the package they were using made sacks nearly impossible as they were moving the pocket, running complete timing patterns and getting rid of the ball very quickly. It became very obvious to me that we needed to ditch the delayed handoff read type of running play because NAU was not allowing for it to work. I believe if we would've had some success at moving JJ out of the pocket, throwing timing patterns, bubble screens and such we could have caused NAU to be more respectful and thus causing to be more conservative. However, when they score 14 points on turnovers and already have a lead there is little fear in giving up an occasional big-play. Again I concede the poor play up front but it was exacerbated by poor playcalling and lack of adjustments to what was being done on the field. My bet is you will see a very determined line in the coming week and PSU will bear the brunt of their fury. In addition, I do hope to be able to come back on here next week and offer up yet another one of my few posts requesting that all of you that were so quick to blame the front will be as quick as to praise. But then, those of us that actually toiled in the trenches don't do it to be noticed by the fans, they do for each other and for their team.

 

[bigkid]

Actually as bad as they were they still only gave up two touchdowns and that was in the first half.
It still comes down to how bad the "O" line performed not giving any blocking for running and no time for Jordy to pick them apart.

Story of being and offensive lineman. Very little glory when things are going well and it all rests on their shoulders when things didn't go well. And all the time judged by individuals that do not know that there is so much more to being a good offensive lineman than sheer size. While I will admit the line played poorly and did themselves no favors by creating mental mistakes yet the 2 headed OC did them no favors in place them in no-win situations. In this particular game the NAU defense did not have to respect the run game, a blitz package and were able to Tee off on every play.

As you can tell, I am a long time participant of this board and read far more than I post. Most of you that know me, know that I am a former Griz Olineman also spent a couple years assisting in high school after my playing days were over. All that being said, I am unaware of the scheme the Griz are using up front. I'm not sure if the center is making the determination of how a particular play is to be blocked based upon the defense presented or how they are going about it. In fact, I doubt many of you making comments comprehend the number of variations of how a particular play can be blocked based upon not only the alignment of the defensive lineman but the type of coverage the defensive backs are in. I won't bore you with all the details about this again but suffice to say that three quarters of this board wouldn't be able to play offensive line at the FCS or FBS level even if they were 6 foot 8 and 315 pounds. There tends to be a reason why the offensive front has one of the better GPA's on the team.

In my humble opinion, what should have happened after the defense was able to play no holes barred we should have had a package very similar to what NAU was using. Many of you are failing to recognize that the package they were using made sacks nearly impossible as they were moving the pocket, running complete timing patterns and getting rid of the ball very quickly. It became very obvious to me that we needed to ditch the delayed handoff read type of running play because NAU was not allowing for it to work. I believe if we would've had some success at moving JJ out of the pocket, throwing timing patterns, bubble screens and such we could have caused NAU to be more respectful and thus causing to be more conservative. However, when they score 14 points on turnovers and already have a lead there is little fear in giving up an occasional big-play. Again I concede the poor play up front but it was exacerbated by poor playcalling and lack of adjustments to what was being done on the field. My bet is you will see a very determined line in the coming week and PSU will bear the brunt of their fury. In addition, I do hope to be able to come back on here next week and offer up yet another one of my few posts requesting that all of you that were so quick to blame the front will be as quick as to praise. But then, those of us that actually toiled in the trenches don't do it to be noticed by the fans, they do for each other and for their team.

Great post :thumb: Thanks for the insight.

 

[mcg]

Nice post b2b, thanks for a little perspective.

 

[argh!]

this o-line received plenty of credit for their performances in the app and und games. they have repeatedly been called the biggest strength of the team by posters. they had a lousy game against nau, and that is what the comments here have pointed out. i think this is one of the rare occasions in which the rank and file of egriz have been 'fair' in victory and in defeat, i.e. have not ignored great play by the o-line when they played great, and didn't ignore the line when they played crappy. so i'm gonna go ahead and disagree with b2b a little bit. and hope i'm faster than he is!

 

[grizfromhel]

Good post B2B. I keep learning more of the true "inside" football and have come to appreciate how smart and dedicated you need to be, to be a successful offensive lineman. Also how much teamwork is involved with the O-line, and that they need to almost "feel" each other to truly get their blocking assignments worked out.

True the glory goes to the QB's and RB's---- but without an effective O-line, adjusting to the variety of defensive alignments thrown at them, none of it would happen.

I can recall several teams whose offense floundered for the first half of the season, and then suddenly got much better. Usually the credit for this "turnaround" is given to the backfield, when in fact it is that the O-line got things figured out and started working as a coordinated unit. The fact is it is damn hard to get there, and some teams never do.

 

[bigkid]

What I also wonder is if they re-evaluate Trevor Poole at guard. Trevor had a pretty bad game, but he's a tackle who is kind of stuck playing guard right now. I know they want their best linemen out there and it's a bit of a conundrum what to do. Rotate Poole and Schmaing at tackle and get Weyer or Hines back at guard?

Not sure the answer, I'd hope Gragg will be testing some different looks out this week.

This is a spot on observation BW

 

[stubbins]

Actually as bad as they were they still only gave up two touchdowns and that was in the first half.
It still comes down to how bad the "O" line performed not giving any blocking for running and no time for Jordy to pick them apart.

Story of being and offensive lineman. Very little glory when things are going well and it all rests on their shoulders when things didn't go well. And all the time judged by individuals that do not know that there is so much more to being a good offensive lineman than sheer size. While I will admit the line played poorly and did themselves no favors by creating mental mistakes yet the 2 headed OC did them no favors in place them in no-win situations. In this particular game the NAU defense did not have to respect the run game, a blitz package and were able to Tee off on every play.

As you can tell, I am a long time participant of this board and read far more than I post. Most of you that know me, know that I am a former Griz Olineman also spent a couple years assisting in high school after my playing days were over. All that being said, I am unaware of the scheme the Griz are using up front. I'm not sure if the center is making the determination of how a particular play is to be blocked based upon the defense presented or how they are going about it. In fact, I doubt many of you making comments comprehend the number of variations of how a particular play can be blocked based upon not only the alignment of the defensive lineman but the type of coverage the defensive backs are in. I won't bore you with all the details about this again but suffice to say that three quarters of this board wouldn't be able to play offensive line at the FCS or FBS level even if they were 6 foot 8 and 315 pounds. There tends to be a reason why the offensive front has one of the better GPA's on the team.

In my humble opinion, what should have happened after the defense was able to play no holes barred we should have had a package very similar to what NAU was using. Many of you are failing to recognize that the package they were using made sacks nearly impossible as they were moving the pocket, running complete timing patterns and getting rid of the ball very quickly. It became very obvious to me that we needed to ditch the delayed handoff read type of running play because NAU was not allowing for it to work. I believe if we would've had some success at moving JJ out of the pocket, throwing timing patterns, bubble screens and such we could have caused NAU to be more respectful and thus causing to be more conservative. However, when they score 14 points on turnovers and already have a lead there is little fear in giving up an occasional big-play. Again I concede the poor play up front but it was exacerbated by poor playcalling and lack of adjustments to what was being done on the field. My bet is you will see a very determined line in the coming week and PSU will bear the brunt of their fury. In addition, I do hope to be able to come back on here next week and offer up yet another one of my few posts requesting that all of you that were so quick to blame the front will be as quick as to praise. But then, those of us that actually toiled in the trenches don't do it to be noticed by the fans, they do for each other and for their team.

Wow...excellent. post more often, please.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Why would we not try throwing a few swing passes to Van in that game. It would have got the ball out of JJ's hands quick, taken pressure off the Oline, and also get Van out in space right away, since our line failed to block anyone. Also what about throwing a few screens to Van. He seams like he would be a perfect weapon for the HB screen. Our coaches didn't try this once? :wtf:

I think the coaches got our FB confused with Van. They sure in the hell motioned him out wide a few too many times. Seriously, did not make any sense.