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Da Boyz Mom said:
Them not looking at good FCS schools has nothing to do with whether UTEP is trash which we all know it is. They're probably only talking to schools that have reached out and expressed interest. No one knows whether any of the Montana or Dakota schools have done so.
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It's on our ADs/Presidents being content to be left behind and on the MWC for not reaching out themselves. We'd need an invite so if the MWC reached out I'm sure it would bare minimum get them to look at it.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
Tarleton State's athletic budget is $7.8 million. How ever will they come up with the extra $25 million to close the gap (that people have been saying is necessary) and join an FBS conference? Don't they know it simply can't be done?
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Sure it can. It is just evident to most BSC schools that they can't do it.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
They assume, like many, that this isn't the final shoe to drop. They are working to position themselves for any future opportunity.
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This is looking like the best chance we are probably going to have for the foreseeable future, and we're already positioned better then Tarleton State and most other FCS programs, even some FBS ones. In terms of facilities, fan support, location etc. we are already up there, this is reeking of incompetence from both thr Montana schools leadership and the MWC.
 
Ut-Grizfan said:
This is looking like the best chance we are probably going to have for the foreseeable future, and we're already positioned better then Tarleton State and most other FCS programs, even some FBS ones. In terms of facilities, fan support, location etc. we are already up there.
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You think they are in a better position. It doesn't seem like the MWC or the schools themselves believe they are in a good position.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
You think they are in a better position. It doesn't seem like the MWC or the schools themselves believe they are in a good position.
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Again if the MWC thinks Tarelton State is better then consistent, investing and well supported Football and athletic based schools in their own backyard then good riddance. Granted our leadership hasn't helped sitting on their hands either.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
Tarleton State's athletic budget is $7.8 million. How ever will they come up with the extra $25 million to close the gap (that people have been saying is necessary) and join an FBS conference? Don't they know it simply can't be done?
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They won't be very successful in general and they won't doing well playing in the MW if they somehow got there. The gap for UM to get to the average of the MW budgets is $25 million. That number doesn't include annual NIL money. For Tarleton, their gap would be $43 million. Who would want to watch Tarleton St? Talk about an automatic flip the channel.
 
Ut-Grizfan said:
Again if the MWC thinks Tarelton State is better then consistent, investing and well supported Football and athletic based schools in their own backyard then good riddance. Granted our leadership hasn't helped sitting on their hands either.
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When that consistent, investing, and well supported athletic program sees the financial hurdle to high to overcome. Do you honestly think they wouldn't pursue this opportunity if the projected finances penciled?
 
CDAGRIZ said:
Thanks. I couldn't find the current Tarleton number. The $7.8 million was from 2019 on a website talking about moving up to DI from DII.
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Part of it is that Tarleton charges their students $400 more per semester for an athletic fee than Montana does, from what I am seeing. We have been really good about not forcing student fees to bear the brunt of an athletics program, and that is one area I am very proud of the MUS system for maintaining. They get something like $9.4 million more per year for athletics than UM gets by forcing their students to pay higher fees. If my math is correct, of course.

JMU was over $2,000 per student per year when they were looking at moving up.

Right or wrong, that is how some of these places are funding the FBS movement. I'd really like to see us NOT go that route if we are moving up.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
Part of it is that Tarleton charges their students $400 more per semester for an athletic fee than Montana does, from what I am seeing. We have been really good about not forcing student fees to bear the brunt of an athletics program, and that is one area I am very proud of the MUS system for maintaining. They get something like $9.4 million more per year for athletics than UM gets by forcing their students to pay higher fees. If my math is correct, of course.

JMU was over $2,000 per student per year when they were looking at moving up.

Right or wrong, that is how some of these places are funding the FBS movement. I'd really like to see us NOT go that route if we are moving up.
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There isn't an avenue without increasing student athletic fees.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
There isn't an avenue without increasing student athletic fees.
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That is what I'm afraid of. I am very against the idea of Montana kids taking out loans to give that money to the University to fund a move up.

The BoR and OCHE have also been strongly against increasing fees for well over a decade, to my understanding. It has been a minute since I was in school, but I helped shepherd a small fee of something like $15 per student per semester, and it was like pulling teeth even when the student body itself was the one asking for the fee to increase.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
Part of it is that Tarleton charges their students $400 more per semester for an athletic fee than Montana does, from what I am seeing. We have been really good about not forcing student fees to bear the brunt of an athletics program, and that is one area I am very proud of the MUS system for maintaining. They get something like $9.4 million more per year for athletics than UM gets by forcing their students to pay higher fees. If my math is correct, of course.

JMU was over $2,000 per student per year when they were looking at moving up.

Right or wrong, that is how some of these places are funding the FBS movement. I'd really like to see us NOT go that route if we are moving up.
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I understand what you're saying, but I think a $400/semester increase is kind of a drop in the bucket. There would be some pushback, but good things cost money. Forgive the analogy, but it kind of feels like we are stuck in the long-passed era of expecting $3.00 2-egg breakfasts.
 
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