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HelenaHandBasket said:
Yep, old news. People made a lot of assumptions, but there was very little concrete. Stanford and Cal might not be available for years, even with the lawsuit.
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If Clemson et al wins, or basically wins, their lawsuit and departs, then Cal/Stanford could do the same thing. Maybe they wouldn't want to come back. But the travel will kill their athletes, and I don't think the fans will be happy with the ACC and travel either. Stanford especially needs to figure out what to do with its zillions of Olympic sports too. Coming back to a new Pac-12 isn't necessarily the answer for the those sports either, depending on who's in the conference.
 
So far rep has stated that the AAC won't work for Cal/Stanford and the Pac might not, because of the teams. Sounds like a whole lot of nothing to have 50 posts about.
 
Berkeley_Griz said:
My knowledge is less than a day old. I communicate with some of the biggest donors at Berkeley nearly daily. Stanford, more like a couple times a month. Your information, however, definitely seems either dated, or not from the real movers and shakers (you did mention you talked more to older donors).

The new PAC is not, in any way shape or form, P5. That is a ridiculous take They will be lucky to get a media contract worth 7-8 million per school.
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Amazon wants content badly. They will overpay. I’d expect 12-15 million
 
Ut-Grizfan said:
The Contract can only be visited before 2030 if they go below 15 teams, they'd never let that happen.
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I’ll just say this: Any contract can be “visited” at any time. If you have someone telling you otherwise, in whatever context, run the other way and call another person.
 
Berkeley_Griz said:
After spending 7 of the past 11 years at these two institutions, let me assure you - No, they absolutely will not.
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What happens if their lesser sports tank because recruits pass on spending every other weekend living out of a suitcase for 3 or 4 days? Olympic sports seem to be an institutional priority at Stanford as well as academics. That travel will be a nightmare for actual "student athletes" trying to keep up in classes. I'm curious if that was discussed when they moved east.
 
mthoopsfan said:
I still call BS on you. How do you spend all your years at Cal and Stanford, and now run a successful business?
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MS, PhD = 7 years. Started business after graduation. Not sure what about this completely normal timeline confuses you.

Stanford and Cal will not go back to the PAC until it is literally their only remaining option. If you think they're even considering it, you have bad intel, probably because you - as you said - are mostly talking to older donors, which makes sense, because you're old. You're apparently out of touch with the real movers and shakers nowadays, but who cares? Your ego sends you into these insane pissy tirades anytime someone disagrees with you. Also, no, the PAC is not anywhere near a P5, despite your confusion.
 
Hoops watcher said:
What happens if their lesser sports tank because recruits pass on spending every other weekend living out of a suitcase for 3 or 4 days? Olympic sports seem to be an institutional priority at Stanford as well as academics. That travel will be a nightmare for actual "student athletes" trying to keep up in classes. I'm curious if that was discussed when they moved east.
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Olympic sports are a priority at Berkeley, too. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I think at this prior Olympics Stanford and Berkeley were #1 and #2 most represented universities by the competitors. But to your question, yes, it was very much discussed. I don't think anyone is saying the travel is ideal. But neither institution wants those Olympic sports relegated to playing inferior competition in a rebuilt PAC/ new-name MWC, as that is not a good way to keep the strength of those programs alive either.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Berkley, I see that you previously said Cal/Stanford would/could return to the Pac-12 if ACC felt apart. That's essentially what I have been saying tonight. Why are saying something else now? The bottom post is your Sept. 14 post. It's nice to see you agreeing with me.


They'll only do so if the ACC falls apart. They easily could have stayed with WSU and OSU, kept the PAC settlement money, and invited a few MWC schools in the first place if that was what they wanted.
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So now you're saying that you agree with me, that Cal and Stanford will only consider coming back if/ when they literally have no other choice, even though you've spent all this time saying they'd look at coming back if the new PAC takes off while asking other people what Cal and Stanford's financial obligations to the ACC are and wondering aloud if they could get out of the ACC. Sure. Great. If now you're claiming that all you meant was they'll come back if they have literally no other choice, then I'm glad you've seen the light and decided to agree with me.
 
ordigger said:
Amazon wants content badly. They will overpay. I’d expect 12-15 million
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They could, but I think they lost their shot at something like that when they missed on their apparent plan to add all the best remaining G5 (Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, USF). The issue now is no other competitor would be likely to pay anything close to 15, and Amazon only needs to be the highest bid, not the highest bid by a lot. If they pulled in even 10 - 12 each that would still be an absolutely enormous win for the old MWC schools. And I'd be happy to be wrong and see them all get 15.
 
Berkeley_Griz said:
Olympic sports are a priority at Berkeley, too. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I think at this prior Olympics Stanford and Berkeley were #1 and #2 most represented universities by the competitors. But to your question, yes, it was very much discussed. I don't think anyone is saying the travel is ideal. But neither institution wants those Olympic sports relegated to playing inferior competition in a rebuilt PAC/ new-name MWC, as that is not a good way to keep the strength of those programs alive either.
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Any school that does not have wrestling does not prioritize olympic sports...Stanford, yes...Berkeley, no...
 
Berkeley_Griz said:
So now you're saying that you agree with me, that Cal and Stanford will only consider coming back if/ when they literally have no other choice, even though you've spent all this time saying they'd look at coming back if the new PAC takes off while asking other people what Cal and Stanford's financial obligations to the ACC are and wondering aloud if they could get out of the ACC. Sure. Great. If now you're claiming that all you meant was they'll come back if they have literally no other choice, then I'm glad you've seen the light and decided to agree with me.
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I don’t know what you believe since you were inconsistent and essentially lied. You also said no one is even talking about the possibility of coming back to a revived Pac-12. That is also not true. You also eventually said you have no special knowledge. That is clear.

Stanford-Cal will not be happy with ACC due to the extreme and expensive travel and its impact on athletes, diminished rivalries and interest, and the multiple weak teams and schools in ACC. The ACC is probably going to lose some top teams and have considerable turmoil and turnover. Stanford-Cal have a small percentage share of conference revenue for a long time. Many alums are not going to be happy with where they are.

If the PAC-12 can get going in a strong way, and that is not assured, I believe Stanford-Cal will consider a return. There are lots of moving pieces, and realignment is still in progress in a big way. I was in the Bay Area last week for an event with a dozen Stanford, several of whom are big donors. I also met with friends who are big donors to Stanford and Cal. Everyone was talking about the recent PAC-12 moves and a possible return. No one was saying that was in the works or would happen.

Things will keep changing. I was glad to see your Sept 14 post and see that you agreed with me.
 
Berkeley_Griz said:
MS, PhD = 7 years. Started business after graduation. Not sure what about this completely normal timeline confuses you.

Stanford and Cal will not go back to the PAC until it is literally their only remaining option. If you think they're even considering it, you have bad intel, probably because you - as you said - are mostly talking to older donors, which makes sense, because you're old. You're apparently out of touch with the real movers and shakers nowadays, but who cares? Your ego sends you into these insane pissy tirades anytime someone disagrees with you. Also, no, the PAC is not anywhere near a P5, despite your confusion.
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Not many phd’s run successful businesses, in my experience. As a longtime corporate and tech lawyer. And most younger heads of successful businesses don’t spend their time on athletic message boards on Mondays. No tirade here. Just proving you wrong.
 
MissoulaMarinerFan said:
Agreed. Probably won't happen....but we've seen MSU just do what they want before whether they had BOR approval or not (cough, Business school, cough). I'll believe in the BOR actually blocking them from doing something before I believe it to ever happen.

If it did happen - maybe everyone would be happy with an all MT roster in all sports finally. 😜😅
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Dude. we've had a business school forever. We just didn't have a $50M building for it until just recently. What MSU doesn't have is an MBA.
 
mthoopsfan said:
I don’t know what you believe since you were inconsistent and essentially lied. You also said no one is even talking about the possibility of coming back to a revived Pac-12. That is also not true. You also eventually said you have no special knowledge. That is clear.

Stanford-Cal will not be happy with ACC due to the extreme and expensive travel and its impact on athletes, diminished rivalries and interest, and the multiple weak teams and schools in ACC. The ACC is probably going to lose some top teams and have considerable turmoil and turnover. Stanford-Cal have a small percentage share of conference revenue for a long time. Many alums are not going to be happy with where they are.

If the PAC-12 can get going in a strong way, and that is not assured, I believe Stanford-Cal will consider a return. There are lots of moving pieces, and realignment is still in progress in a big way. I was in the Bay Area last week for an event with a dozen Stanford, several of whom are big donors. I also met with friends who are big donors to Stanford and Cal. Everyone was talking about the recent PAC-12 moves and a possible return. No one was saying that was in the works or would happen.

Things will keep changing. I was glad to see your Sept 14 post and see that you agreed with me.
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Please point out where I lied. And if you can't, stop lying.

I'm sorry you have bad contacts. You're old and not well-connected with the younger mover and shakers, so it's understandable.

Glad to see you've come around, flip-flopped on what you were saying, and chosen to agree with me.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Not many phd’s run successful businesses, in my experience. As a longtime corporate and tech lawyer. And most younger heads of successful businesses don’t spend their time on athletic message boards on Mondays. No tirade here. Just proving you wrong.
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You've only proven, once again, that your most consistent personality trait is being completely incapable of hearing that you're wrong without throwing a temper tantrum.

If you think not many PhDs run successful businesses, you've not spent nearly enough time on the Stanford or Berkeley campuses, or you spent your time entirely within the wrong departments.

Apparently you've never run a successful business. At this point it takes me all of about 15 hours per week. I pay people (well) to run the day to day.
 
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