Is undercutting Griz wins a sign of

[GrizRealist]

They were outgained by a D2 team at home. And before you go off on how good of a D2 team they are, a different D2 school was able to gain more/score more against them last week than a FCS ranked team that has the same coach for long enough to “have his guys” and coaches on staff to show what Bobby 2.0 is really about. Spin away, but be ready for a lot more spins after they play top tier BSC teams. Coaches picked them 6th and I say that looks pretty accurate right now, and if that is acceptable to you I don’t know what to say.

And Griz won. Games are decided on points not yards. And Griz held Ferris to much less than their TO average.

If you don’t think Ferris is best team played by Griz and better than any Cat wins, then I don’t know what to say, other than you don’t know much about football.

One game at a time.

How much do you want to bet on whether Griz will do better than 6th in conference?

Context is important as it related to how well a team did or did not play. Stats create context. Yeah, the final score is all that truly matters, but how that score came to be is not worthless information. Also the transistive property is dumb as it relates to football. Montana having the best win among OOC games with the Cats DOES NOT mean they are a better team.

 

[MiningCityGrizFan]

The premise is correct. The premise is about undercutting wins, not about the quality of the team. Can you not even read?

If you want to look at stats, look at how Ferris scored only 10 points and none in the second half. And how Ferris was kept well below its average TO.

Did u watch the 2021 Griz v Cat game?

UM has a terrific coaching staff.

Name any poster who isn’t concerned about the O performance against Ferris. Name anyone who is complacent about the program.

UM has 2 returning all conference o-lineman plus Walker. Cook is playing in NFL. UM is 10 deep on o-line this season. Germer is a good coach.

No. I can’t read. I just smashed the keyboard, and it happened to produce my comment.

The point I made was that people who were undercutting the win simply because Ferris State was D2 didn’t understand football. Then I made the case that it was a quality win for the Griz, but only because the Bulldogs were arguably the better team on Saturday.

Yes, I did see the 2021 brawl, and then I saw how State’s coaching staff adapted to the Griz scheme in 2022. Listen to Tommy’s comments in the post game presser. He summarizied how the Griz defense wasn’t gap sound and how they exploited it.

It’s concerning that an entire calendar year went by and the uber-experienced Griz coaching staff failed to address this weakness.

That’s scary knowing we’re running the same scheme this year with a first year coordinator and with players who aren’t as talented or experienced as last year’s team. So I’m bracing for what might be the most embarassing loss to State in Missoula come November.

Though by that point, the Idaho and Sac St. games will have made sure that no one is as suprised as we were when UM laid and egg in Bozo-ville with College Gameday in attendance.

By the way, it’s nothing personal against the players. They all have tremendous heart and work their tails off for this program. In my opinion, the coaches haven’t adapted the schemes to maximize thier talent.

And with this particular defensive scheme there isn’t anyone setting the edge, which makes them suseptible to teams with speed that can get around end. That’s what State did with Tommy Mellot and their run game last year.

So that’s why I disagree with the argument that UM has a terrific coaching staff.

They have an experienced coaching staff with some impressive coaching resumes, but they haven’t done anything terrific since they returned.

Yes the Washington win was awesome but that turned out to be one of the worst Husky teams in history. And that, along with the 2021 win over Bozeman, are the sole highlights of Hauck 2.0’s tenure. A tenure that promised to return the Griz to dominance.

Marketing gimmics and sales pitches aside, this is a staff full of older guys on the down side of their career.

These guys aren’t hungry. They aren’t trying to move up. They’ve all made their money and are content to get through each football season, enjoy their famiilies, and life in Montana.

I don’t begrudge them wanting to be on the river or the golf course at this phase of thier lives. Coaching is hard profession that’s hard on families. It’s just not what we were sold as fans when they moved on from Stitt.

If you go back and listen to Haslam’s presser after they chose to part ways with Stitt after only three years while he was in the middle of his rebuild, it’s clear the same “standard” that Stitt didn’t meet doesn’t exist for Hauck and his regime of close friends.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Not understanding the game of football?

The past 2 seasons, the number of posters discounting and Pooh poohing Griz wins has grown significantly.

If you don’t think Ferris was a good team, then I don’t believe there is any hope for you. Jeez, look at what Hauck said about them.

The Griz have a ways to go, but they are going in the right direction. We will see if they can get there for the tough conference games.

It sounds like the crowd was awesome.

No dude. Here’s the deal. I appreciate how die hard a supporter you are, I am too. Most all of us are. But we are skeptical of our wins, hoping for better, while you make excuses for our losses, saying it’s good enough. That’s a textbook loser’s mentality. It’s not good enough until we win championships, and even then we should always be improving. Not to say we need the Scat’s WAAC mentality, but we can do better. We have a great program, it can and should get better. No disrespect to our boys, they played their hearts out and I’m dang proud of them. I don’t believe they’re being given the tools and resources to win championships in today’s game environment. Sucks to say, because I appreciate Bobby’s attitude, but I’m beginning to see the light, we are not adapting at the pace we need to. This isn’t 2009. Shoot, the game has changed drastically even since 2018. A good coach gets with it or gets out. This isn’t personal, this is business.

I think you’re right in that we should be enjoying these wins more. We also did just play a great team. But, on the flip side, we did play like fudge pooh. Our defense did great, our offense needs help. Nearly all of the help needs to come from the playcalling, it was pathetic.

Hoping and optimistic that we will get better as the season progresses, but rightfully skeptical.

We don’t have any losses. That’s my point. Look at the thread and early posts.

I don’t make excuses for losses, but occasionally explain why. An explanation is not an excuse. If no you don’t think Johnson’s injury impacted the SS and Weber games, and his torn ligament impacted the last half of the 2022 season, then I don’t know what to say to you.

I have never said any loss or any poor
Result was good enough. Not once in my entire life. I am more competitive and have a bigger winking attitude than virtually anyone on the board. That’s what made me successful in college football and life.

I played football on a 14th ranked D-I team. We won the lambert Trophy ahead of Penn St one year. I was unanimous first team all conference. I lost 2 games during my 4-year college career, one of which I was hurt for. I always think my team can win. I never give up.

You understand football, but not as much as you think. I doubt you played on a top D-I team. I doubt I you know much about play-calling either. But tell us about how you would have called the plays

If you want to debate, let’s debate.

 

[mthoopsfan]

And Griz won. Games are decided on points not yards. And Griz held Ferris to much less than their TO average.

If you don’t think Ferris is best team played by Griz and better than any Cat wins, then I don’t know what to say, other than you don’t know much about football.

One game at a time.

How much do you want to bet on whether Griz will do better than 6th in conference?

Context is important as it related to how well a team did or did not play. Stats create context. Yeah, the final score is all that truly matters, but how that score came to be is not worthless information. Also the transistive property is dumb as it relates to football. Montana having the best win among OOC games with the Cats DOES NOT mean they are a better team.

What are you talking about? You are trying to argue that total offense and stats are more important than points. Who has said the Griz are better than the Cats based on OOC record. Certainly not me.

 

[uptopgriz]

No dude. Here’s the deal. I appreciate how die hard a supporter you are, I am too. Most all of us are. But we are skeptical of our wins, hoping for better, while you make excuses for our losses, saying it’s good enough. That’s a textbook loser’s mentality. It’s not good enough until we win championships, and even then we should always be improving. Not to say we need the Scat’s WAAC mentality, but we can do better. We have a great program, it can and should get better. No disrespect to our boys, they played their hearts out and I’m dang proud of them. I don’t believe they’re being given the tools and resources to win championships in today’s game environment. Sucks to say, because I appreciate Bobby’s attitude, but I’m beginning to see the light, we are not adapting at the pace we need to. This isn’t 2009. Shoot, the game has changed drastically even since 2018. A good coach gets with it or gets out. This isn’t personal, this is business.

I think you’re right in that we should be enjoying these wins more. We also did just play a great team. But, on the flip side, we did play like fudge pooh. Our defense did great, our offense needs help. Nearly all of the help needs to come from the playcalling, it was pathetic.

Hoping and optimistic that we will get better as the season progresses, but rightfully skeptical.

We don’t have any losses. That’s my point. Look at the thread and early posts.

I don’t make excuses for losses, but occasionally explain why. An explanation is not an excuse. If no you don’t think Johnson’s injury impacted the SS and Weber games, and his torn ligament impacted the last half of the 2022 season, then I don’t know what to say to you.

I have never said any loss or any poor
Result was good enough. Not once in my entire life. I am more competitive and have a bigger winking attitude than virtually anyone on the board. That’s what made me successful in college football and life.

I played football on a 14th ranked D-I team. We won the lambert Trophy ahead of Penn St one year. I was unanimous first team all conference. I lost 2 games during my 4-year college career, one of which I was hurt for. I always think my team can win. I never give up.

You understand football, but not as much as you think. I doubt you played on a top D-I team. I doubt I you know much about play-calling either. But tell us about how you would have called the plays

If you want to debate, let’s debate.

What it demonstrates is poor recruiting and player development by BH and the fishing gang.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

The premise is correct. The premise is about undercutting wins, not about the quality of the team. Can you not even read?

If you want to look at stats, look at how Ferris scored only 10 points and none in the second half. And how Ferris was kept well below its average TO.

Did u watch the 2021 Griz v Cat game?

UM has a terrific coaching staff.

Name any poster who isn’t concerned about the O performance against Ferris. Name anyone who is complacent about the program.

UM has 2 returning all conference o-lineman plus Walker. Cook is playing in NFL. UM is 10 deep on o-line this season. Germer is a good coach.

If you go back and listen to Haslam’s presser after they chose to part ways with Stitt after only three years while he was in the middle of his rebuild, it’s clear the same “standard” that Stitt didn’t meet doesn’t exist for Hauck and his regime of close friends.

What standard do you mean? From my perspective, every Hauck season has been better than Stitt's final season that got him fired. But if you have some evidence of Hauck's season being worse that Stitt's last one, I will look with an open mind.

 

[Coach Armchair]

No dude. Here’s the deal. I appreciate how die hard a supporter you are, I am too. Most all of us are. But we are skeptical of our wins, hoping for better, while you make excuses for our losses, saying it’s good enough. That’s a textbook loser’s mentality. It’s not good enough until we win championships, and even then we should always be improving. Not to say we need the Scat’s WAAC mentality, but we can do better. We have a great program, it can and should get better. No disrespect to our boys, they played their hearts out and I’m dang proud of them. I don’t believe they’re being given the tools and resources to win championships in today’s game environment. Sucks to say, because I appreciate Bobby’s attitude, but I’m beginning to see the light, we are not adapting at the pace we need to. This isn’t 2009. Shoot, the game has changed drastically even since 2018. A good coach gets with it or gets out. This isn’t personal, this is business.

I think you’re right in that we should be enjoying these wins more. We also did just play a great team. But, on the flip side, we did play like fudge pooh. Our defense did great, our offense needs help. Nearly all of the help needs to come from the playcalling, it was pathetic.

Hoping and optimistic that we will get better as the season progresses, but rightfully skeptical.

We don’t have any losses. That’s my point. Look at the thread and early posts.

I don’t make excuses for losses, but occasionally explain why. An explanation is not an excuse. If no you don’t think Johnson’s injury impacted the SS and Weber games, and his torn ligament impacted the last half of the 2022 season, then I don’t know what to say to you.

I have never said any loss or any poor
Result was good enough. Not once in my entire life. I am more competitive and have a bigger winking attitude than virtually anyone on the board. That’s what made me successful in college football and life.

I played football on a 14th ranked D-I team. We won the lambert Trophy ahead of Penn St one year. I was unanimous first team all conference. I lost 2 games during my 4-year college career, one of which I was hurt for. I always think my team can win. I never give up.

You understand football, but not as much as you think. I doubt you played on a top D-I team. I doubt I you know much about play-calling either. But tell us about how you would have called the plays

If you want to debate, let’s debate.

There’s nothing to debate. That’s the sentiment of much of the fan base that you called out in your original post. Take it or leave it, that’s it. I hope that things go well and we can all look back on those feelings and laugh. Only time will tell that, and your words and “qualifications” aren’t going to change that.

Besides, I don’t debate with narcissists.

 

[mthoopsfan]

We don’t have any losses. That’s my point. Look at the thread and early posts.

I don’t make excuses for losses, but occasionally explain why. An explanation is not an excuse. If no you don’t think Johnson’s injury impacted the SS and Weber games, and his torn ligament impacted the last half of the 2022 season, then I don’t know what to say to you.

I have never said any loss or any poor
Result was good enough. Not once in my entire life. I am more competitive and have a bigger winking attitude than virtually anyone on the board. That’s what made me successful in college football and life.

I played football on a 14th ranked D-I team. We won the lambert Trophy ahead of Penn St one year. I was unanimous first team all conference. I lost 2 games during my 4-year college career, one of which I was hurt for. I always think my team can win. I never give up.

You understand football, but not as much as you think. I doubt you played on a top D-I team. I doubt I you know much about play-calling either. But tell us about how you would have called the plays

If you want to debate, let’s debate.

There’s nothing to debate. That’s the sentiment of much of the fan base that you called out in your original post. Take it or leave it, that’s it. I hope that things go well and we can all look back on those feelings and laugh. Only time will tell that, and your words and “qualifications” aren’t going to change that.

Besides, I don’t debate with narcissists.

You are afraid to debate these points and with me.

Do you undercut wins? Can you explain why some people do that?

Can you back up your statement of bad play-calling? You said it. Now explain to us. Or are you just hot air?

 

[Robsnotes4u]

No dude. Here’s the deal. I appreciate how die hard a supporter you are, I am too. Most all of us are. But we are skeptical of our wins, hoping for better, while you make excuses for our losses, saying it’s good enough. That’s a textbook loser’s mentality. It’s not good enough until we win championships, and even then we should always be improving. Not to say we need the Scat’s WAAC mentality, but we can do better. We have a great program, it can and should get better. No disrespect to our boys, they played their hearts out and I’m dang proud of them. I don’t believe they’re being given the tools and resources to win championships in today’s game environment. Sucks to say, because I appreciate Bobby’s attitude, but I’m beginning to see the light, we are not adapting at the pace we need to. This isn’t 2009. Shoot, the game has changed drastically even since 2018. A good coach gets with it or gets out. This isn’t personal, this is business.

I think you’re right in that we should be enjoying these wins more. We also did just play a great team. But, on the flip side, we did play like fudge pooh. Our defense did great, our offense needs help. Nearly all of the help needs to come from the playcalling, it was pathetic.

Hoping and optimistic that we will get better as the season progresses, but rightfully skeptical.

We don’t have any losses. That’s my point. Look at the thread and early posts.

I don’t make excuses for losses, but occasionally explain why. An explanation is not an excuse. If no you don’t think Johnson’s injury impacted the SS and Weber games, and his torn ligament impacted the last half of the 2022 season, then I don’t know what to say to you.

I have never said any loss or any poor
Result was good enough. Not once in my entire life. I am more competitive and have a bigger winking attitude than virtually anyone on the board. That’s what made me successful in college football and life.

I played football on a 14th ranked D-I team. We won the lambert Trophy ahead of Penn St one year. I was unanimous first team all conference. I lost 2 games during my 4-year college career, one of which I was hurt for. I always think my team can win. I never give up.

You understand football, but not as much as you think. I doubt you played on a top D-I team. I doubt I you know much about play-calling either. But tell us about how you would have called the plays

If you want to debate, let’s debate.

Are you saying that you have to play D1to be an expert on college football? What if you played D2? You don't have football knowledge of you didn't play college?

Be care with your answers counselor, as you are in a corner. Before your answer any of them, Did Hauck play D1 football, or any college football?

 

[Hurdlingriz]

There’s nothing to debate. That’s the sentiment of much of the fan base that you called out in your original post. Take it or leave it, that’s it. I hope that things go well and we can all look back on those feelings and laugh. Only time will tell that, and your words and “qualifications” aren’t going to change that.

Besides, I don’t debate with narcissists.

You are afraid to debate these points and with me.

Do you undercut wins? Can you explain why some people do that?

Can you back up your statement of bad play-calling? You said it. Now explain to us. Or are you just hot air?

Johnson stays healthy last year and we drop the Idaho game and maybe MSU. Johnson gets zero credit for how good he was, so I'm thinking most don't know what they are looking at maybe they wait for Herder, Haley or Fans Nation to tell em

 

[Coach Armchair]

You are afraid to debate these points and with me.

Do you undercut wins? Can you explain why some people do that?

Can you back up your statement of bad play-calling? You said it. Now explain to us. Or are you just hot air?

Johnson stays healthy last year and we drop the Idaho game and maybe MSU. Johnson gets zero credit for how good he was, so I'm thinking most don't know what they are looking at maybe they wait for Herder, Haley or Fans Nation to tell em

Johnson was very good. Not to discredit him. I think a healthy Johnson would have got us a win at Suck St., Weber, and probably Idaho (off the rumors that he was sick during the game). That being said, he wasn’t healthy and I feel we were ill prepared for that to happen and we should have been. I don’t feel we gave KB the tools or opportunity that is best for him to lead the team when it mattered. I think he has the capability and is a tremendous kid with more grit and character than anyone on this board, including me, for putting up with all the criticism and staying devoted to his team. Do I think he’s our best quarterback right now or then? No. But, I digress.

Reality, Johnson wasn’t healthy and we weren’t prepared for that adequately enough to win games. Neither here nor there at this point.

 

[Butte5518]

No dude. Here’s the deal. I appreciate how die hard a supporter you are, I am too. Most all of us are. But we are skeptical of our wins, hoping for better, while you make excuses for our losses, saying it’s good enough. That’s a textbook loser’s mentality. It’s not good enough until we win championships, and even then we should always be improving. Not to say we need the Scat’s WAAC mentality, but we can do better. We have a great program, it can and should get better. No disrespect to our boys, they played their hearts out and I’m dang proud of them. I don’t believe they’re being given the tools and resources to win championships in today’s game environment. Sucks to say, because I appreciate Bobby’s attitude, but I’m beginning to see the light, we are not adapting at the pace we need to. This isn’t 2009. Shoot, the game has changed drastically even since 2018. A good coach gets with it or gets out. This isn’t personal, this is business.

I think you’re right in that we should be enjoying these wins more. We also did just play a great team. But, on the flip side, we did play like fudge pooh. Our defense did great, our offense needs help. Nearly all of the help needs to come from the playcalling, it was pathetic.

Hoping and optimistic that we will get better as the season progresses, but rightfully skeptical.

I don’t make excuses for losses,

except for.... "our QB was hurt" all last year!!!...... good lord hoops, do you even think before you post??

 

[Mousegriz]

I don’t make excuses for losses,...

I have never said........ I am more competitive and have a bigger winking

I played football on a 14th ranked D-I team. We won the lambert Trophy ahead of Penn St one year. I was unanimous first team all conference. I lost 2 games during my 4-year college career, one of which I was hurt for. I always think my team can win. I never give up.

You understand football, but not as much as you think. I doubt you played on a top D-I team. I doubt I you know.....




If you want to debate, let’s debate.

I.......I......I....."I doubt I you know!"

Someone (not I!) once told someone (not me) there is no I in team.

I doubt I you know! AND I HAVE A BIGGER WINKING!

 

[AZGrizFan]

I don’t make excuses for losses,

except for.... "our QB was hurt" all last year!!!...... good lord hoops, do you even think before you post??

Was that not objectively true up to and including the Idaho game?

 

[Coach Armchair]

There’s nothing to debate. That’s the sentiment of much of the fan base that you called out in your original post. Take it or leave it, that’s it. I hope that things go well and we can all look back on those feelings and laugh. Only time will tell that, and your words and “qualifications” aren’t going to change that.

Besides, I don’t debate with narcissists.

You are afraid to debate these points and with me.

Do you undercut wins? Can you explain why some people do that?

Can you back up your statement of bad play-calling? You said it. Now explain to us. Or are you just hot air?

No need, bud. Look, I’ll refer to my last statement that I don’t debate with narcissists.

Now, I say this because I have been reading nearly every thread on this board for years and have refrained from contributing because the likes of yourself, cat trolls, and a few select others have turned this board into the trash can of the Griz fan base. I feel dirty even replying to you.

Talk about hot air? Puking your accomplishments, your lake house, your “success”, your relationships with the coaches, etc.. on a board where you don’t have the ability to provide any evidence to back any of it up. That’s hot air. Why do you feel the need to do that? Are you even aware that’s a trait of inherent narcissism? Is it fueled by major insecurity? All it did was make me lose more respect for you. I have no desire to try to swing weewees with you, so you will not be hearing anything about me.

I’m not here to feed any worthless cat trolls who apparently hate you (kudos for that though, seriously), and I’m no Bobby hater. I’m a die hard Griz fan. One who knows signs of systemic failure when he sees it and does not want to see it. I want the team and program to get better, with or without Bobby. Hope it happens with him, as that would be quicker. I’m also just a fan, I’m not here to try to fix issues, that’s for the team/coaches/university, I’m just pointing out ones that I see.

Now, if you want specifics on anything Griz related I’m referring to, please just ask. If you want to debate and call people names for the sake of your own insecurities, you’re SOL.

 

[MiningCityGrizFan]

If you go back and listen to Haslam’s presser after they chose to part ways with Stitt after only three years while he was in the middle of his rebuild, it’s clear the same “standard” that Stitt didn’t meet doesn’t exist for Hauck and his regime of close friends.

What standard do you mean? From my perspective, every Hauck season has been better than Stitt's final season that got him fired. But if you have some evidence of Hauck's season being worse that Stitt's last one, I will look with an open mind.

You can use the search function to go back and read my thoughts on the terrible way Stitt, his staff, and their families were treated.

I still believe any coach hired to rebuild a program should be allowed to graduate at least one class of seniors he recruited as freshmen. Otherwise, what’s the point of bringing in a new coach with a fresh perspective?

Stitt was brought in because the Griz weren’t satisfied with mediocre regular seasons and early playoff exits. You know who else wasn’t satisfied with that, Bob Stitt. That’s why he turned over the roster after 2015. He didn’t go full Deon, but for all intents and purposes, 2016 was the first year of the Stitt rebuild. Coaches like Gregorak were let go, and new players like Jensen, McGee, Toure, Akem, Calhoun(s), etc. were brought in.

2016 was a rough year, and then the 2017 team had to deal with losing senior QB Phillips early in the season. That was a young team, with a redshirt freshman QB forced into action. They were learning to compete but dropped close games against EWU, Weber, and Bozeman.

The 2017 team was far more competitive than 2016, but despite being a young team on the rise, Bobby’s boosters pushed Stitt out to bring Hauck back. All before most of Stitt’s core recruits were even Juniors.

Hauck then did a giant U-turn with the program in 2018. And now, Hauck 2.0’s fifth season, the Griz program is basically back to where it was when Delaney retired in 2014, only now Bozeman is much, much better.

And the fact remains, Hauck 2.0 still has as many wins in four Brawls as Stitt did in three (Stitt is still the last Griz coach to win in Bozeman). The Griz have no conference titles in the Hauck 2.0 era. And their playoff resume is mediocre 3-3.

Again, I’m not interested in re-hashing this entire Stitt debate. My point is that Griz fans went from “return to dominance at all cost” to being satisfied with a return to 2014 mediocrity. And I'm genuinely curious why Hauck's not being held to the same standard as his predecessor.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

What standard do you mean? From my perspective, every Hauck season has been better than Stitt's final season that got him fired. But if you have some evidence of Hauck's season being worse that Stitt's last one, I will look with an open mind.

You can use the search function to go back and read my thoughts on the terrible way Stitt, his staff, and their families were treated.

I still believe any coach hired to rebuild a program should be allowed to graduate at least one class of seniors he recruited as freshmen. Otherwise, what’s the point of bringing in a new coach with a fresh perspective?

Stitt was brought in because the Griz weren’t satisfied with mediocre regular seasons and early playoff exits. You know who else wasn’t satisfied with that, Bob Stitt. That’s why he turned over the roster after 2015. He didn’t go full Deon, but for all intents and purposes, 2016 was the first year of the Stitt rebuild. Coaches like Gregorak were let go, and new players like Jensen, McGee, Toure, Akem, Calhoun(s), etc. were brought in.

2016 was a rough year, and then the 2017 team had to deal with losing senior QB Phillips early in the season. That was a young team, with a redshirt freshman QB forced into action. They were learning to compete but dropped close games against EWU, Weber, and Bozeman.

The 2017 team was far more competitive than 2016, but despite being a young team on the rise, Bobby’s boosters pushed Stitt out to bring Hauck back. All before most of Stitt’s core recruits were even Juniors.

Hauck then did a giant U-turn with the program in 2018. And now, Hauck 2.0’s fifth season, the Griz program is basically back to where it was when Delaney retired in 2014, only now Bozeman is much, much better.

And the fact remains, Hauck 2.0 still has as many wins in four Brawls as Stitt did in three (Stitt is still the last Griz coach to win in Bozeman). The Griz have no conference titles in the Hauck 2.0 era. And their playoff resume is mediocre 3-3.

Again, I’m not interested in re-hashing this entire Stitt debate. My point is that Griz fans went from “return to dominance at all cost” to being satisfied with a return to 2014 mediocrity. And I'm genuinely curious why Hauck's not being held to the same standard as his predecessor.

I appreciate a lot of what you are saying, though I won't go back through all of your history. I get that you are feeling like Stitt got a short shift and didn't get the chance to see his rebuild through. I think that would be a fair argument to make from Stitt and anyone who supports him. I am not contesting you on the fact that he did not get to see his recruiting classes come to fruition. That is just factually correct.

But I'm asking what the standard is that you are referencing? You say that Hauck is not being held to the same standard, but what exactly is that standard?

Since Hauck came back, the Griz have been ranked higher every year and had more success every year than they did in Stitt's last year. I don't know what metric you are using to set the bar for this standard that you are referencing.

If you have disappointments in Hauck, his scheme, recruitment, whatever it may be, that is okay. There are things I wish for too. But I am being genuine with you when I am asking what standard you are referencing to compare the two coaches.

 

[poorgriz]

You are afraid to debate these points and with me.

Do you undercut wins? Can you explain why some people do that?

Can you back up your statement of bad play-calling? You said it. Now explain to us. Or are you just hot air?

No need, bud. Look, I’ll refer to my last statement that I don’t debate with narcissists.

Now, I say this because I have been reading nearly every thread on this board for years and have refrained from contributing because the likes of yourself, cat trolls, and a few select others have turned this board into the trash can of the Griz fan base. I feel dirty even replying to you.

Talk about hot air? Puking your accomplishments, your lake house, your “success”, your relationships with the coaches, etc.. on a board where you don’t have the ability to provide any evidence to back any of it up. That’s hot air. Why do you feel the need to do that? Are you even aware that’s a trait of inherent narcissism? Is it fueled by major insecurity? All it did was make me lose more respect for you. I have no desire to try to swing weewees with you, so you will not be hearing anything about me.

I’m not here to feed any worthless cat trolls who apparently hate you (kudos for that though, seriously), and I’m no Bobby hater. I’m a die hard Griz fan. One who knows signs of systemic failure when he sees it and does not want to see it. I want the team and program to get better, with or without Bobby. Hope it happens with him, as that would be quicker. I’m also just a fan, I’m not here to try to fix issues, that’s for the team/coaches/university, I’m just pointing out ones that I see.

Now, if you want specifics on anything Griz related I’m referring to, please just ask. If you want to debate and call people names for the sake of your own insecurities, you’re SOL.

Wow. I never like to compliment any griz posters, but this was flat out an epic post. Literally summed everything up, 100% truth, in one concise post.

I'm guessing PR will respond with something like, "You are a bad poster, you obviously never played the game, and you obviously don't talk to Bobby or any other insiders like I do, because they've all told me that everything is coming together and we are already RTD.

 

[uofmman1122]

You can use the search function to go back and read my thoughts on the terrible way Stitt, his staff, and their families were treated.

I still believe any coach hired to rebuild a program should be allowed to graduate at least one class of seniors he recruited as freshmen. Otherwise, what’s the point of bringing in a new coach with a fresh perspective?

Stitt was brought in because the Griz weren’t satisfied with mediocre regular seasons and early playoff exits. You know who else wasn’t satisfied with that, Bob Stitt. That’s why he turned over the roster after 2015. He didn’t go full Deon, but for all intents and purposes, 2016 was the first year of the Stitt rebuild. Coaches like Gregorak were let go, and new players like Jensen, McGee, Toure, Akem, Calhoun(s), etc. were brought in.

2016 was a rough year, and then the 2017 team had to deal with losing senior QB Phillips early in the season. That was a young team, with a redshirt freshman QB forced into action. They were learning to compete but dropped close games against EWU, Weber, and Bozeman.

The 2017 team was far more competitive than 2016, but despite being a young team on the rise, Bobby’s boosters pushed Stitt out to bring Hauck back. All before most of Stitt’s core recruits were even Juniors.

Hauck then did a giant U-turn with the program in 2018. And now, Hauck 2.0’s fifth season, the Griz program is basically back to where it was when Delaney retired in 2014, only now Bozeman is much, much better.

And the fact remains, Hauck 2.0 still has as many wins in four Brawls as Stitt did in three (Stitt is still the last Griz coach to win in Bozeman). The Griz have no conference titles in the Hauck 2.0 era. And their playoff resume is mediocre 3-3.

Again, I’m not interested in re-hashing this entire Stitt debate. My point is that Griz fans went from “return to dominance at all cost” to being satisfied with a return to 2014 mediocrity. And I'm genuinely curious why Hauck's not being held to the same standard as his predecessor.

I appreciate a lot of what you are saying, though I won't go back through all of your history. I get that you are feeling like Stitt got a short shift and didn't get the chance to see his rebuild through. I think that would be a fair argument to make from Stitt and anyone who supports him. I am not contesting you on the fact that he did not get to see his recruiting classes come to fruition. That is just factually correct.

But I'm asking what the standard is that you are referencing? You say that Hauck is not being held to the same standard, but what exactly is that standard?

Since Hauck came back, the Griz have been ranked higher every year and had more success every year than they did in Stitt's last year. I don't know what metric you are using to set the bar for this standard that you are referencing.

If you have disappointments in Hauck, his scheme, recruitment, whatever it may be, that is okay. There are things I wish for too. But I am being genuine with you when I am asking what standard you are referencing to compare the two coaches.

Hauck vs. Stitt has been a recurring topic around here, but it's useful to point out that across nearly every useful metric, Bobby's teams have been better, especially when it comes to not losing to BAD teams.

We haven't lost to a team with a losing record since 2018, while Stitt's teams lost to a team with a losing record at least once in every season he was coach.

People give Bobby shit for being 1-3 vs. the cats since he came back, but it's been against a cats team that has gone 43-14 since 2018.

Stitt went 1-2 against a cats program that went 14-19 over his entire tenure.

Bob Stitt got some bad breaks, but his teams were very mediocre. Even with similar bad breaks, Bobby's teams have at least performed and made the playoffs.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I was the biggest Stitt supporter on here. I still find it comical that SIX YEARS LATER he’s living rent free in so may fans’ heads….that being said, I jumped off the “Stitt Happens” train after watching the Griz sleepwalk through the debacle in Greeley. I’d heard that the team was laughing and joking after losing in Flagstaff, but that shitshow in Greeley was where he officially lost me.