Is undercutting Griz wins a sign of

[CDAGRIZ]

Why is that embarrassing? What makes you think there is much difference between FCS and Div2? FCS is a subdivision of FBS and usually FBS talent level athletes aren’t interested in playing for a FCS school. Div2 is similar. Take a few minutes and read the bios of the Ferris State athletes, then compare to the Montana athletes.

It's embarrassing because the top of one level can typically be very competitive with the middle or bottom of the next one up.

Meh, I’m not really embarrassed. Now, if both our coordinators got arrested for drunk driving and then got new contracts and raises as a reward, and continued to coach while out on bail, then I’d be embarrassed. It’s a good thing no program does fucked up shit like that, right?

 

[Lord Vigo]

It's embarrassing because the top of one level can typically be very competitive with the middle or bottom of the next one up.

Meh, I’m not really embarrassed. Now, if both our coordinators got arrested for drunk driving and then got new contracts and raises as a reward, and continued to coach while out on bail, then I’d be embarrassed. It’s a good thing no program does fudge up poop like that, right?

Yes. That is embarrassing. And you know what I'm not going to do? A bunch of mental gymnastics to try and explain why an obvious black eye isn't really a bad thing.

 

[Bear Axed]

Meh, I’m not really embarrassed. Now, if both our coordinators got arrested for drunk driving and then got new contracts and raises as a reward, and continued to coach while out on bail, then I’d be embarrassed. It’s a good thing no program does fudge up poop like that, right?

Yes. That is embarrassing. And you know what I'm not going to do? A bunch of mental gymnastics to try and explain why an obvious black eye isn't really a bad thing.

Most popular stock "Win At Any Cost" answer....
Absolutely no one expected you to use one of those...

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Meh, I’m not really embarrassed. Now, if both our coordinators got arrested for drunk driving and then got new contracts and raises as a reward, and continued to coach while out on bail, then I’d be embarrassed. It’s a good thing no program does fudge up poop like that, right?

Yes. That is embarrassing. And you know what I'm not going to do? A bunch of mental gymnastics to try and explain why an obvious black eye isn't really a bad thing.

Good on you. Because I think it’s kind of a bigger deal than winning a football game by fewer points than expected yesterday. That’s just me.

 

[Lord Vigo]

Yes. That is embarrassing. And you know what I'm not going to do? A bunch of mental gymnastics to try and explain why an obvious black eye isn't really a bad thing.

Good on you. Because I think it’s kind of a bigger deal than winning a football game by fewer points than expected yesterday. That’s just me.

Again, I don't disagree. But I don't see what it has to do with what we were talking about.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Good on you. Because I think it’s kind of a bigger deal than winning a football game by fewer points than expected yesterday. That’s just me.

Again, I don't disagree. But I don't see what it has to do with what we were talking about.

I thought we were talking about embarrassments.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Good on you. Because I think it’s kind of a bigger deal than winning a football game by fewer points than expected yesterday. That’s just me.

Again, I don't disagree. But I don't see what it has to do with what we were talking about.

It’s a straw man, or when you have a disagreement and the other side runs out of facts so they call you names. It isn’t a tactic adults use, as people mature it usually goes an away.it is best to say thank you, smile and chalk up a win.

 

[uofmman1122]

Fans are crying because we didn't win by enough points or in the manner they expected to?

Shit, maybe we are finally back to our old winning ways. :lol:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Again, I don't disagree. But I don't see what it has to do with what we were talking about.

It’s a straw man, or when you have a disagreement and the other side runs out of facts so they call you names. It isn’t a tactic adults use, as people mature it usually goes an away.it is best to say thank you, smile and chalk up a win.

Were we not talking about embarrassments? I could’ve sworn we were talking about embarrassments.

It's embarrassing because the top of one level can typically be very competitive with the middle or bottom of the next one up.

Holy shit! I was right! We were talking about embarrassments. Honestly, this might be the first time I’ve ever been correct on eGriz. This is historic.

 

[MiningCityGrizFan]

Not understanding the game of football?

The past 2 seasons, the number of posters discounting and Pooh poohing Griz wins has grown significantly.

If you don’t think Ferris was a good team, then I don’t believe there is any hope for you. Jeez, look at what Hauck said about them.

The Griz have a ways to go, but they are going in the right direction. We will see if they can get there for the tough conference games.

It sounds like the crowd was awesome.

No. And that premise is weak, at best.

The premise being, only people who don’t understand football are concerned about the quality of this team’s wins (or the overall health of the program).

I would argue that anyone who dismisses this win simply because Ferris State is a D2 school doesn’t understand football.

That being said, multiple things can be true at the same time.

I think the Griz’s win over Ferris State was a quality win preciesly because the Bulldogs had more overall talent and were better coached.

It’s concerning that a lower-division program with considerably fewer scholarship players and resources put a team on the field that was significantly more talented in the trenches than Montana’s team.

I think our QBs, RBs, and WRs were marginally better than theirs. I also think our secondary, particularly our safeties were better on defense. When it comes to the offenseive and defensive lines, Ferris State was clearly better. By a lot.

Anyone who disagrees needs to look at the stats.

The Bulldogs outgained the Griz, keeping them below 200 yards of total offense. Even with the botched officiating call that robbed Bergen of a catch and the offense of ~20 more yards, it’s still remarkably undewhelming.

What’s most concerning about this game, is that when you re-watch it, the Griz were fortunate to win. If the Ferris QBs were a bit more accurate and certain Bulldog players a tad more disciplined, the Bulldogs win that game.

What’s most concerning about the program, is that we’re six years into Hauck 2.0, and it’s clear that Montana is not able to recruit and develop offensive lineman. Or QBs for that matter. They also don’t have the athletes to run the 3-3-5 defense. And thier receivers can’t create seperation on offense, but I digress.

Yestderday’s game exposed the weakness of the offensive and defensive lines, which only makes me wonder, how can anyone who claims to understand football argue that Griz football is headed in the right direction?

Our offensive line cannot reliably pick up a yard when needed most. This has been an issue since Delaney’s tenure. The one constant is Germer. But he’s friends with Bobby, so he will never be held accountable.

Compare the product Germer (and now Phenice) has produced compared to our rivals in Bozeman during Hauck's tenure. Anyone who wants to argue this point can re-watch the last two Griz games in Bozeman. Keep in mind, this year’s State team doesn’t have a senior OL on thier two-deep and they looked pretty solid through three games, especially in Brookings.

So, yes, this was a quality win. And yes, people who understand football have a reason to be concerned about this team (I think this team goes 0-3 vs. Idaho, Sac St., and Bozeman — I hope I am wrong) and the complacency of the program under Hauck.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Not understanding the game of football?

The past 2 seasons, the number of posters discounting and Pooh poohing Griz wins has grown significantly.

If you don’t think Ferris was a good team, then I don’t believe there is any hope for you. Jeez, look at what Hauck said about them.

The Griz have a ways to go, but they are going in the right direction. We will see if they can get there for the tough conference games.

It sounds like the crowd was awesome.

No. And that premise is weak, at best.

The premise being, only people who don’t understand football are concerned about the quality of this team’s wins (or the overall health of the program).

I would argue that anyone who dismisses this win simply because Ferris State is a D2 school doesn’t understand football.

That being said, multiple things can be true at the same time.

I think the Griz’s win over Ferris State was a quality win preciesly because the Bulldogs had more overall talent and were better coached.

It’s concerning that a lower-division program with considerably fewer scholarship players and resources put a team on the field that was significantly more talented in the trenches than Montana’s team.

I think our QBs, RBs, and WRs were marginally better than theirs. I also think our secondary, particularly our safeties were better on defense. When it comes to the offenseive and defensive lines, Ferris State was clearly better. By a lot.

Anyone who disagrees needs to look at the stats.

The Bulldogs outgained the Griz, keeping them below 200 yards of total offense. Even with the botched officiating call that robbed Bergen of a catch and the offense of ~20 more yards, it’s still remarkably undewhelming.

What’s most concerning about this game, is that when you re-watch it, the Griz were fortunate to win. If the Ferris QBs were a bit more accurate and certain Bulldog players a tad more disciplined, the Bulldogs win that game.

What’s most concerning about the program, is that we’re six years into Hauck 2.0, and it’s clear that Montana is not able to recruit and develop offensive lineman. Or QBs for that matter. They also don’t have the athletes to run the 3-3-5 defense. And thier receivers can’t create seperation on offense, but I digress.

Yestderday’s game exposed the weakness of the offensive and defensive lines, which only makes me wonder, how can anyone who claims to understand football argue that Griz football is headed in the right direction?

Our offensive line cannot reliably pick up a yard when needed most. This has been an issue since Delaney’s tenure. The one constant is Germer. But he’s friends with Bobby, so he will never be held accountable.

Compare the product Germer (and now Phenice) has produced compared to our rivals in Bozeman during Hauck's tenure. Anyone who wants to argue this point can re-watch the last two Griz games in Bozeman. Keep in mind, this year’s State team doesn’t have a senior OL on thier two-deep and they looked pretty solid through three games, especially in Brookings.

So, yes, this was a quality win. And yes, people who understand football have a reason to be concerned about this team (I think this team goes 0-3 vs. Idaho, Sac St., and Bozeman — I hope I am wrong) and the complacency of the program under Hauck.

Close down the other threads as this is as good as it gets! Great post

 

[Ut-Grizfan]

Not understanding the game of football?

The past 2 seasons, the number of posters discounting and Pooh poohing Griz wins has grown significantly.

If you don’t think Ferris was a good team, then I don’t believe there is any hope for you. Jeez, look at what Hauck said about them.

The Griz have a ways to go, but they are going in the right direction. We will see if they can get there for the tough conference games.

It sounds like the crowd was awesome.

No. And that premise is weak, at best.

The premise being, only people who don’t understand football are concerned about the quality of this team’s wins (or the overall health of the program).

I would argue that anyone who dismisses this win simply because Ferris State is a D2 school doesn’t understand football.

That being said, multiple things can be true at the same time.

I think the Griz’s win over Ferris State was a quality win preciesly because the Bulldogs had more overall talent and were better coached.

It’s concerning that a lower-division program with considerably fewer scholarship players and resources put a team on the field that was significantly more talented in the trenches than Montana’s team.

I think our QBs, RBs, and WRs were marginally better than theirs. I also think our secondary, particularly our safeties were better on defense. When it comes to the offenseive and defensive lines, Ferris State was clearly better. By a lot.

Anyone who disagrees needs to look at the stats.

The Bulldogs outgained the Griz, keeping them below 200 yards of total offense. Even with the botched officiating call that robbed Bergen of a catch and the offense of ~20 more yards, it’s still remarkably undewhelming.

What’s most concerning about this game, is that when you re-watch it, the Griz were fortunate to win. If the Ferris QBs were a bit more accurate and certain Bulldog players a tad more disciplined, the Bulldogs win that game.

What’s most concerning about the program, is that we’re six years into Hauck 2.0, and it’s clear that Montana is not able to recruit and develop offensive lineman. Or QBs for that matter. They also don’t have the athletes to run the 3-3-5 defense. And thier receivers can’t create seperation on offense, but I digress.

Yestderday’s game exposed the weakness of the offensive and defensive lines, which only makes me wonder, how can anyone who claims to understand football argue that Griz football is headed in the right direction?

Our offensive line cannot reliably pick up a yard when needed most. This has been an issue since Delaney’s tenure. The one constant is Germer. But he’s friends with Bobby, so he will never be held accountable.

Compare the product Germer (and now Phenice) has produced compared to our rivals in Bozeman during Hauck's tenure. Anyone who wants to argue this point can re-watch the last two Griz games in Bozeman. Keep in mind, this year’s State team doesn’t have a senior OL on thier two-deep and they looked pretty solid through three games, especially in Brookings.

So, yes, this was a quality win. And yes, people who understand football have a reason to be concerned about this team (I think this team goes 0-3 vs. Idaho, Sac St., and Bozeman — I hope I am wrong) and the complacency of the program under Hauck.

Hell maybe I'm overreacting but I wouldn't chalk up NAU, PSU or ISU as automatic wins either because of the way we have looked on offense it has me concerned against everyone we have on our schedule which pisses me off.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Not understanding the game of football?

The past 2 seasons, the number of posters discounting and Pooh poohing Griz wins has grown significantly.

If you don’t think Ferris was a good team, then I don’t believe there is any hope for you. Jeez, look at what Hauck said about them.

The Griz have a ways to go, but they are going in the right direction. We will see if they can get there for the tough conference games.

It sounds like the crowd was awesome.

No. And that premise is weak, at best.

The premise being, only people who don’t understand football are concerned about the quality of this team’s wins (or the overall health of the program).

I would argue that anyone who dismisses this win simply because Ferris State is a D2 school doesn’t understand football.

That being said, multiple things can be true at the same time.

I think the Griz’s win over Ferris State was a quality win preciesly because the Bulldogs had more overall talent and were better coached.

It’s concerning that a lower-division program with considerably fewer scholarship players and resources put a team on the field that was significantly more talented in the trenches than Montana’s team.

I think our QBs, RBs, and WRs were marginally better than theirs. I also think our secondary, particularly our safeties were better on defense. When it comes to the offenseive and defensive lines, Ferris State was clearly better. By a lot.

Anyone who disagrees needs to look at the stats.

The Bulldogs outgained the Griz, keeping them below 200 yards of total offense. Even with the botched officiating call that robbed Bergen of a catch and the offense of ~20 more yards, it’s still remarkably undewhelming.

What’s most concerning about this game, is that when you re-watch it, the Griz were fortunate to win. If the Ferris QBs were a bit more accurate and certain Bulldog players a tad more disciplined, the Bulldogs win that game.

What’s most concerning about the program, is that we’re six years into Hauck 2.0, and it’s clear that Montana is not able to recruit and develop offensive lineman. Or QBs for that matter. They also don’t have the athletes to run the 3-3-5 defense. And thier receivers can’t create seperation on offense, but I digress.

Yestderday’s game exposed the weakness of the offensive and defensive lines, which only makes me wonder, how can anyone who claims to understand football argue that Griz football is headed in the right direction?

Our offensive line cannot reliably pick up a yard when needed most. This has been an issue since Delaney’s tenure. The one constant is Germer. But he’s friends with Bobby, so he will never be held accountable.

Compare the product Germer (and now Phenice) has produced compared to our rivals in Bozeman during Hauck's tenure. Anyone who wants to argue this point can re-watch the last two Griz games in Bozeman. Keep in mind, this year’s State team doesn’t have a senior OL on thier two-deep and they looked pretty solid through three games, especially in Brookings.

So, yes, this was a quality win. And yes, people who understand football have a reason to be concerned about this team (I think this team goes 0-3 vs. Idaho, Sac St., and Bozeman — I hope I am wrong) and the complacency of the program under Hauck.

The premise is correct. The premise is about undercutting wins, not about the quality of the team. Can you not even read?

If you want to look at stats, look at how Ferris scored only 10 points and none in the second half. And how Ferris was kept well below its average TO.

Did u watch the 2021 Griz v Cat game?

UM has a terrific coaching staff.

Name any poster who isn’t concerned about the O performance against Ferris. Name anyone who is complacent about the program.

UM has 2 returning all conference o-lineman plus Walker. Cook is playing in NFL. UM is 10 deep on o-line this season. Germer is a good coach.

 

[mthoopsfan]

No. And that premise is weak, at best.

The premise being, only people who don’t understand football are concerned about the quality of this team’s wins (or the overall health of the program).

I would argue that anyone who dismisses this win simply because Ferris State is a D2 school doesn’t understand football.

That being said, multiple things can be true at the same time.

I think the Griz’s win over Ferris State was a quality win preciesly because the Bulldogs had more overall talent and were better coached.

It’s concerning that a lower-division program with considerably fewer scholarship players and resources put a team on the field that was significantly more talented in the trenches than Montana’s team.

I think our QBs, RBs, and WRs were marginally better than theirs. I also think our secondary, particularly our safeties were better on defense. When it comes to the offenseive and defensive lines, Ferris State was clearly better. By a lot.

Anyone who disagrees needs to look at the stats.

The Bulldogs outgained the Griz, keeping them below 200 yards of total offense. Even with the botched officiating call that robbed Bergen of a catch and the offense of ~20 more yards, it’s still remarkably undewhelming.

What’s most concerning about this game, is that when you re-watch it, the Griz were fortunate to win. If the Ferris QBs were a bit more accurate and certain Bulldog players a tad more disciplined, the Bulldogs win that game.

What’s most concerning about the program, is that we’re six years into Hauck 2.0, and it’s clear that Montana is not able to recruit and develop offensive lineman. Or QBs for that matter. They also don’t have the athletes to run the 3-3-5 defense. And thier receivers can’t create seperation on offense, but I digress.

Yestderday’s game exposed the weakness of the offensive and defensive lines, which only makes me wonder, how can anyone who claims to understand football argue that Griz football is headed in the right direction?

Our offensive line cannot reliably pick up a yard when needed most. This has been an issue since Delaney’s tenure. The one constant is Germer. But he’s friends with Bobby, so he will never be held accountable.

Compare the product Germer (and now Phenice) has produced compared to our rivals in Bozeman during Hauck's tenure. Anyone who wants to argue this point can re-watch the last two Griz games in Bozeman. Keep in mind, this year’s State team doesn’t have a senior OL on thier two-deep and they looked pretty solid through three games, especially in Brookings.

So, yes, this was a quality win. And yes, people who understand football have a reason to be concerned about this team (I think this team goes 0-3 vs. Idaho, Sac St., and Bozeman — I hope I am wrong) and the complacency of the program under Hauck.

Hell maybe I'm overreacting but I wouldn't chalk up NAU, PSU or ISU as automatic wins either because of the way we have looked on offense it has me concerned against everyone we have on our schedule which pisses me off.

You are clueless.

 

[EverettGriz]

Meh, I’m not really embarrassed. Now, if both our coordinators got arrested for drunk driving and then got new contracts and raises as a reward, and continued to coach while out on bail, then I’d be embarrassed. It’s a good thing no program does fudge up poop like that, right?

Yes. That is embarrassing. And you know what I'm not going to do? A bunch of mental gymnastics to try and explain why an obvious black eye isn't really a bad thing.

Just full speed WAAC, then, as it’s clear that that’s all that matters to you bubs. Got it.








Embarrassing

 

[Butte5518]

Every coach in the coaches poll agreed that the cat loss was still better than any gris win....

That is such an odd claim. How would you even define or deduce that conclusion from a poll ranking? Was that a separate question sent with the poll?

Please tell me that you completely understand how the FCS coaches poll works... You really need to educate yourself prior to looking foolish...

 

[thirdandlong]

Not understanding the game of football?

The past 2 seasons, the number of posters discounting and Pooh poohing Griz wins has grown significantly.

If you don’t think Ferris was a good team, then I don’t believe there is any hope for you. Jeez, look at what Hauck said about them.

The Griz have a ways to go, but they are going in the right direction. We will see if they can get there for the tough conference games.

It sounds like the crowd was awesome.

No dude. Here’s the deal. I appreciate how die hard a supporter you are, I am too. Most all of us are. But we are skeptical of our wins, hoping for better, while you make excuses for our losses, saying it’s good enough. That’s a textbook loser’s mentality. It’s not good enough until we win championships, and even then we should always be improving. Not to say we need the Scat’s WAAC mentality, but we can do better. We have a great program, it can and should get better. No disrespect to our boys, they played their hearts out and I’m dang proud of them. I don’t believe they’re being given the tools and resources to win championships in today’s game environment. Sucks to say, because I appreciate Bobby’s attitude, but I’m beginning to see the light, we are not adapting at the pace we need to. This isn’t 2009. Shoot, the game has changed drastically even since 2018. A good coach gets with it or gets out. This isn’t personal, this is business.

I think you’re right in that we should be enjoying these wins more. We also did just play a great team. But, on the flip side, we did play like fudge pooh. Our defense did great, our offense needs help. Nearly all of the help needs to come from the playcalling, it was pathetic.

Hoping and optimistic that we will get better as the season progresses, but rightfully skeptical.

BINGO!!! And, we have a winner!

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

That is such an odd claim. How would you even define or deduce that conclusion from a poll ranking? Was that a separate question sent with the poll?

Please tell me that you completely understand how the FCS coaches poll works... You really need to educate yourself prior to looking foolish...

I understand perfectly well. Now, I would love to hear how every coach made it clear they respected MSU's loss more than the griz win? That's just not how it works...

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

I’m not tight enough with Bobby. I’d never get the call

You have to pick yourself up by your bootstraps and tell them why you are the right person for the job. You can’t expect people to just hand things to you.

Do I just put on a suit and show up with my application in hand? It worked for my grandpa at the steel mill

 

[Ringneck]

I mean, two things can be true at the same time, fellas, Watch this:

• Ferris State is a good football team, and the Griz need to get much better on offense.

• I am grateful and relieved for the win, and I was frustrated by our play calling.

• We haven't played our best football yet, and we are 3-0 heading into conference play.

See, one of these things being true does not automatically negate the other one.