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Is Robin Selvig as smart as you think he is?
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If Shannon had a better idea about how to attack the Pitt press, don't you think after all these years that she would have shared it?
Easiest thing in the world after a loss is to bash the coach.
I'd say he had them ready to play, because they came out of the gate and managed to open up a six-point lead. Or do you think his prep work had nothing to do with that, and it was all despite RS? Pitt has a great player who carried her team for the first half -- the rest of them certainly weren't killing us.
Line up Pitt's starting five with our starting five, and lots of stuff is quickly visible. Line up their first three off the bench with our first three off the bench... same thing. Big difference in size, and Ena may be the only one we have who begins to match Pitt quickness.
For all the questions about Lohman, I thought she played pretty well while giving away a lot of height.
We really needed to have Mandy handling the ball against the press -- we suffered most, I thought, when Johnson was on the point. A weakness there: she hangs on to the ball too long, although on occasion she can make a great pass. But she doesn't belong down low with the tall trees, and we would have done better, in my opinion, if somebody else had been handling the ball.
Cross-court passes play into the defense's hands, and the sideline/half-court line take away a whole lot of options for places to go. Got to get the ball ahead...
Ena, who was 19 points and 14 boards vs PSU, almost evaporated, and she had to be the one most disappointed by her night's work, with family et al. That was a huge hole from somebody who has made big contributions down the stretch.
LG didn't have a lot of size to start the season, and with the losses of Mandy, Rogers and Lohman, I don't see next year's team being a BETTER team than this year. With some others, it seems fairly obvious that Portland will be the team to beat, and whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the cats have made a lot of progress under their new coach. And they may have more beef and speed than we have coming back.
Take it for what it's worth -- we played a top 15 team, and we're certainly not at that level. We played well for 17 minutes, and I think our women may have been shell-shocked by what they encountered; certainly Rogers, who is a great shooter, was never able to get on line again. And then we went through the steals/turnovers and started just casting almost wild shots, instead of being a little more patient.
It was a good season, we saw some really good basketball. Joslyn could not make the difference all by herself -- and at Stanford, she won't have to do that.
Next year will bring what it brings.
Easiest thing in the world after a loss is to bash the coach.
I'd say he had them ready to play, because they came out of the gate and managed to open up a six-point lead. Or do you think his prep work had nothing to do with that, and it was all despite RS? Pitt has a great player who carried her team for the first half -- the rest of them certainly weren't killing us.
Line up Pitt's starting five with our starting five, and lots of stuff is quickly visible. Line up their first three off the bench with our first three off the bench... same thing. Big difference in size, and Ena may be the only one we have who begins to match Pitt quickness.
For all the questions about Lohman, I thought she played pretty well while giving away a lot of height.
We really needed to have Mandy handling the ball against the press -- we suffered most, I thought, when Johnson was on the point. A weakness there: she hangs on to the ball too long, although on occasion she can make a great pass. But she doesn't belong down low with the tall trees, and we would have done better, in my opinion, if somebody else had been handling the ball.
Cross-court passes play into the defense's hands, and the sideline/half-court line take away a whole lot of options for places to go. Got to get the ball ahead...
Ena, who was 19 points and 14 boards vs PSU, almost evaporated, and she had to be the one most disappointed by her night's work, with family et al. That was a huge hole from somebody who has made big contributions down the stretch.
LG didn't have a lot of size to start the season, and with the losses of Mandy, Rogers and Lohman, I don't see next year's team being a BETTER team than this year. With some others, it seems fairly obvious that Portland will be the team to beat, and whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the cats have made a lot of progress under their new coach. And they may have more beef and speed than we have coming back.
Take it for what it's worth -- we played a top 15 team, and we're certainly not at that level. We played well for 17 minutes, and I think our women may have been shell-shocked by what they encountered; certainly Rogers, who is a great shooter, was never able to get on line again. And then we went through the steals/turnovers and started just casting almost wild shots, instead of being a little more patient.
It was a good season, we saw some really good basketball. Joslyn could not make the difference all by herself -- and at Stanford, she won't have to do that.
Next year will bring what it brings.
SeaGrizluvr
Well-known member
If we played so well with them for 17 minutes, we should have been prepared to play with them for the other 23. For the record, I don't think robin should be fired and I enjoy my Griz immensely, even from afar. But monday morning quarterbacking isn't about making up crap. I am stating exactly what I saw AT THE GAME. The coaches missed key timeout opportunities to stop the slide. And they did look dumbfounded at what to do about the trap press. Didn't they do their homework on studying this team? Apparently not by the quote I put earlier from the Pitt player. Nothing I am saying is wrong if you are looking at it objectively. If it were a case of the coach teaching them how to be on offense against the press and them not doing what he said, then thats a different case. But thats now how I saw it. Whatever the case, something is broken. My God I hear way more complaining about the football coach, and he gets his team much further, I legitamately put out my complaints of what everyone witnessed and you'd think I'd assaulted Mother Teresa.
Blah, blah, blah...the difference is not Robin Selvig. He would be a winner wherever he went. The difference is athleticism. We don't have it.
Mark my words here. Mandy Morales is no Shannon Cate! Shannon took teams on her back and dominated! Mandy has shown some signs of domination, but she did not improve and take this team on her back like I would have hoped she would have. In fact, she looked slow out there. I would bet she added 15 pounds in the course of a year or so and it really slowed her down. Don't get me wrong, I loved watching Mandy play but if she would have separated her shoulder against Pitt I don't see her taking care of the problem at halftime and coming back in like Shannon did against either Stanford or USC. I would not have traded watching Mandy these last four years for anything, but that does not mean I am not realistic. The only way we would have seen another first team All-American in Maroon and Silver is if Joslyn would have stayed home.
The Lady Griz will keep on winning the BSC the majority of years, and unfortunately we will keep on struggling against teams in the tourney that are stronger, more athletic, and better shooters. But that does not take away from the outstanding program that Robin continues to lead.
1992
Shannon Cate, Montana
Dawn Staley, Virginia
Rosemary Kosiorek, West Virginia
Dena Head, Tennessee
Sheryl Swoopes, Texas Tech
Tammi Reiss, Virginia
Val Whiting, Stanford
Frances Savage, Miami
Machelle Joseph, Purdue
Susan Robinson, Penn State
Mark my words here. Mandy Morales is no Shannon Cate! Shannon took teams on her back and dominated! Mandy has shown some signs of domination, but she did not improve and take this team on her back like I would have hoped she would have. In fact, she looked slow out there. I would bet she added 15 pounds in the course of a year or so and it really slowed her down. Don't get me wrong, I loved watching Mandy play but if she would have separated her shoulder against Pitt I don't see her taking care of the problem at halftime and coming back in like Shannon did against either Stanford or USC. I would not have traded watching Mandy these last four years for anything, but that does not mean I am not realistic. The only way we would have seen another first team All-American in Maroon and Silver is if Joslyn would have stayed home.
The Lady Griz will keep on winning the BSC the majority of years, and unfortunately we will keep on struggling against teams in the tourney that are stronger, more athletic, and better shooters. But that does not take away from the outstanding program that Robin continues to lead.
1992
Shannon Cate, Montana
Dawn Staley, Virginia
Rosemary Kosiorek, West Virginia
Dena Head, Tennessee
Sheryl Swoopes, Texas Tech
Tammi Reiss, Virginia
Val Whiting, Stanford
Frances Savage, Miami
Machelle Joseph, Purdue
Susan Robinson, Penn State
He has given everything you could ever expect out of a coach. That said, there is one single thing that gives cause to question Robin's smarts. it's the decision he has made to stay at Montana for 31 seasons. Early on he could have taken his coaching skills to a school with the ambition and resources that would provided the opportunity to escape the ho hum "one and out" syndrome that has become a habit in Missoula. Another program might have given him the chance to be recognized as a premier D1 coach. But not with the dead weight provided by UM's lack of ambition when it comes to intercollegiate sports.
Grizinmyyard
Well-known member
Just yanking your chain friends... And enemies. Everybody has both.
I don't really expect Robin to go anywhere. I actually like the guy.
I really enjoyed the thoughtful posts and expected the mindless vitriol.
Thanks for not letting me down.
I don't really expect Robin to go anywhere. I actually like the guy.
I really enjoyed the thoughtful posts and expected the mindless vitriol.
Thanks for not letting me down.
SeaGrizluvr
Well-known member
Head Coach Robin Selvig speaking at the post game press conference:
Opening Statement: “I want to say Pittsburgh is a heck of a team. I wish them luck; they did a great job tonight. Still not sure quite what happened in the second half, but I’m sure they were responsible for it. They did a great job on us. We couldn’t make a basket, and that makes it a hard game.”
On Pitt’s press: “I think we only had 14 turnovers for the game. I think the key for their press was that it was one spurt. I think we turned it over three times and it was layups. It was the same press. The kids are good, they anticipate and slowed down our offense and we had to do different things. It generated four or five baskets at a time and then we couldn’t make a shot. It’s just weird to me how that thing just slipped away. They didn’t score in that many spurts. They had that one and then they didn’t score for a while. But we were stuck on two (points) for about 15 minutes, so they didn’t need a big spurt. They got hot late and made a couple of runs. But when you think a press really took you apart, you usually have 20 turnovers. There was a couple spurts where they did and it was effective for them.”
How about today Selvig? Are you still not sure quite what happened in the second half? Here's what happened, YOU BLEW IT! THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. And yes they(Pitt) were responsible for it, they were responsible for showing you hadn't properly prepared your team for a trapping defense!
Opening Statement: “I want to say Pittsburgh is a heck of a team. I wish them luck; they did a great job tonight. Still not sure quite what happened in the second half, but I’m sure they were responsible for it. They did a great job on us. We couldn’t make a basket, and that makes it a hard game.”
On Pitt’s press: “I think we only had 14 turnovers for the game. I think the key for their press was that it was one spurt. I think we turned it over three times and it was layups. It was the same press. The kids are good, they anticipate and slowed down our offense and we had to do different things. It generated four or five baskets at a time and then we couldn’t make a shot. It’s just weird to me how that thing just slipped away. They didn’t score in that many spurts. They had that one and then they didn’t score for a while. But we were stuck on two (points) for about 15 minutes, so they didn’t need a big spurt. They got hot late and made a couple of runs. But when you think a press really took you apart, you usually have 20 turnovers. There was a couple spurts where they did and it was effective for them.”
How about today Selvig? Are you still not sure quite what happened in the second half? Here's what happened, YOU BLEW IT! THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. And yes they(Pitt) were responsible for it, they were responsible for showing you hadn't properly prepared your team for a trapping defense!
SeaGrizluvr said:
Be sure to send in your resume, I'm sure they're waiting anxiously. Tell them you know how to beat a trap defense.
SeaGrizluvr
Well-known member
MrTitleist said:
Dude, if being a smart alek is the only way you have of responding to my posts, keep it to yourself. If you have something to say about my post, I want to hear it. Especially if you think he didn't blow it. Telling me they are waiting for my resume is childish. Were you happy with the results yesterday? If not, don't you have an opinion? And how about his news conference, he sounded as bewildered as he looked on the bench yesterday(and I was there so I got to see way more than those watching on tv saw of him). Geez, I state the obvious and people go nuts on here. Crazy.
I did respond to your post. You obviously think you're smarter than a basketball coach w/ 700 wins. I thought the Lady Griz did well, they were down by 1 pt at halftime. Pittsburgh had a far superior athletic team, their girls were bigger and faster and had big-time experience. Certainly Griz fans are disappointed with the outcome, but we were a 13 seed for a reason. Pittsburgh is a legitimate team, they handled Wyoming's best women's team in years last year in the NCAA tournament, and they did the same to the Lady Griz this year. So no, Selvig did not blow it, he's won as many games as he has for a reason, but for some reason, you seem to think that his strategy was flawed and that any bumbling idiot could have scored points and coached better.. so that's why I asked if you were going to send in your resume, because you seem to suggest that you could have coached better and beat Pitt's trap defense.
Old/NewFan
Member
Yes, the Pitt press was a factor.
However, does anyone think that making only 1 basket in over 15 minutes at the start of the second half was a factor?
Does anyone think that not having a bucket in 14 minutes in the second half was a factor?
Does anyone think that Rogers being 0-8 in the second half was unfortunate?
Does anyone think that getting outscored 38 to 10 during the middle of the game was a factor?
Does anyone think 6 points off the bench was a factor?
Did anyone notice that Ena didn't score?
Was shooting 18.2% (4-22) in the second half a factor?
Was shooting 8.2% (1-12) in the second half a factor?
Was shooting 25% from the freethrow line in the second half a factor?
Did Selvig being outcoached cause all of those things in the second half?
Do you think any Lady Griz or their parents blame the loss on Selvig?
Get out of here with your weak BS, SeaGriz. Show some respect for one of the top coaches in women's basketball.
SeaGriz, you are a loser, and you've shown that you don't have a clue about the game of basketball.
However, does anyone think that making only 1 basket in over 15 minutes at the start of the second half was a factor?
Does anyone think that not having a bucket in 14 minutes in the second half was a factor?
Does anyone think that Rogers being 0-8 in the second half was unfortunate?
Does anyone think that getting outscored 38 to 10 during the middle of the game was a factor?
Does anyone think 6 points off the bench was a factor?
Did anyone notice that Ena didn't score?
Was shooting 18.2% (4-22) in the second half a factor?
Was shooting 8.2% (1-12) in the second half a factor?
Was shooting 25% from the freethrow line in the second half a factor?
Did Selvig being outcoached cause all of those things in the second half?
Do you think any Lady Griz or their parents blame the loss on Selvig?
Get out of here with your weak BS, SeaGriz. Show some respect for one of the top coaches in women's basketball.
SeaGriz, you are a loser, and you've shown that you don't have a clue about the game of basketball.
SeaGrizluvr
Well-known member
MrTitleist said:
I never suggested I could have coached better. I pointed out an obvious problem. What, are you on his payroll and any suggestion that he made a mistake you take personally. He blew it and it was witnessed by millions, calm down.
SeaGrizluvr
Well-known member
Old/NewFan said:
WOW! Namecalling is what it has come down to. Did you ever think that not being prepared for that press HELPED in them getting totally out of their game and helped in causing them to not make shots. Hmm, there's a clue about the game you think I don't know anything about. And so you are admitting to him being outcoached, am I reading your sentence above correctly. If so, you must not know what you are talking about. And none of this is weak BS. What game were you watching?
SeaGrizluvr
Well-known member
Its funny how I have become the focus of vitriol on this board for having the nerve to say "The emperor has no clothes."
I liked your comments because they are right on....amazing how the football coach is vilified here, and previous basketball coaches are vilified...but, Robin Selvig is the Second Coming...he is a great guy, a real Griz....but, I saw this game, too, and he had no clue...didn't even call time out to stem the tide till it was too late....with his much vaunted experience, huge number of wins, and loyalty of fans and players, I expected much more than a record performance of ineptness in the NCAA tournament. Sadly, as bad as we all feel, I can only assume it is ten times worse for him and the team. It might not be right, but the fact is, people will not remember the 28-5 record but the history books will show the worst performance in a half and it will be remembered...SeaGrizluvr said:
Hamilton Grizzly
Well-known member
I witnessed the Lady Griz working on breaking the press in practice last week. They handled it well in practice but they had no way to simulate the athletes that Pitt had. Selvig prepared them for it but they were just too athletic and our girls couldn't handle it. Selvig looked very frustrated during the game, IMO it was because he knew what to do but our girls simply couldn't do it.
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