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Is our kicking game a coaching issue or talent issue?

PlayerRep said:
dupuyer griz said:
PlayerRep said:
dupuyer griz said:
I thought it was pretty damn clear. The stats say miss, it is a BAD kick. I don't know how you could have possibly missed in everything I said that I thought it was bad. I have no room for gray here and if gray makes you feel better then that is great. As it stands we had a good 28-20 win Saturday, but you know what would have really settled in and made me feel good? A 37-20 win with 3 good field goals. After all, almost is good in horseshoes, but if I ring one up your close isn't worth crap.
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This confirms what I've though all along, and that is that you often don't know what you're talking about. Sure, every pass that isn't caught is a bad pass or beyond bad pass. Every race that isn't won is a bad race or beyond bad race. Every shot that doesn't go in the basket is a bad shot or beyond bad shot. Every hockey shot that doesn't go in the net or is saved is a bad shot or beyond bad shot. Every gun shot that doesn't kill an animal is a bad shot or beyond bad shot.
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I guess I can meet you half way, out kicking game is almost good and we almost got those field goals and I'm sure it won't cost us a game when it's important to be more than almost. I'm almost a marine, but I'm a teacher. We almost have 7 National Championships. The Bills almost won that Super Bowl with that extremely well struck field goal that didn't go through the uprights. Stats and wins matter, we had a lot of feel good almost time a few years ago when we were 5-6. Almost is what losers talk about while the winners are still playing. He could have "struck the ball well" and kicked it sideways into the student section. At some point this season we are not going to be the ones that got lucky and won we'll be the ones that almost won...and it will be because our kicker struck the ball well and it went wide right.
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The operative and key word is "good" or "good-looking"--not almost. Why can't you just admit that Greenberg's 46 yarder was a good-looking kick that was inches right and hit the upright? Why is that so hard for you to admit? Perhaps you're just a dick.

Can you admit that it is "good" that the Griz have gotten to the national championship 7 times? Or can you not even admit that? Speaking of losers, you seem to be one, and really don't understand the game. I've thought that all along, but your recent comments have confirmed it. Childish too.
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Or maybe I refuse to pussy foot around the issue. A kick that misses looks bad to me and a kick that makes it looks good because that is all that matters. You're damn right that most people think I'm a dick because I don't think that a participation trophy should exist. Yes, it's great we made it to the championship 7 times. Who is the best FCS program of all time? The team that won 3 in a row or the one that almost won 5. I really like the name calling though. It made me feel better because I didn't have to do that to you, and as a professional who has to deal with a lot of people on a regular basis in stressful situations, I know that the first one to resort to name calling is the one losing the argument. I am happy that I am a dick, it means that I am doing my job and not letting halfassery slide. Yes, I'm a loser you got me good, I hope you have a tissue while I weep tears of inconsolability. And childish, yes, like a child I like to win and will complain when I don't. I refuse to accept mediocrity and make excuses for why it is ok. If that kicker never makes a kick all year but all of his attempts look really pretty he will not get an award, you know why? Because he didn't make a damn kick all year. By the same token, if a kicker makes every kick but every kick comes out sideways and he his to bounce it off the goalpost but they go in and he makes 50/50 but none look good he is the better kicker and wins the awards. This isn't a beauty contest. If it was at least we'd get to look at some jugs. It isn't and that's how it is. And please for the love of my feelings try not to come up with any more of those mean mean names they hurt me so hahahaha
 
Dupuyer, yes, as you admitted, you are a dick. You are probably okay in person, but your ability to admit mistakes and act like a normal person are obviously holding you back on the board and in life. Feel free to shed this persona and move on.
 
PlayerRep said:
Dupuyer, yes, as you admitted, you are a dick. You are probably okay in person, but your ability to admit mistakes and act like a normal person are obviously holding you back on the board and in life. Feel free to shed this persona and move on.
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What mistake? The kick was bad I don't feel that to be a good kick. I'm sure you would not find me ok in person and being a dick makes me good at what I do. A fundamental disagreement between whether a kick is good or good looking is not a mistake. Not everyone needs to disagree on everything. If you think you can bully me in to agreeing with you by calling me names you are being foolish. You will never get me to admit the things you want. Where do we go next? You question me on whether or not I even played the game and I respond only through high school. Then you pshaw me for my lack of carnal knowledge of the college game that has long ago passed you by and I respond by telling you about the two kids I played football with who went to the next level but weren't what I would call brain surgeons but had no problem arguing a point they believed because it makes them and others feel good. Quit putting yourself on a pedestal, you're not special and acting special makes people view you as such "special." Keep talking down you've almost broken me.
 
dupuyer griz said:
PlayerRep said:
Dupuyer, yes, as you admitted, you are a dick. You are probably okay in person, but your ability to admit mistakes and act like a normal person are obviously holding you back on the board and in life. Feel free to shed this persona and move on.
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What mistake? The kick was bad I don't feel that to be a good kick. I'm sure you would not find me ok in person and being a dick makes me good at what I do. A fundamental disagreement between whether a kick is good or good looking is not a mistake. Not everyone needs to disagree on everything. If you think you can bully me in to agreeing with you by calling me names you are being foolish. You will never get me to admit the things you want. Where do we go next? You question me on whether or not I even played the game and I respond only through high school. Then you pshaw me for my lack of carnal knowledge of the college game that has long ago passed you by and I respond by telling you about the two kids I played football with who went to the next level but weren't what I would call brain surgeons but had no problem arguing a point they believed because it makes them and others feel good. Quit putting yourself on a pedestal, you're not special and acting special makes people view you as such "special." Keep talking down you've almost broken me.
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I actually don't read most of what you post. Just skim them on occasion. I find that much of what you say is so offbase or off the way that it is not worth reading. No one is trying to bully you. Just calling it as I see it.
 
PlayerRep said:
Dupuyer, yes, as you admitted, you are a dick. You are probably okay in person, but your ability to admit mistakes and act like a normal person are obviously holding you back on the board and in life. Feel free to shed this persona and move on.
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PR, can YOU admit that no matter how well a kick was struck, or how "good" it looked, if it doesn't go through then it was a bad kick?
 
AZGrizFan said:
PlayerRep said:
Dupuyer, yes, as you admitted, you are a dick. You are probably okay in person, but your ability to admit mistakes and act like a normal person are obviously holding you back on the board and in life. Feel free to shed this persona and move on.
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PR, can YOU admit that no matter how well a kick was struck, or how "good" it looked, if it doesn't go through then it was a bad kick?
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No, it depends. A 50 yard or so kick that hits the middle of the crossbar but doesn't go through is usually not a "bad" kick, but is, of course, a "missed" kick. Any kick from say 40 or so that doesn't go through the uprights is probably a "bad" kick, although it could be "well-struck". A missed extra point is always a "bad" kick, unless there was bad snap/hold or a huge break down in the line. A short wounded duck, from say 35 yards, that hits the crossbar/upright in the corner but gets through is a made kick, but probably is still pretty close to a "bad" kick.

Again, my view is the Greenberg's 46 yarder was that it was well-struck and a pretty good kick, but it missed. Havgriz and Gaeilege apparently agree with me. Greenberg's 46 yarder was certainly not "beyond bad", which is essentially what I've been disagreeing with in this thread.

Havgriz: "Greenburg made a solid boot with the one that hit the upright. Hitting the upright means it had the distance, that he has the leg, and that he struck it well from that distance. It was a well struck kick and at least everybody in the section I was in was ready to cheer thinking it was good."

Gaeilege: "I actually thought that Greenberg had a pretty decent delivery even though he missed the two field goals he tried. That 46 yard attempt in the first quarter was a pretty good kick. He just got unlucky."
 
The only thing that matters is if the kick goes through the uprights. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that kickers should do their jobs, especially when the weather is decent, they are playing at home, and the kick isn't from some insanely long distance.

The difference between a "good kick that doesn't go through" and a "bad kick" is solely academic. It results in 0 points at the end of the day, and we play these games to win. Not everybody deserves a medal, unless you play in a league where PR is giving out awards.
 
After the kicking debacle last weekend, Delaney was quoted in the Missoulian as 'having some thoughts' on the kicking game. Being in his early 70's, he'd be considered 'old school', so I was wondering, do you think he'd try, at least once, the DROP KICK?
 
Jerry Punch said:
The only thing that matters is if the kick goes through the uprights. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that kickers should do their jobs, especially when the weather is decent, they are playing at home, and the kick isn't from some insanely long distance.

The difference between a "good kick that doesn't go through" and a "bad kick" is solely academic. It results in 0 points at the end of the day, and we play these games to win. Not everybody deserves a medal, unless you play in a league where PR is giving out awards.
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How dare you
 
there are a lot of commentators, coaches, players, fans, and even those who have played the game before that have some SERIOUS explaining to do. because I have heard the term "no good!" on missed field goals every single weekend that I have watched football! how can this be?! :o
 
PlayerRep said:
PlayerRep, yes, as you admitted, you are a dick. You are probably okay in person, but your ability to admit mistakes and act like a normal person are obviously holding you back on the board and in life. Feel free to shed this persona and move on.
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Jerry Punch said:
The only thing that matters is if the kick goes through the uprights. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that kickers should do their jobs, especially when the weather is decent, they are playing at home, and the kick isn't from some insanely long distance.

The difference between a "good kick that doesn't go through" and a "bad kick" is solely academic. It results in 0 points at the end of the day, and we play these games to win. Not everybody deserves a medal, unless you play in a league where PR is giving out awards.
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I agree with some of what you say, but most of what you said wasn't addressing the point, or sub-point, that was being discussed. However, you did admit that there is a difference between "bad" kick and a "good kick that doesn't go through". That is my point. The fact remains that a 46 yarder that is well-struck and hits the upright is a pretty good kick, but obviously a miss. I would start a kicker who consistently hits the upright or crossbar from 46, over a kicker who consistently is wide by 5 yards, or short by 5 yards, from 40. Apparently, you think they are equal because they both miss.

I'm looking at this subject more from the viewpoint of a coach, not a league giving out awards. Punch, have you won any awards lately? Or ever won any? In sport or profession/job?
 
PlayerRep said:
Jerry Punch said:
The only thing that matters is if the kick goes through the uprights. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that kickers should do their jobs, especially when the weather is decent, they are playing at home, and the kick isn't from some insanely long distance.

The difference between a "good kick that doesn't go through" and a "bad kick" is solely academic. It results in 0 points at the end of the day, and we play these games to win. Not everybody deserves a medal, unless you play in a league where PR is giving out awards.
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I agree with some of what you say, but most of what you said wasn't addressing the point, or sub-point, that was being discussed. However, you did admit that there is a difference between "bad" kick and a "good kick that doesn't go through". That is my point. The fact remains that a 46 yarder that is well-struck and hits the upright is a pretty good kick, but obviously a miss. I would start a kicker who consistently hits the upright or crossbar from 46, over a kicker who consistently is wide by 5 yards, or short by 5 yards, from 40. Apparently, you think they are equal because they both miss.

I'm looking at this subject more from the viewpoint of a coach, not a league giving out awards. Punch, have you won any awards lately? Or ever won any? In sport or profession/job?
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Oh God, first in line for never coached a game tag...
 
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