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Is it time for coaching changes at Montana ?

CDAGRIZ said:
First, I agree the financial side of it is a huge factor. I'm talking specifically about QBs (and, I suppose, the secondary). So, not very many scholarships.

Second, I can guarantee you that the "work ethic" isn't unique to Montana. There's no state border that magically grants its inhabitants some mystical soft factor of "[state] work ethic". DI FB players all have it, or they won't last long. We need to get over that.

Lastly, I would rather have one or two guys ready to contribute early than one or two MT Gatorade players of the year who need (what has felt like) eons to "let the game slow down for them." Accordingly, I don't think the focus should be on winning the in-state recruiting battle.

**Stop reading here if you don't like anecdotes**

One of my family members dated a bball player in HS. 6'7". He was the state player of the year. Just absolutely schooled everyone in his division his senior year. He ended up going to a junior college in Southern Idaho where he got absolutely manhandled by dudes on his team from Chicago, Texas, Oklahoma, California, etc. Transferred to a different JC and the same thing pretty much happened. Never played again. I think it's sometimes a useful exercise for coaches and players to assess whether they're looking at a big fish/small pond scenario.
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I know the MT work ethic thing from coaches and some football players. They say the MT kids lead the work hard of practice and weight room aspect. That doesn't mean out of state kids don't have work ethic. I suppose a few do. Ha. Okay, I too would have liked to see Arch Manning on the field for a year or two at UM.
 
mthoopsfan said:
I know the MT work ethic thing from coaches and some football players. They say the MT kids lead the work hard of practice and weight room aspect. That doesn't mean out of state kids don't have work ethic. I suppose a few do. Ha. Okay, I too would have liked to see Arch Manning on the field for a year or two at UM.
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That's great. Get the glue guys in the weight room and practice to lead things so the talent can take the field at the skill positions. Again, this is over time and on average. Exceptions abound.

Arch Manning was never coming here, but I wonder where his backup, or other QBs in his HS league went. I truly believe there is an advantage to be gained at the FCS level if we are willing to find it.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
That's great. Get the glue guys in the weight room and practice to lead things so the talent can take the field at the skill positions. Again, this is over time and on average. Exceptions abound.

Arch Manning was never coming here, but I wonder where his backup, or other QBs in his HS league went. I truly believe there is an advantage to be gained at the FCS level if we are willing to find it.
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If you had a child who played QB and was considering UM, what could you point to that gives you confidence this staff could or would develop them?
 
bigkid said:
How long does it take defensive players taken in the portal to learn and feel comfortable in the 3-3-5 defense. I’m assuming most haven’t been introduced to it prior.
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It's impossible to answer that question. Bobby has had one good year with that defense.
 
HikeGlacier said:
If you had a child who played QB and was considering UM, what could you point to that gives you confidence this staff could or would develop them?
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That for sure depends on the level of QB. If he was a MT AA HS QB, I’d implore him to go face some competition in some elite JC program until he’s ready to play DI. I would never encourage him to sign with a DI program and sit the bench for three years just so he can have the cool hoodies. If he was truly elite in a way that eclipsed MT HS ball, he probably wouldn’t have UM or MSU on his radar.

The way I see it is this: If you’re good but “not ready” for FCS, go play JC to get the game reps to become ready. If you’re “not ready” for FBS, come to UM to get the game reps to become ready. Doesn’t mean either is a bad QB; I’m just tired of the narrative that so-and-so is good but not yet. The clock ticks.
 
Ursus1 said:
Well who is responsible for having a team of players that need to be have better talent? It isn't high school, coaches recruit the players. A major job of coaches is recruiting the players, not just Xs and Os. Either they can't recruit as well as the other top programs, or they can't set up schemes to utilize the best they can with the athletes they got. Running a defense that relies on a truly dominant interior guy like Gubner without guys like that on the roster is not adapting to a roster, it is jamming square pegs in round holes. When relying on the portal so much also doesn't make sense to use a scheme that is basically new to every portal guy requiring so long for them to "figure it out". Bobby has said at least half a season ( I can think of a couple games that might have been won if they weren't played during this "learning time" this season). Portal guys need to be plug and play not learn on the go. Most portal guys are coming from a standard 4 front that they have learned since middle school, much faster to be successful here. This year they will need a pile of transfers once again to even have a hope of being competitive with the top levels.
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Might have to pay more $ to get the 5 star kids.
 
I'm going to the Sat. game to support the players certainly not the coaches who aren't ready for prime time.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
Exactly. Didn’t have to sit based on rules back then, and that was an incentive. There’s no incentive anymore. That’s where I think we can find recruiting opportunities out of HS. I’m a broken record, but winning the in-state recruiting battle is a dumb battle to fight.
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Amen!
 
mthoopsfan said:
Talking players from portal who have multiple years of college experience and tape is much
less of an educated guess than taking high school kids. I don’t agree that the Cats are cleaning up in-state.
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Jones and Ortt BSC offensive and defensive players of the week. I didn’t notice Bobby's nephew on the list.
 
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