Is Ash going through a midlife crisis?

[grizd]

He makes it sound as though it's an epidemic, but this is the only case I've ever heard of. Lots of graduate transfers moving from one FBS school to another, but don't recall an FCS to FBS jump.

Correct, this is not a very common occurrence right now - but that is the concern of Ash, Baldwin, and any other FCS coach that's been around and understands what's going on - that it may become more common. This situation is not what the rule was designed for, and unless it's changed it could become commonplace for NFL caliber players to start jumping ship their Senior seasons in order to potentially strengthen their draft stock. Again, this would be a really bad thing for the FCS, a division that already basically viewed as DII by the "Big Time" football world. I hate the NCAA.

P.S. I should know better than to actually try to have actual FCS football discussions on here anymore :lol: . On the average day when you look at the top twenty threads on here, well over half of them are titled something about the BOBCATS, Ash, VA, EWU, etc... and they everything quickly morphs into a "funny off" between 8 to 10 posters. Still entertaining tho...

I just don't get the whining angle on this. Coaches leave for bigger programs all the time even though they're under contract. FBS players leave all the time to better themselves and try to make the NFL. Transfers happen up and down all the time across all levels.

In this case a kid is graduating with a bachelor degree and is moving up to make himself more marketable. Good on him for taking the credits needed to graduate in four years while still being one of the best players in FCS. Yes it sucks for ewu but not for the kid and ESPECIALLY not for Ash. He left Drake for a "better" opportunity didn't he. Selfish and shameful IMHO.

 

[MsMaroon]

This from the Red Zone:

Baldwin appears to have backtracked his statements somewhat on Portland radio today. Not sure what that means regarding Adams' use of team facilities (he still seemed firm on the 'opposing quarterback training with us' narrative), but he is clearly in damage control mode.

http://media.1080thefan.com/a/101913650" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... hour-3.htm

 

[griz98]

He makes it sound as though it's an epidemic, but this is the only case I've ever heard of. Lots of graduate transfers moving from one FBS school to another, but don't recall an FCS to FBS jump.

Correct, this is not a very common occurrence right now - but that is the concern of Ash, Baldwin, and any other FCS coach that's been around and understands what's going on - that it may become more common. This situation is not what the rule was designed for, and unless it's changed it could become commonplace for NFL caliber players to start jumping ship their Senior seasons in order to potentially strengthen their draft stock. Again, this would be a really bad thing for the FCS, a division that already basically viewed as DII by the "Big Time" football world. I hate the NCAA.

P.S. I should know better than to actually try to have actual FCS football discussions on here anymore :lol: . On the average day when you look at the top twenty threads on here, well over half of them are titled something about the BOBCATS, Ash, VA, EWU, etc... and they everything quickly morphs into a "funny off" between 8 to 10 posters. Still entertaining tho...

It's not his Senior season, he graduated! He will be attending graduate school. His scholarship is based on him working towards a degree which he finished. He should be free to attend whichever graduate program best suits him.

 

[EverettGriz]

He makes it sound as though it's an epidemic, but this is the only case I've ever heard of. Lots of graduate transfers moving from one FBS school to another, but don't recall an FCS to FBS jump.

Correct, this is not a very common occurrence right now - but that is the concern of Ash, Baldwin, and any other FCS coach that's been around and understands what's going on - that it may become more common. This situation is not what the rule was designed for, and unless it's changed it could become commonplace for NFL caliber players to start jumping ship their Senior seasons in order to potentially strengthen their draft stock. Again, this would be a really bad thing for the FCS, a division that already basically viewed as DII by the "Big Time" football world. I hate the NCAA.

P.S. I should know better than to actually try to have actual FCS football discussions on here anymore :lol: . On the average day when you look at the top twenty threads on here, well over half of them are titled something about the BOBCATS, Ash, VA, EWU, etc... and they everything quickly morphs into a "funny off" between 8 to 10 posters. Still entertaining tho...

That's the entire point. It's not going to become a common occurrence, so Ron Ash and Baldwin just come off looking like the whiny assed bitches they evidently are.

Think of the remarkable circumstances that came together to make this happen:

1. Has to be a once in a generation player.
2. They have to graduate in 4 years (recall, most programs don't offer diesel maintenance as a degree program like ewoo).
3. A top program (I don't see too many players transferring to, say, Georgia State) has to not only want them, but have a need. Seriously, how many programs like Oregon find themselves needing a QB.
4. The player has to come from a program with some of the worst facilities in DI, to one with some of the best.
5. The player has to want to go. Many won't, for a variety of reasons (playing in front of family, a girlfriend, teammates, etc)


The chances of those things all coming together are extremely high. If this happens once every 5 or 6 years, I'd be shocked.

Justify it all you want, but Ron Ash is simply a whiny hypocrite. But at least he's committed to it....

 

[poorgriz]

He makes it sound as though it's an epidemic, but this is the only case I've ever heard of. Lots of graduate transfers moving from one FBS school to another, but don't recall an FCS to FBS jump.

Correct, this is not a very common occurrence right now - but that is the concern of Ash, Baldwin, and any other FCS coach that's been around and understands what's going on - that it may become more common. This situation is not what the rule was designed for, and unless it's changed it could become commonplace for NFL caliber players to start jumping ship their Senior seasons in order to potentially strengthen their draft stock. Again, this would be a really bad thing for the FCS, a division that already basically viewed as DII by the "Big Time" football world. I hate the NCAA.

P.S. I should know better than to actually try to have actual FCS football discussions on here anymore :lol: . On the average day when you look at the top twenty threads on here, well over half of them are titled something about the BOBCATS, Ash, VA, EWU, etc... and they everything quickly morphs into a "funny off" between 8 to 10 posters. Still entertaining tho...

What was the rule designed for? Just curious.

I think the issue seems to be bigger for FBS schools, i.e. great players and lesser teams that would like to move to a bigger/better FBS program for their final year. Nevertheless, I can't imagine that there are lots of great or very good FCS, or even FBS, players who are good enough to take the risk of moving to a better school to play their last year; willing to leave their school, teammates, friends, girlfriends, for their last year in college; and will be graduating in 4 years. Also, I'm not sure an Adams or very good FCS player would want to move to a lesser FBS program for his last year (like UM to Utah St or something like that).

Sure, Russell Wilson. There was a good ACC d-lineman (conference sack leader, I think) who did this to drop down to FCS for his 4th year, but that's not Ash's concern. Trumaine Johnson would have been a candidate, but don't think he wasn't graduating in 4 years. I think Adams is fairly unique. Great player, and happens to have a wide open opportunity at a great program. Usually, top programs have alot of depth, so the positions are not wide open. While Adams has an almost unique opportunity, and I think he's made the right decision, it's not without risks at EWU. I assume not, or he certainly won't be getting reps.

I don't pretend to be an expert on the rules, but I believe it was put in place purely for academic reasons. Specifically so those student athletes that had already received their degree would be free to move to another school in order to begin work on their post bachelor's degree immediately, without having to wait another year. It certainly wasn't put in place to help players improve their chances of getting drafted in the NFL higher.

 

[Griz2k]

I'd like one person, Ash in particular, to explain to me how any of this is any different than him signing multiple "transfers". Seriously, I'm starting to feel embarrassed for him. His rants about "commitment" are making him look awfully foolish.

 

[Griz2k]

He makes it sound as though it's an epidemic, but this is the only case I've ever heard of. Lots of graduate transfers moving from one FBS school to another, but don't recall an FCS to FBS jump.

Correct, this is not a very common occurrence right now - but that is the concern of Ash, Baldwin, and any other FCS coach that's been around and understands what's going on - that it may become more common. This situation is not what the rule was designed for, and unless it's changed it could become commonplace for NFL caliber players to start jumping ship their Senior seasons in order to potentially strengthen their draft stock. Again, this would be a really bad thing for the FCS, a division that already basically viewed as DII by the "Big Time" football world. I hate the NCAA.

P.S. I should know better than to actually try to have actual FCS football discussions on here anymore :lol: . On the average day when you look at the top twenty threads on here, well over half of them are titled something about the BOBCATS, Ash, VA, EWU, etc... and they everything quickly morphs into a "funny off" between 8 to 10 posters. Still entertaining tho...

What was the rule designed for? Just curious.

I think the issue seems to be bigger for FBS schools, i.e. great players and lesser teams that would like to move to a bigger/better FBS program for their final year. Nevertheless, I can't imagine that there are lots of great or very good FCS, or even FBS, players who are good enough to take the risk of moving to a better school to play their last year; willing to leave their school, teammates, friends, girlfriends, for their last year in college; and will be graduating in 4 years. Also, I'm not sure an Adams or very good FCS player would want to move to a lesser FBS program for his last year (like UM to Utah St or something like that).

Sure, Russell Wilson. There was a good ACC d-lineman (conference sack leader, I think) who did this to drop down to FCS for his 4th year, but that's not Ash's concern. Trumaine Johnson would have been a candidate, but don't think he wasn't graduating in 4 years. I think Adams is fairly unique. Great player, and happens to have a wide open opportunity at a great program. Usually, top programs have alot of depth, so the positions are not wide open. While Adams has an almost unique opportunity, and I think he's made the right decision, it's not without risks at EWU. I assume not, or he certainly won't be getting reps.

I don't pretend to be an expert on the rules, but I believe it was put in place purely for academic reasons. Specifically so those student athletes that had already received their degree would be free to move to another school in order to begin work on their post bachelor's degree immediately, without having to wait another year. It certainly wasn't put in place to help players improve their chances of getting drafted in the NFL higher.

Why do they have to be mutually exclusive? Adams is going to Oregon to work on his master's degree. If he ends up raising his NFL stock in the process, then good for him. I have zero problem with the rule.

 

[AZGrizFan]

He makes it sound as though it's an epidemic, but this is the only case I've ever heard of. Lots of graduate transfers moving from one FBS school to another, but don't recall an FCS to FBS jump.

Correct, this is not a very common occurrence right now - but that is the concern of Ash, Baldwin, and any other FCS coach that's been around and understands what's going on - that it may become more common. This situation is not what the rule was designed for, and unless it's changed it could become commonplace for NFL caliber players to start jumping ship their Senior seasons in order to potentially strengthen their draft stock. Again, this would be a really bad thing for the FCS, a division that already basically viewed as DII by the "Big Time" football world. I hate the NCAA.

P.S. I should know better than to actually try to have actual FCS football discussions on here anymore :lol: . On the average day when you look at the top twenty threads on here, well over half of them are titled something about the BOBCATS, Ash, VA, EWU, etc... and they everything quickly morphs into a "funny off" between 8 to 10 posters. Still entertaining tho...

That's the entire point. It's not going to become a common occurrence, so Ron Ash and Baldwin just come off looking like the whiny assed bitches they evidently are.

Think of the remarkable circumstances that came together to make this happen:

1. Has to be a once in a generation player.
2. They have to graduate in 4 years (recall, most programs don't offer diesel maintenance as a degree program like ewoo).
3. A top program (I don't see too many players transferring to, say, Georgia State) has to not only want them, but have a need. Seriously, how many programs like Oregon find themselves needing a QB.
4. The player has to come from a program with some of the worst facilities in DI, to one with some of the best.
5. The player has to want to go. Many won't, for a variety of reasons (playing in front of family, a girlfriend, teammates, etc)


The chances of those things all coming together are extremely high. If this happens once every 5 or 6 years, I'd be shocked.

Justify it all you want, but Ron Ash is simply a whiny hypocrite. But at least he's committed to it....

Great post.

 

[Grizzlies1982]

He makes it sound as though it's an epidemic, but this is the only case I've ever heard of. Lots of graduate transfers moving from one FBS school to another, but don't recall an FCS to FBS jump.

Correct, this is not a very common occurrence right now - but that is the concern of Ash, Baldwin, and any other FCS coach that's been around and understands what's going on - that it may become more common. This situation is not what the rule was designed for, and unless it's changed it could become commonplace for NFL caliber players to start jumping ship their Senior seasons in order to potentially strengthen their draft stock. Again, this would be a really bad thing for the FCS, a division that already basically viewed as DII by the "Big Time" football world. I hate the NCAA.

P.S. I should know better than to actually try to have actual FCS football discussions on here anymore :lol: . On the average day when you look at the top twenty threads on here, well over half of them are titled something about the BOBCATS, Ash, VA, EWU, etc... and they everything quickly morphs into a "funny off" between 8 to 10 posters. Still entertaining tho...

That's the entire point. It's not going to become a common occurrence, so Ron Ash and Baldwin just come off looking like the whiny assed bitches they evidently are.

Think of the remarkable circumstances that came together to make this happen:

1. Has to be a once in a generation player.
2. They have to graduate in 4 years (recall, most programs don't offer diesel maintenance as a degree program like ewoo).
3. A top program (I don't see too many players transferring to, say, Georgia State) has to not only want them, but have a need. Seriously, how many programs like Oregon find themselves needing a QB.
4. The player has to come from a program with some of the worst facilities in DI, to one with some of the best.
5. The player has to want to go. Many won't, for a variety of reasons (playing in front of family, a girlfriend, teammates, etc)


The chances of those things all coming together are extremely high. If this happens once every 5 or 6 years, I'd be shocked.

Justify it all you want, but Ron Ash is simply a whiny hypocrite. But at least he's committed to it....

EverettGriz, I agree. Great post. It's certain to become more common yet it requires an extraordinarily rare set of circumstances so it will never become common place.

Yep, Ash can pursue changing the rules but it remains hypocritical as long as the FBS to FCS pipeline is continued. Let's change it all and REQUIRE all athletes to complete their career where it began. Hell, same with coaches who jump ship during an existing contract. BAN them from coaching for five years if they attempt to leave early. It is only right and fair.

Yep, Baldwin too has every right to be upset and unhappy with the situation. Yet Lil Shoota isn't a slave he was an athlete with a year to year scholarship obligation/commitment. Everyone honored their end of the contract and EWU got the best of the deal by a long shot. During three years of playing Vernon took an fair team and made them into a dangerous one. In turn he is about to get an EWU degree. Not much balance to that deal.

So my advice to the above coaches is SHUT THE HELL UP. Do you want to look like bitter asses? You don't have to like it. You can try to change it. Yet stop the whining. Especially stop being hypocrites. The kids are not your property. Stop treating them as if they were. :ugeek:

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Ash is being heralded as an Ambassador for the FCS over on Wombat nation....I wish I wasn't banned from the site because it would be soooo fun to make fun of them for this.

It's pretty amazing how the vast majority of cat fans over on bbn actually agree with Ash... then there's the one voice of reason, kmax, who actually gets it.

Kmax is one of 3 or 4 smart ones over there that get a lot more than just this topic. They have a great tailgate as well.

 

[griz5700]

Hope that idiot coaches at MSU for a long time....

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

He makes it sound as though it's an epidemic, but this is the only case I've ever heard of. Lots of graduate transfers moving from one FBS school to another, but don't recall an FCS to FBS jump.

Correct, this is not a very common occurrence right now - but that is the concern of Ash, Baldwin, and any other FCS coach that's been around and understands what's going on - that it may become more common. This situation is not what the rule was designed for, and unless it's changed it could become commonplace for NFL caliber players to start jumping ship their Senior seasons in order to potentially strengthen their draft stock. Again, this would be a really bad thing for the FCS, a division that already basically viewed as DII by the "Big Time" football world. I hate the NCAA.

P.S. I should know better than to actually try to have actual FCS football discussions on here anymore :lol: . On the average day when you look at the top twenty threads on here, well over half of them are titled something about the BOBCATS, Ash, VA, EWU, etc... and they everything quickly morphs into a "funny off" between 8 to 10 posters. Still entertaining tho...

All that is true about egriz....it must be due to the Cats recent changing of the guard campaign...is getting beat by 30 every year in the brawl gonna be part of that campaign like your "don't mention the griz on BN" campaign pitch is?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Hope that idiot coaches at MSU for a long time....

Same here..............

 

[Grisly Fan]

P.S. I should know better than to actually try to have actual FCS football discussions on here anymore :lol: . On the average day when you look at the top twenty threads on here, well over half of them are titled something about the BOBCATS, Ash, VA, EWU, etc... and they everything quickly morphs into a "funny off" between 8 to 10 posters. Still entertaining tho...

Yet you keep coming back... Sounds like you are describing watching a train wreck. Explains why you are a Bobcats fan.

 

[poorgriz]

P.S. I should know better than to actually try to have actual FCS football discussions on here anymore :lol: . On the average day when you look at the top twenty threads on here, well over half of them are titled something about the BOBCATS, Ash, VA, EWU, etc... and they everything quickly morphs into a "funny off" between 8 to 10 posters. Still entertaining tho...

Yet you keep coming back... Sounds like you are describing watching a train wreck. Explains why you are a Bobcats fan.

Hey, I've never said it isn't entertaining! :lol: Just getting tougher and tougher to find actual football discussion.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

P.S. I should know better than to actually try to have actual FCS football discussions on here anymore :lol: . On the average day when you look at the top twenty threads on here, well over half of them are titled something about the BOBCATS, Ash, VA, EWU, etc... and they everything quickly morphs into a "funny off" between 8 to 10 posters. Still entertaining tho...

Yet you keep coming back... Sounds like you are describing watching a train wreck. Explains why you are a Bobcats fan.

Hey, I've never said it isn't entertaining! :lol: Just getting tougher and tougher to find actual football discussion.

How is it in Bobcatville? Is everyone ashamed of your coach? Haha! I know most of you guys can put 2 and 2 together, so is this kind of the beginning of the end for Ron Ash? What an embarrassment, right?

 

[Ron Ash]

Hay!

 

[UMGriz75]

Everyone honored their end of the contract and EWU got the best of the deal by a long shot. During three years of playing Vernon took an fair team and made them into a dangerous one. In turn he is about to get an EWU degree. Not much balance to that deal.

:shock:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Hay!

Hey, Ron. Quick question for you: Did you operate out of the shotgun when you were calling signals at Cornell College of Iowa?

Follow up: how many times have you tried to impress a chick by saying you went to Cornell without clarifying it wasn't the Ivy League one?

Thanks, Ron!

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Gettin' real tired of your shit there, Ron, real tired. You can PM me all you want, but the answer is still "No."

EDIT: Ron, I've also been meaning to ask you about your boy Baldwin's comments that Oregon should have had some QBs waiting in the wings.

"We were the ones who developed him [Adams] from a level out of high school, he wasn't at that level. When you are Oregon and over the last three or four years and you're not recruiting a number of guys who can fill in when Marcus Mariota leaves, what are you doing over there," Baldwin asked."It's the truth. That part is just baffling. I think there should always be two or three guys loaded up and ready to go."

http://oregon.247sports.com/Bolt/EWU...riota-35578939

As a BSC coach who already looks pretty bad in the national media, would you ever publicly suggest that a PAC 12 coach (who played for the NC last year) doesn't know how to do his job? Is Baldwin forgetting that he coaches at a place called Eastern Washington University? You wouldn't ever do something like this, would you, Ron?