Investigated for murder; busted for jaywalking

[PlayerRep]

UM didn't knowingly use ineligible players. UM didn't know the the mom was a booster or what she had done was a problem. UM didn't know the legal arrangements the players had arranged. The NCAA later took the position that the players were ineligible. Just because UM and Engstrom later agreed to some of this, in order to conclude the investigation, doesn't mean they knew it at the time. Do you really think UM would knowingly use ineligible players?

Of course UM knew they were ineligible, not only did UM fu*k that up they shouldnt have been playing anyway because they broke the law got tased and arrested. They should have been done for the season so it would never have been an issue.

That isnt how UM rolls under ODay, Hauck they push this sh*t under the rug create a culture where other players see what happening and think screw it Im gonna buy some X, Im gonna drive my car into somebodys house, pull a gun, curb stomp a frat boy.....WHY? Because I wont lose any playing time thats why.

You guys that are still harping on Engstrom, and the fact we got caught are almost a bigger problem than UM cheating and allowing this culture to exist. Not only that your fu*king embarrassing to your parents, the state of Montana and YOUR president.



STFU already, we got caught, we have been punished and real men own it and move on since its in the past. Quit baggin on the only guy with balls, Engstrom saved our ass and did the right thing sh*tcanning ODay and the coach that paid for Haucks mess.

Nope, as usual, you don't have a clue. No one knew they were ineligible, because they actually weren't and shouldn't been declared ineligible later. UM didn't fight the ncaa like they should have.

Breaking the law? They pled nolo to disorderly conduct. That is hardly breaking the law.

Your buddy Engstrom signed off on them continuing to play. He came into the locker room before the next game (Weber) and said they could play after the minor suspension, and said that the university believed the players and witnesses, and didn't believe the police. Ask anyone who was in the meeting room before the Weber game.

Nothing was pushed under the rug. Hauck had been gone for 2 years. Get over it. Hauck is the best UM coach of all time.

 

[Big G]

Why does this guy still get to post here?

 

[jacobj6]

meth state: coach on heavy drugs, slinging meth (the devil's venom); players habitually busted and levied with dope charges; players murdering kids over drugs; etc., etc.

Loss of institutional control??? Nope. NCAA cronies setup camp in town for 2 years??? Nope. NCAA in town even for 1 day??? Nope; NCAA, who are they!? Fields fired??? Nope. Still there to this day.


GRIZ NATION: friend's mom posts bail (jail doesn't take plastic), a few plump Ball Parks unaccounted for (over an 11 yr period).

NCAA all over this - like a fat kid on a Twix-Snicks-Twinks cupcake!

Where's Waldo!?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Yep the idiots keep falling out of the PlayaRaPEtree................this was all about hotdogs and moms. Maybe you morans are too dumb to figure it out and cant be trained.

SMFH

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[zoo guy]

I do not know why Alpha still gets to post. Not too sure why he is here at all, when he has his OWN football board to play on? The guy is a Zero.

 

[jacobj6]

Yep the idiots keep falling out of the PlayaRaPEtree................this was all about hotdogs and moms. Maybe you morans are too dumb to figure it out and cant be trained.

SMFH

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Well, just going off of NCAA report. Maybe you know more than the NCAA. Can you tell us what it is about then, ALPHAG? Tell us the facts, instead of yelling us you know OF some facts.

 

[bigkid]

The 2013 Montana Football Team is ready to roll and play games on Saturdays. All information shows they will be very good and probably win most of those games. Tru, Kemp, and Plugrad are gone.....Lets stop over analyzing all this stuff. We broke some rules(minor as they seem), got caught, and paid for it. It's over! Lets get behind this team in a positive way. By the way this is a ScaryGood football team. Hope ya'all can get by the nonsense and enjoy it. If not go fishing!
Go Griz!!

 

[GoosetownGriz]

The lawyer hired is not exactly one of the bigtime lawyers in the field. He was inexpensive. Apparently some but limited experience.

Actually, Buckner has a fair amount of experience in NCAA matters, and was even a former consultant to the NCAA. I'd say he knew his way around an investigation.

I think it's time we stop trying to blame someone. Bad shit happened. The ncca came. They found issues, just as everyone knew they would. Penalties were leveled, just as everyone knew they would. The matter is now closed everywhere but on bcn, where no doubt there are 15 threads regarding it.

Let's move on.

Beat App.

From Buckner's website. I don't see much experience representing D-I schools in NCAA investigations. Look at the years in the second and third bullet points. Even on his website, there isn't much experience listed.

•Provided a national collegiate sports regulatory organization with the following services: conducting investigative audits of non-traditional secondary (high) schools; and reporting to the organization as to the existence of a valid program for educational instruction and advancement at each identified secondary school, including verification of the school’s claimed accreditation and the existence and fulfillment of reasonable accreditation standards.
•Represented a NCAA Division I institution during the NCAA enforcement process (including an internal investigation involving numerous sports programs). Further, conducted a comprehensive NCAA initial- and continuing-eligibility audit of all student-athletes files during the 1999-2000 through 2002-03 academic years.
•Represented a NCAA Division I institution during the NCAA enforcement process (including an internal investigation involving numerous sports programs) and provided consulting advice on revisions to the institution’s (including the athletics department’s) operations, structure, policies, and procedures. Further, conducted a comprehensive initial- and continuing-eligibility audit of all student-athletes files during the 1998-99 through 2003-04 academic years. Finally, represented the institution before the Committee on Infractions.
•Advised a NCAA Division I institution with identifying opportunities for process improvement in the athletics department’s operations, structure, policies, and procedures.
•Advised (ongoing project) a NCAA Division I institution with identifying opportunities for process improvement in the athletics department’s policies and procedures.
•Conducted a NCAA enforcement sanctions verification audit for a NCAA Division I institution.
•Conducted a compliance review for a NCAA Division I institution.
•Represented a NCAA Division I institution before the Committee on Infractions, conducted an internal investigation involving its men’s basketball program, and provided consulting advice on revisions to the athletics department’s operations, structure, policies, and procedures.
•Represented a NAIA institution involving an appeal of the NAIA’s suspension of the client’s men’s basketball program.
•Advised and assisted a NCAA Division III institution with issues involving NCAA transfer and eligibility legislation.
•Represented a NCAA Division I institution before the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement in a case involving an international men’s basketball student-athlete.
•Advised and assisted a NCAA Division I institution in preparing a student-athlete reinstatement appeal brief in a case involving men’s basketball student-athletes.
•Assisted a NCAA Division I institution with the resolution of legal issues pertaining to the termination of a coaching employment relationship and provided consulting advice on the structuring of future coaches’ employment agreements.
•Advised and assisted a NCAA Division I institution in the preparation of a student-athlete reinstatement appeal brief in a case involving a football student-athlete.

Wow some of you are sure lucky people. I would love to have the time to investigate whether or not U of M counsel was sufficiently experienced to represent the U during this investigation so as to make a point on a message board.


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[AZGrizFan]

The 2013 Montana Football Team is ready to roll and play games on Saturdays. All information shows they will be very good and probably win most of those games. Tru, Kemp, and Plugrad are gone.....Lets stop over analyzing all this stuff. We broke some rules(minor as they seem), got caught, and paid for it. It's over! Lets get behind this team in a positive way. By the way this is a ScaryGood football team. Hope ya'all can get by the nonsense and enjoy it. If not go fishing!
Go Griz!!

Oh geez. :shock:

 

[OptimusPrime]

The 2013 Montana Football Team is ready to roll and play games on Saturdays. All information shows they will be very good and probably win most of those games. Tru, Kemp, and Plugrad are gone.....Lets stop over analyzing all this stuff. We broke some rules(minor as they seem), got caught, and paid for it. It's over! Lets get behind this team in a positive way. By the way this is a ScaryGood football team. Hope ya'all can get by the nonsense and enjoy it. If not go fishing!
Go Griz!!

Oh geez. :shock:

:lol:

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

The news just in reports they are reopening the Warren Commission. It seems AG has provided credible information that Bobby Hauck shot JFK.
Alpha get over your senseless hate of Coach Hauck and move on. I think it's time to talk football and to look forward the Montana bitch slapping little brother at state back to where he belongs!
Go Griz.

 

[NativeGriz]

Yep the idiots keep falling out of the PlayaRaPEtree................this was all about hotdogs and moms. Maybe you morans are too dumb to figure it out and cant be trained.

SMFH

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AG, there is no question you lack credibility. PR can at least back up most of what he post.
As for the tazing, Based on what I have heard from several sources, Missoula police crossed the line. There is a reason they dropped the charges from resisting arrest etc to disorderly almost immediately. Everyone has a cell phone and several were recording that night showing police were out of line. The police had to show some face and not drop charges altogether, so they dropped them to the lowest charge possible. I wish TJ or GK would have sued the Missoula Police. RE knows all this but he doesn’t have the leadership balls to know how to deal with it.
RE is brilliant and an idiot at the same time. He should not be more than a Provost. The MSU president would have handled this much better from start to finis.

 

[CatzWillRise]

meth state: coach on heavy drugs, slinging meth (the devil's venom); players habitually busted and levied with dope charges; players murdering kids over drugs; etc., etc.

Loss of institutional control??? Nope. NCAA cronies setup camp in town for 2 years??? Nope. NCAA in town even for 1 day??? Nope; NCAA, who are they!? Fields fired??? Nope. Still there to this day.


GRIZ NATION: friend's mom posts bail (jail doesn't take plastic), a few plump Ball Parks unaccounted for (over an 11 yr period).

NCAA all over this - like a fat kid on a Twix-Snicks-Twinks cupcake!

Where's Waldo!?

Where to even begin with this one.

A coach committing a crime is not the NCAA's problem. If the institution knowingly let's the coach break the law, then it is the NCAA's problem.

Only one player was arrested during his playing days. The rest were ex-players, and all but Gatewood had been kicked off the team or quit when they got in trouble. Again, the NCAA isn't in the business of investigating the school when current players get in trouble, let alone ex-players. The NCAA would have to quadruple it's manpower, because players get busted all the time.

I will admit that the NCAA might've had a vested interest in Gatewood, as he started a drug ring while playing for the Cats using scholarship money. But they must've been satisfied with how MSU handled the situation.

And lastly, there was one murder, not multiple as you indicated. I'm not trying to downplay any of these crimes, but you are clearly trying to embellish your points to fit your agenda.

You can't compare the problems from each school, from an NCAA investigation standpoint, as they are apples to oranges. Yes MSU's crimes were far worse, and trust me we payed more for it with bad PR than UM will with their probation and loss of scholarships. But you have to realize, that the NCAA realizes there are violations and problems at every institution. It's how you handle those that the NCAA cares about. The NCAA clearly though there was a culture of cover-up at UM, and so they made camp.

 

[EverettGriz]

The MSU president would have handled this much better from start to finis.

Perhaps. But knowing Cruzado, it's likely that she would have fired the coach and AD much sooner in the process.

 

[GlacierGrizX]

UM didn't knowingly use ineligible players. UM didn't know the the mom was a booster or what she had done was a problem. UM didn't know the legal arrangements the players had arranged. The NCAA later took the position that the players were ineligible. Just because UM and Engstrom later agreed to some of this, in order to conclude the investigation, doesn't mean they knew it at the time. Do you really think UM would knowingly use ineligible players?

Of course UM knew they were ineligible, not only did UM fu*k that up they shouldnt have been playing anyway because they broke the law got tased and arrested. They should have been done for the season so it would never have been an issue.

That isnt how UM rolls under ODay, Hauck they push this sh*t under the rug create a culture where other players see what happening and think screw it Im gonna buy some X, Im gonna drive my car into somebodys house, pull a gun, curb stomp a frat boy.....WHY? Because I wont lose any playing time thats why.

You guys that are still harping on Engstrom, and the fact we got caught are almost a bigger problem than UM cheating and allowing this culture to exist. Not only that your fu*king embarrassing to your parents, the state of Montana and YOUR president.



STFU already, we got caught, we have been punished and real men own it and move on since its in the past. Quit baggin on the only guy with balls, Engstrom saved our ass and did the right thing sh*tcanning ODay and the coach that paid for Haucks mess.

I really don't care about the firing of Plu, but O'day I have some concern for! Royce E is a state-employee and is paid by the taxpayers of Montana. If he fires another state employee (O'day), especially a department head, there should be justifiable reason, and it should be disclosed. Taxpayers are paying both of these public servants a significant amount of money to run their' respected entities, and we are entitled to know the reasons and issues of the day!

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Yep the idiots keep falling out of the PlayaRaPEtree................this was all about hotdogs and moms. Maybe you morans are too dumb to figure it out and cant be trained.

SMFH

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AG, there is no question you lack credibility. PR can at least back up most of what he post.
As for the tazing, Based on what I have heard from several sources, Missoula police crossed the line. There is a reason they dropped the charges from resisting arrest etc to disorderly almost immediately. Everyone has a cell phone and several were recording that night showing police were out of line. The police had to show some face and not drop charges altogether, so they dropped them to the lowest charge possible. I wish TJ or GK would have sued the Missoula Police. RE knows all this but he doesn’t have the leadership balls to know how to deal with it.
RE is brilliant and an idiot at the same time. He should not be more than a Provost. The MSU president would have handled this much better from start to finis.

PR can't back sh*t up.

The video argument is bullish*t nobody had anything very telling plus it was dark and we all know how good camera phone ccds pick up light in the dark! CMOS isnt as good overall compared to CCD because its susceptible to noise but it uses a hell of a lot less power.

Sorry I got sidetracked thinking any of you could comprehend science when you can't even figure out a simple arrest. That was earned and deserved.

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[MrTitleist]

I love it when people make side swiping comments like, "Man, I wish I had the time to _____" as they post and read on a message board in the middle of the work day.. lol.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I love it when people make side swiping comments like, "Man, I wish I had the time to _____" as they post and read on a message board in the middle of the work day.. lol.

Says the guy supposed to be at work.............

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[ilovethecats]

I love it when people make side swiping comments like, "Man, I wish I had the time to _____" as they post and read on a message board in the middle of the work day.. lol.

who says it's a work day...?

 

[MrTitleist]

I love it when people make side swiping comments like, "Man, I wish I had the time to _____" as they post and read on a message board in the middle of the work day.. lol.

Says the guy supposed to be at work.............

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I'm definitely at work, but definitely not criticizing others for how they spend their time at or away from work.