In State Montana High School Recruits 2014

[Buttegrizzle]

To say Dallas Cook deserved first team QB over Will Weyer because of stats is absurd! Cook was on a mediocre team fighting to keep his team in it,thus throwing a ton. If that's what you're looking for I'm sure Stafford and Romo are your two favorite NFL QBs and you must think that Jameis Winston surely didn't deserve the Heisman. In most games Weyer was pulled early in the second half, thus not padding his stats. He only threw four INTs all year. Cook had two games where he threw for four or more INTs. Butte's receivers should get a lot of the acclaim for Cook's accomplishments. Daum (please land him Griz) is amazing and as a whole the Butte receivers were the best in the state. I believe that Weyer will have a successful career for the Griz and Cook will never start a game at the FBS or FCS level at QB. I see him adding a couple lbs and being an athletic offensive lineman if he wants to.

Buttes recievers were/ are very good. Both Daum and Granger deserve a look. I disagree that Cooks accomplishments should be diminished in any way due the offense style. When you put up 400+ in the air and 150 or so on the ground week in and week out, well, yeah. He is a hell of a QB. As for him vs Weyer, weyer is a great prospect who benefitted from a superb team. Cook is a better B baller. Actually he's a lot better than any of the current Griz big guys, but that's not saying too much. I'm very happy to get Weyer, but Cook had a phenomenal HS career.

 

[PTGrizzly]

Weyer is a better QB than Cook, and to be honest, it really isn't that close.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Who is the kid from Culbertson that is coming to UM?


This is a rhetorical question

 

[1972]

Shayne Cochran

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Weyer is a better QB than Cook, and to be honest, it really isn't that close.

Really?

NOV.
12TH
Dallas Cook closes career, rewrites Montana high school football record book


Glacier's 63-55 win over Butte (Mont.) brought to a close the remarkable career of Dallas Cook, one of the most prolific quarterbacks in Montana history.

Already a record-setting quarterback as a junior when he set eight state passing records, Cook surpassed most of those marks and concludes his career with 14 state records. They include:

Most Career Points Accounted For - 604

Most Season Points Accounted For - 338

Most Total Touchdowns in a Career - 99 (breaks old record by 35)


Courtesy photo
Dallas Cook, Butte
Most Total Touchdowns in a Season - 56 (breaks old record, held by Cook, by 17)

Most Total Touchdowns in a Game - 8 (accomplished twice)

Most Total Yards in a Season - 5,011 (surpasses old record, set by Cook last year, by 514 yards)

Most Total Yards Per Game Average - 456.4 (Cook held old record of 346.2)

Most Passing Yards in a Season - 4,145 (Cook held old record of 3,895)

Most Yards Passing Per Game - 376.8 (Cook held old record of 296.2)

Most Completions in a Season - 296 (Cook held old record of 286)

Most Completions Per Game - 27 (Cook held old record of 22)

Most Touchdown Passes Career - 76

Most Touchdown Passes Season - 40

Cook completed the season with 296 completions in 460 attempts for 4,145 yards and 40 touchdowns. He also rushed 133 times for 866 yards and 16 touchdowns. Butte, the defending state champions, finished with a 6-5 record.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

I'm not taking anything away from Weyer. But to say it's not close? You are right, it's not.

 

[catsack]

I'm not taking anything away from Weyer. But to say it's not close? You are right, it's not.

What college is he signing with?

 

[PTGrizzly]

I'm not taking anything away from Weyer. But to say it's not close? You are right, it's not.

I don't give a damn about the stats. The systems both teams run lead to too many inaccuracies. For example, Butte basically does nothing but pass the ball, while Bozeman ran the ball quite a bit AND most of the starters didn't play all 4 quarters. You put Weyer in Butte, and he puts up just as good of numbers or better. I've seen both of them play, and it's pretty easy to see which one is the better QB.

 

[mikegriz]

There are a couple Montana kids that are on the Treasure State Super State Team that the Griz have shown interest in, Noah James from Glacier, big powerful running back, and Sean Foley a wide receiver and return kid with great ball skills and a jet engine. I think they are both way up on the Griz preferred walk on list. I think they both visited last weekend

A big, powerful running back would be most welcome

 

[Buttegrizzle]

I'm not taking anything away from Weyer. But to say it's not close? You are right, it's not.

What college is he signing with?

That's a good question Catsack. I heard he has academic "issues" so I would not be surprised if he goes JC. This gets back to my discussion with PTGriz about Weyer vs Cook. Yes Weyer is the better get for UM. No argument. If you look at everything it's clear as a college prospect right now Weyer is better. I'll still say this to PT: stats don't matter? Cook did more with less and shattered the record book. Both won a state AA championship. Weyer did it at a school with 500 more kids. Total bull to say Cook played 4 quarters every game. "Little" Cook (Dillon) played most 4 th quarters. Cook did what he did in only two seasons also.

 

[Grizfan-24]

I'm not taking anything away from Weyer. But to say it's not close? You are right, it's not.

What college is he signing with?

That's a good question Catsack. I heard he has academic "issues" so I would not be surprised if he goes JC. This gets back to my discussion with PTGriz about Weyer vs Cook. Yes Weyer is the better get for UM. No argument. If you look at everything it's clear as a college prospect right now Weyer is better. I'll still say this to PT: stats don't matter? Cook did more with less and shattered the record book. Both won a state AA championship. Weyer did it at a school with 500 more kids. Total bull to say Cook played 4 quarters every game. "Little" Cook (Dillon) played most 4 th quarters. Cook did what he did in only two seasons also.

ButteGrizzle:

From what I have seen from both quarterbacks, Weyer is most ready to step into a college program and play. If Cook switches from a spread system like Tony Franklin, to a pro style he is going to need some time to adjust. I said this earlier, Cook needs to end up at a place like Cal, Washington State, or other second tier FBS schools that run the offense to be successful. That would be ideal for him and give him the best chance at succeeding at the college level.

I have worked in the offense that Cook was a part of and his statistics are inflated, although not nearly as much as people would like to think, because from watching video (especially from his Jr. year) Montana high schools seemed to insist on playing traditional 4-3, 4-4 coverage concepts. Cook and to a greater degree Coach Grey understood that and put their best athletes in a position to make plays.

That being said, Cook is going to be a good college quarterback. He has the native arm strength, very mobile, but as I said I think he will be much, much better in a spread system. Weyer like Gustafson before him are better candidates for the pro-style drop back system that Delaney prefers.

 

[grizpack]

I'm not taking anything away from Weyer. But to say it's not close? You are right, it's not.

What college is he signing with?

That's a good question Catsack. I heard he has academic "issues" so I would not be surprised if he goes JC. This gets back to my discussion with PTGriz about Weyer vs Cook. Yes Weyer is the better get for UM. No argument. If you look at everything it's clear as a college prospect right now Weyer is better. I'll still say this to PT: stats don't matter? Cook did more with less and shattered the record book. Both won a state AA championship. Weyer did it at a school with 500 more kids. Total bull to say Cook played 4 quarters every game. "Little" Cook (Dillon) played most 4 th quarters. Cook did what he did in only two seasons also.

He also had over 130 more passing attempts than the next person, and 176 more than Weyer. (And if this was done through only 3 quarters most games, it indicates just how much they threw the football). However, his completion percentages this year were very good.

As for doing more with less, he had one of the best receivers in the state (as did Weyer), and in 2012, had THE best line in the state. His other receivers in 2012 were very good also.

PASSING AVG/GAME Team Cl G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds TD Avg/G
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1. Cook, Da....... BTE SR 10 410 271 10 66.1 3821 39 382.1
2. McChesney, B... GLA JR 10 260 157 15 60.4 2691 33 269.1
3. Weyer, W....... BOZ SR 10 234 142 4 60.7 2546 28 254.6
4. Arntson, T..... HHS SR 10 219 144 6 65.8 1906 18 190.6
5. Paffhausen, K.. MSN JR 10 246 147 9 59.8 1855 15 185.5
6. McLean, J...... CMR SR 10 235 130 5 55.3 1689 10 168.9
7. Zimmer, J...... BSR SR 10 278 165 9 59.4 1509 9 150.9
8. Preston, J..... MBS SR 10 226 112 11 49.6 1377 16 137.7
9. Larson, K...... CAP SR 10 169 90 11 53.3 1196 8 119.6
10.Schaff, G...... BSV SR 10 132 59 5 44.7 1194 10 119.4

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Good stuff Grizpack. I did a cursory search but couldn't find the side by side data. Anyway. We scored big with Weyer. Cook will probably flourish somewhere as you say. Can't wait to see Peyton and BW's summary of signing day!!!

 

[grizcountry420]

Cook better lose some weight or he'll being playing on the line.. He's starting to look like the pillsbury doughboy..

 

[grizpack]

Good stuff Grizpack. I did a cursory search but couldn't find the side by side data. Anyway. We scored big with Weyer. Cook will probably flourish somewhere as you say. Can't wait to see Peyton and BW's summary of signing day!!!

Here is a great site for AA stats. Someone in Great Falls does it each year as the coaches give him or her their stats. Unfortunately, I haven't found a way to access past years.

http://fb.gfps.k12.mt.us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Carrol signs
TE- Conner McGree (Butte)

He's going to do really well at Carrol...he had some BSC schools looking at him...good athlete and great speed. Comes from a good family.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

To say Dallas Cook deserved first team QB over Will Weyer because of stats is absurd! Cook was on a mediocre team fighting to keep his team in it,thus throwing a ton. If that's what you're looking for I'm sure Stafford and Romo are your two favorite NFL QBs and you must think that Jameis Winston surely didn't deserve the Heisman. In most games Weyer was pulled early in the second half, thus not padding his stats. He only threw four INTs all year. Cook had two games where he threw for four or more INTs. Butte's receivers should get a lot of the acclaim for Cook's accomplishments. Daum (please land him Griz) is amazing and as a whole the Butte receivers were the best in the state. I believe that Weyer will have a successful career for the Griz and Cook will never start a game at the FBS or FCS level at QB. I see him adding a couple lbs and being an athletic offensive lineman if he wants to.

Buttes recievers were/ are very good. Both Daum and Granger deserve a look. I disagree that Cooks accomplishments should be diminished in any way due the offense style. When you put up 400+ in the air and 150 or so on the ground week in and week out, well, yeah. He is a hell of a QB. As for him vs Weyer, weyer is a great prospect who benefitted from a superb team. Cook is a better B baller. Actually he's a lot better than any of the current Griz big guys, but that's not saying too much. I'm very happy to get Weyer, but Cook had a phenomenal HS career.

:clap:

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

I'm not taking anything away from Weyer. But to say it's not close? You are right, it's not.

What college is he signing with?

That's a good question Catsack. I heard he has academic "issues" so I would not be surprised if he goes JC. This gets back to my discussion with PTGriz about Weyer vs Cook. Yes Weyer is the better get for UM. No argument. If you look at everything it's clear as a college prospect right now Weyer is better. I'll still say this to PT: stats don't matter? Cook did more with less and shattered the record book. Both won a state AA championship. Weyer did it at a school with 500 more kids. Total bull to say Cook played 4 quarters every game. "Little" Cook (Dillon) played most 4 th quarters. Cook did what he did in only two seasons also.

He also had over 130 more passing attempts than the next person, and 176 more than Weyer. (And if this was done through only 3 quarters most games, it indicates just how much they threw the football). However, his completion percentages this year were very good.

As for doing more with less, he had one of the best receivers in the state (as did Weyer), and in 2012, had THE best line in the state. His other receivers in 2012 were very good also.

PASSING AVG/GAME Team Cl G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds TD Avg/G
-------------------------------------------------------------
1. Cook, Da....... BTE SR 10 410 271 10 66.1 3821 39 382.1
2. McChesney, B... GLA JR 10 260 157 15 60.4 2691 33 269.1
3. Weyer, W....... BOZ SR 10 234 142 4 60.7 2546 28 254.6
4. Arntson, T..... HHS SR 10 219 144 6 65.8 1906 18 190.6
5. Paffhausen, K.. MSN JR 10 246 147 9 59.8 1855 15 185.5
6. McLean, J...... CMR SR 10 235 130 5 55.3 1689 10 168.9
7. Zimmer, J...... BSR SR 10 278 165 9 59.4 1509 9 150.9
8. Preston, J..... MBS SR 10 226 112 11 49.6 1377 16 137.7
9. Larson, K...... CAP SR 10 169 90 11 53.3 1196 8 119.6
10.Schaff, G...... BSV SR 10 132 59 5 44.7 1194 10 119.4

Point/counterpoint. Yes in 2012 Cook had the best OL in the state, converse that with Cook having the most inexperienced line in 2013! (just 1 returning starter, out of 5) And he still had the greatest QB season in Montana History.

Whereas Bozeman was widely regarded as having the best OL in 2013. They returned all of them from their 2012 State Runner-Up accomplishment.

Funny how the trenches win state championships... :lol:

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

I'm not taking anything away from Weyer. But to say it's not close? You are right, it's not.

What college is he signing with?

That's a good question Catsack. I heard he has academic "issues" so I would not be surprised if he goes JC. This gets back to my discussion with PTGriz about Weyer vs Cook. Yes Weyer is the better get for UM. No argument. If you look at everything it's clear as a college prospect right now Weyer is better. I'll still say this to PT: stats don't matter? Cook did more with less and shattered the record book. Both won a state AA championship. Weyer did it at a school with 500 more kids. Total bull to say Cook played 4 quarters every game. "Little" Cook (Dillon) played most 4 th quarters. Cook did what he did in only two seasons also.

Not to mention Dallas played a little more than a half versus Bozeman, as he re-injured his foot in the 3rd qtr.

He also was pulled very early in a big win versus Billings West, may have taken 1 series after half-time.

Cook's stats would have been off the calculator had he played the whole regular season, and went deeper into the playoffs... :shock: Never to be even approached... :lol:

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Two more points...

Weyer was under center and had a fantastic running game (OL and RBs) that he could use, and run play-action passes off of that would keep the defense quessing on every snap, hitting wide-open WRs that read run when it was pass.

He would also hit Dissly on short to mid-range passes, and the Beast would break tackle after tackle enroute to a 70-90 pass TD. He did that on several occasions. Padding Weyers yardage. I recall one pass play to Dissly where the defender fell down at the completion and Disslly then ran alone for +70 yard TD.

It was no suprise Dissly had 900 from the TE postion, no one could (or wanted to) tackle him.

Whereas Cook was in shot-gun and the defense knew it was a pass. He didn't have the benefit of play-action. He still torched defenses. And yes Cook had good WRs...what flippin good QB doesn't? None!