If Vigen & his coaching staff were at Montana...

[CDAGRIZ]

Oh, and trust me - Garza is gone after the season or shortly thereafter unless there is a ruling showing he is innocent.

Gotta get him to coach 'em up until then, though. Hands are tied. :roll:
Pathetic.

 

[Ringneck]

...the last 2 years & Hauck & his staff were at MSU, what would their Won-Loss records be? Would the Griz be the dominant team that the Cats are now & would the Cats be the above average team that we are now?

Assuming the rosters remain the same, I would say there would be relatively few changes to the W-L records or program trajectories.
It's my opinion that MSU currently has more good players, and a lot of good players can sure make a coach look good, too.

 

[Htowngriz]

Oh, and trust me - Garza is gone after the season or shortly thereafter unless there is a ruling showing he is innocent.

Gotta get him to coach 'em up until then, though. Hands are tied. :roll:
Pathetic.

Playing doubles advocate here: if our legal system presumes people are innocent until proven guilty (or they plead guilty), why shouldn't a university do the same?

 

[SoldierGriz]

Hey now, leave em be and let em have their fun. It's all they have to glom onto now that MSU is heading to the semis while their .500 club is sitting home. Plus, anyone with half a brain knows that the university has specific rules with how to handle any legal issues. You cannot fire a coach or even suspend with pay until the facts are verified and there is a legal ruling. Too may lawsuits these days, and if these charges end up being bogus.... and Garza was wronged by his employer, boom. Most of them know this, but again - they're looking to stir the pot and have some fun! PR will probably back me up on this.

Tell me you don't actually believe this. You're telling me that there is nothing, NOTHING, an MSU assistant coach could be arrested for that could warrant termination or an indefinite suspension until the legal process is worked out? Nothing?

Is this a MT thing? The Texas coach who got arrested the other day was immediately suspended...

I just cannot imagine a situation where I would allow that dude to coach from the sidelines. I would have told him to call in sick or put him in the box without headphones.

Vegan is soft.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Gotta get him to coach 'em up until then, though. Hands are tied. :roll:
Pathetic.

Playing doubles advocate here: if our legal system presumes people are innocent until proven guilty (or they plead guilty), why shouldn't a university do the same?

A university absolutely should presume innocence. That's a separate issue. I'm not talking about legal penalties or even termination of employment.

 

[wbtfg]

Tell me you don't actually believe this. You're telling me that there is nothing, NOTHING, an MSU assistant coach could be arrested for that could warrant termination or an indefinite suspension until the legal process is worked out? Nothing?

Is this a MT thing? The Texas coach who got arrested the other day was immediately suspended...

I just cannot imagine a situation where I would allow that dude to coach from the sidelines. I would have told him to call in sick or put him in the box without headphones.

Vegan is soft.

The Texas bball coach was charged with a felony violent crime.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Tell me you don't actually believe this. You're telling me that there is nothing, NOTHING, an MSU assistant coach could be arrested for that could warrant termination or an indefinite suspension until the legal process is worked out? Nothing?

Is this a MT thing? The Texas coach who got arrested the other day was immediately suspended...

I just cannot imagine a situation where I would allow that dude to coach from the sidelines. I would have told him to call in sick or put him in the box without headphones.

Vegan is soft.

In a way, proving he is able to "legally" suspend him by suspending him one game (~4hrs) and then allowing him to come back like nothing happened makes it look even worse. Pretty much destroys the argument of all the Bobfans justifying it by saying MSU's hands must be tied contractually.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Is this a MT thing? The Texas coach who got arrested the other day was immediately suspended...

I just cannot imagine a situation where I would allow that dude to coach from the sidelines. I would have told him to call in sick or put him in the box without headphones.

Vegan is soft.

The Texas bball coach was charged with a felony violent crime.

"But do we know all the facts? Let him coach as usual until the legal process plays out."
-MSU Administration

 

[wbtfg]

The Texas bball coach was charged with a felony violent crime.

"But do we know all the facts? Let him coach as usual until the legal process plays out."
-MSU Administration

 

[CDAGRIZ]

"But do we know all the facts? Let him coach as usual until the legal process plays out."
-MSU Administration

[Judge Judy pic I didn't want to copy]

So:
Third DUI charge = Biz as usual. Let the process play out.
Felony assault charge = Justified indefinite suspension.

Is MSU's line right between those two, or are there more offenses in between? I guess MSU couldn't even suspend Beard indefinitely because *something something contract I trust admin no matter what* according to Bobfans. Only that's bullshit because Vigen/MSU already proved they could suspend DC if they wanted to by suspending him for the one game. They must not want to. That's the only logical explanation remaining.

 

[wbtfg]

[Judge Judy pic I didn't want to copy]

So:
Third DUI charge = Biz as usual. Let the process play out.
Felony assault charge = Justified indefinite suspension.

Is MSU's line right between those two, or are there more offenses in between? I guess MSU couldn't even suspend Beard indefinitely because *something something contract I trust admin no matter what* according to Bobfans. Only that's bullshit because Vigen/MSU already proved they could suspend DC if they wanted to by suspending him for the one game. They must not want to. That's the only logical explanation remaining.

I commend you on your active imagination and your ability to weave a narrative. It's quite a talent.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

So:
Third DUI charge = Biz as usual. Let the process play out.
Felony assault charge = Justified indefinite suspension.

Is MSU's line right between those two, or are there more offenses in between? I guess MSU couldn't even suspend Beard indefinitely because *something something contract I trust admin no matter what* according to Bobfans. Only that's bullshit because Vigen/MSU already proved they could suspend DC if they wanted to by suspending him for the one game. They must not want to. That's the only logical explanation remaining.

I commend you on your active imagination and your ability to weave a narrative. It's quite a talent.

Thanks. Just to recap:
3d DUI charge
Suspended one game, proving suspension is possible/"legal"
Bonfans say admin must not be able to suspend more for legal reasons
Bobfans trust admin

So, either (1) contract has a preposterous and unprecedented provision that caps suspensions for criminal charges at one game, or (2) admin thinks one game is sufficient for 3d DUI charge.

Does that cover it? Serious question.

 

[EverettGriz]

Gotta get him to coach 'em up until then, though. Hands are tied. :roll:
Pathetic.

Playing doubles advocate here: if our legal system presumes people are innocent until proven guilty (or they plead guilty), why shouldn't a university do the same?

Seriously?? Do we not incarcerate and limit the rights of those charged with crimes until their trials?? This is all we’re saying. I understand not firing the idiot now. But he should be suspended from ALL duties in the interim. Suspend him. Send him a check. Fire him when the BAC is returned.

To be honest, I'm astounded anyone is supportive of how msu admin has handled this, including the most-ardent cat supporters. If this guy was coaching at Montana after all of this, I'd cancel my season tickets, redirect all donations away from the athletic department, and text Kent exactly why I was doing so. Thankfully, I am quite confident this type of thing will never occur at UM.

 

[poorgriz]

So:
Third DUI charge = Biz as usual. Let the process play out.
Felony assault charge = Justified indefinite suspension.

Is MSU's line right between those two, or are there more offenses in between? I guess MSU couldn't even suspend Beard indefinitely because *something something contract I trust admin no matter what* according to Bobfans. Only that's bullshit because Vigen/MSU already proved they could suspend DC if they wanted to by suspending him for the one game. They must not want to. That's the only logical explanation remaining.

I commend you on your active imagination and your ability to weave a narrative. It's quite a talent.

Absolutely! So as long as we're playing hypotheticals here... let's say they suspend him for the rest of the season, or fire him, and then the facts come out and it was a crooked cop with an axe to grind that set him up and all the charges were bullshit? At that point Garza is suing the university for millions due to reputation damage or wrongful termination.

As an aside, of course I don't believe that to be true and I am on record saying I wanted him gone after this charge. What I do know is that Waded, Leon, and Brent know what they're doing. Even if any of them adopted the "win at all costs" attitude (This is CDAs schtick and we all know he doesn't really believe this - he's just ruffling feathers for fun :lol: ), they're sure not going to let something like this risk the monstrous momentum MSU has going right now. So point being, there's obviously more to the story, whether that means they're giving him until the end up the season... or making him wear the bracelet... or there is something wrong with the charges... who knows.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I commend you on your active imagination and your ability to weave a narrative. It's quite a talent.

Absolutely! So as long as we're playing hypotheticals here... let's say they suspend him for the rest of the season, or fire him, and then the facts come out and it was a crooked cop with an axe to grind that set him up and all the charges were bullshit? At that point Garza is suing the university for millions due to reputation damage or wrongful termination.

As an aside, of course I don't believe that to be true and I am on record saying I wanted him gone after this charge. What I do know is that Waded, Leon, and Brent know what they're doing. Even if any of them adopted the "win at all costs" attitude (This is CDAs schtick and we all know he doesn't really believe this - he's just ruffling feathers for fun :lol: ), they're sure not going to let something like this risk the monstrous momentum MSU has going right now. So point being, there's obviously more to the story, whether that means they're giving him until the end up the season... or making him wear the bracelet... or there is something wrong with the charges... who knows.

Damn, I love hypotheticals. But I don’t think I proposed one. Logical deduction, sure.

 

[catgrizfan]

Keeping Garza in as DC is punishment enough for the Cats...the defense hasn't exactly been lighting the world of fire this year. In all seriousness, if they are worried about getting sued, why not suspend him with pay until the litigation runs its course and then make a decision? As an MSU alum, I can say I was incredibly disappointed with the decision to let him come back to practice hours after painting the ER Wild Turkey brown. Take his priors out of the picture and I would still expect him to be gone. Driving under the influence is serious shit. Lucky no one was killed.

 

[garizzalies]

You cannot fire a coach or even suspend with pay until the facts are verified and there is a legal ruling.

Really? Really?!?

How did MSC get rid of the Honorable Rob Ash?

What legal ruling was there?

Oh wait, they were losing.

= win at all costs

 

[CDAGRIZ]

You cannot fire a coach or even suspend with pay until the facts are verified and there is a legal ruling.

Really? Really?!?

How did MSC get rid of the Honorable Rob Ash?

What legal ruling was there?

Oh wait, they were losing.

= win at all costs

Regardless of their thinking, given the completely justified actions they declined to take, that is 100% the message MSU has sent.

 

[garizzalies]

We all know you're big mad because the guy wears blue and not maroon. Im sure Bobcatnation would be big mad if the shoe was on the other foot.

you're still welcome to be big mad about it.

I’ve been asking this to every bubtroll:

Do you know a single bub fan who wants to keep the dc?

Not one? They all want him gone, right?

So it’s just a matter of when the winning ends?

= win at all costs.

I would be big disappointed if UM acted like this. You should be big embarrassed.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

We all know you're big mad because the guy wears blue and not maroon. Im sure Bobcatnation would be big mad if the shoe was on the other foot.

you're still welcome to be big mad about it.

I’ve been asking this to every bubtroll:

Do you know a single bub fan who wants to keep the dc?

Not one? They all want him gone, right?

So it’s just a matter of when the winning ends?

= win at all costs.

I would be big disappointed if UM acted like this. You should be big embarrassed.

Just as soon as this playoff run is over, he’s gone. Until then, MSU can do nothing further, but it isn’t win at all costs.

^^^They actually believe this. It’s like the South Park Scientology episode.