If I were NDSU...

[mikewphoto]

Superstitions aside, us talking on a fan forum about potential 3rd round matchups has no bearing on the outcome of second round games yet to be played.

 

[George Ferguson]

If their fans are trolling here, than maybe yes, their fans are worried about that game or weren't too happy about it if it happens. But those are FANS...I'm about 200 percent sure that the players are NOT worried about the Griz, and that's because they have a playoff game BEFORE that game would ever happen. IF anyone wants to prove me wrong and show me factual proof that the NDSU players are anymore worried about the Griz right now than the Griz players are about the Bizon, please, feel free to share that proof.

On another note, I know this trend can't continue IF the Griz get to Fargo, running into the line of scrimmage 15 to 20 times a game for no gains and -plays. With all due respect to the dude who is mad about Griz fans being on NDSU's dick, saying their base run defense is the best the Griz have seen by a LONG shot isn't being on NDSU's dick. It's A FACT.

 

[bandit218]

I don't think NDSU fans are nervous. I would say they are excited. These two teams have great history and with all of the could have beens the last two years we (NDSU and UM) are 3 weeks away from a historic game. I will say that Counts is a bruiser but I am extremely glad it's him and not Dan Moore.

 

[griz4life]

The stubborness of sticking with a stalled run game isn't a one game or two game thing with Montana. It's an every game thing. Go back and look at the NAU game, the Poly game, the MSU game. When defenders repeatedly get on the gap side shoulders of Montana o-line and shut things down, the Griz are slow to to change course.
I don't know why and neither do any of you. I know Gragg has stated that he supplies Hynson with suggested run plays ahead of the game. Maybe Hynson's role, when it comes to running plays, is to defer to what Gragg has scripted and not make adjustments. The adjustments seem to come at halftime after the co-coordinators have met, which may be one of the few times they speak at length during the game. Gragg doesn't spend a lot of time on the headphones during the game. He spends a lot of time observing and taking notes.
It hasn't been easy watching the team repeatedly go three downs and a cloud of rubber pellets for nearly two quarters, but it hasn't cost the Griz much. The team is 10-2.

 

[grizophile]

How many games have the Griz come out swinging on? First half of the Weber game and MSU games were horrid. This staff made adjustments in both games and the Griz got convincing wins. The same lackluster performance against NDSU would be disastrous. This team needs to figure out how to score early and often. The D is doing a good job and they have made steady improvements. Kudos to the secondary in particular. The Griz definitely have a chance against NDSU, but they better get the offensive play calling figured out ASAP. Ground and pound for two quarters will not get it done.

I have no confidence in an offensive scheme that takes at least 2 quarters to get in any kind of sync......predictable establish the run bullshit. Also, a healthy Van may be the man but looks tenative to me. John Nygen needs to get more snaps imho. Better not hang Jordy out to dry with these guys or he will get hammered. Just my 3 cents

 

[stubbins]

The stubborness of sticking with a stalled run game isn't a one game or two game thing with Montana. It's an every game thing. Go back and look at the NAU game, the Poly game, the MSU game. When defenders repeatedly get on the gap side shoulders of Montana o-line and shut things down, the Griz are slow to to change course.
I don't know why and neither do any of you. I know Gragg has stated that he supplies Hynson with suggested run plays ahead of the game. Maybe Hynson's role, when it comes to running plays, is to defer to what Gragg has scripted and not make adjustments. The adjustments seem to come at halftime after the co-coordinators have met, which may be one of the few times they speak at length during the game. Gragg doesn't spend a lot of time on the headphones during the game. He spends a lot of time observing and taking notes.
It hasn't been easy watching the team repeatedly go three downs and a cloud of rubber pellets for nearly two quarters, but it hasn't cost the Griz much. The team is 10-2.

Two quarters of ineptitude against the bison....ball game, fat lady sings, turn out the lights the party's over.

 

[bison]

Remember that each game is different for so many reasons that it's hard to guess what can happen. With a team like ours that can throw up a lot of points in a hurry you just never know. They should have lost to UNI earlier, and the guys from Kansas should have won the opening game as well. I know they can be beaten as long as we don't show up for the game already beaten. If we can keep it close we have as good a chance as anyone does.

You mean that KSU game where NDSU had 60 more yards of offense, 12 more minutes of TOP, had fewer turnovers (1 to 2) than KSU, had 8 more 3rd down conversions than KSU, more total first downs than KSU and fewer penalties AND did that playing in front of 58k KSU fans at their place? Ya you are right KSU should have won that game.

I watched two teams play that night. The better team won. Frankly it wasn't even close. Look above and the stats do not lie.

NDSU does one thing better than any FCS team. They line up and run the ball. Then they run it more. Then they run it and break your back. Wanna stack 8 in the box? Great we will run it more. If push comes to shove, we have a QB who by the way also threw 26 TD's this year and has won 4 FBS games and has won more FCS games than any QB.

 

[kemajic]

They're on par with the Wisconsins of the world in my opinion.

They are good, but that is stretching too far.

 

[mikewphoto]

You mean that KSU game where NDSU had 60 more yards of offense, 12 more minutes of TOP, had fewer turnovers (1 to 2) than KSU, had 8 more 3rd down conversions than KSU, more total first downs than KSU and fewer penalties AND did that playing in front of 58k KSU fans at their place? Ya you are right KSU should have won that game.

I watched two teams play that night. The better team won. Frankly it wasn't even close. Look above and the stats do not lie.

NDSU does one thing better than any FCS team. They line up and run the ball. Then they run it more. Then they run it and break your back. Wanna stack 8 in the box? Great we will run it more. If push comes to shove, we have a QB who by the way also threw 26 TD's this year and has won 4 FBS games and has won more FCS games than any QB.

I also remember that until that final drive that created the statistical difference to which you refer, NDSU was trailing as they had most of the game.

 

[Copper Griz]

How many games have the Griz come out swinging on? First half of the Weber game and MSU games were horrid. This staff made adjustments in both games and the Griz got convincing wins. The same lackluster performance against NDSU would be disastrous. This team needs to figure out how to score early and often. The D is doing a good job and they have made steady improvements. Kudos to the secondary in particular. The Griz definitely have a chance against NDSU, but they better get the offensive play calling figured out ASAP. Ground and pound for two quarters will not get it done.

I have no confidence in an offensive scheme that takes at least 2 quarters to get in any kind of sync......predictable establish the run bullshit. Also, a healthy Van may be the man but looks tenative to me. John Nygen needs to get more snaps imho. Better not hang Jordy out to dry with these guys or he will get hammered. Just my 3 cents

I love Van in the open field, but he is like a rag doll when getting tackled. I watched him twice against the Cats get stopped and dragged backward - where another back would likely have powered forward for a couple more yards. JN runs damn hard for his size and is not afraid to lower his shoulder. Actually unbelievable how many different and quality backs we have. I would love to see Van used more in the passing game or on screens. He could be deadly with his quicks. Would be nice if Kirschner is healthy also. I completely agree the establish the run bullshit is not effective - regardless all of our talented backs. Others on the board seem to echo these sentiments. Obviously none of us have ever played the game. Hopefully the coaches act like it is halftime before the game starts and they make the appropriate adjustments prior to kickoff. I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume this is going to happen.

 

[Fahque]

How many games have the Griz come out swinging on? First half of the Weber game and MSU games were horrid. This staff made adjustments in both games and the Griz got convincing wins. The same lackluster performance against NDSU would be disastrous. This team needs to figure out how to score early and often. The D is doing a good job and they have made steady improvements. Kudos to the secondary in particular. The Griz definitely have a chance against NDSU, but they better get the offensive play calling figured out ASAP. Ground and pound for two quarters will not get it done.

I have no confidence in an offensive scheme that takes at least 2 quarters to get in any kind of sync......predictable establish the run bullshit. Also, a healthy Van may be the man but looks tenative to me. John Nygen needs to get more snaps imho. Better not hang Jordy out to dry with these guys or he will get hammered. Just my 3 cents

I love Van in the open field, but he is like a rag doll when getting tackled. I watched him twice against the Cats get stopped and dragged backward - where another back would likely have powered forward for a couple more yards. JN runs damn hard for his size and is not afraid to lower his shoulder. Actually unbelievable how many different and quality backs we have. I would love to see Van used more in the passing game or on screens. He could be deadly with his quicks. Would be nice if Kirschner is healthy also. I completely agree the establish the run bullshit is not effective - regardless all of our talented backs. Others on the board seem to echo these sentiments. Obviously none of us have ever played the game. Hopefully the coaches act like it is halftime before the game starts and they make the appropriate adjustments prior to kickoff. I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume this is going to happen.

Kirschner doesn't play for the Griz anymore. Perhaps you mean Counts?

 

[AZGrizFan]

How many games have the Griz come out swinging on? First half of the Weber game and MSU games were horrid. This staff made adjustments in both games and the Griz got convincing wins. The same lackluster performance against NDSU would be disastrous. This team needs to figure out how to score early and often. The D is doing a good job and they have made steady improvements. Kudos to the secondary in particular. The Griz definitely have a chance against NDSU, but they better get the offensive play calling figured out ASAP. Ground and pound for two quarters will not get it done.

I have no confidence in an offensive scheme that takes at least 2 quarters to get in any kind of sync......predictable establish the run bullshit. Also, a healthy Van may be the man but looks tenative to me. John Nygen needs to get more snaps imho. Better not hang Jordy out to dry with these guys or he will get hammered. Just my 3 cents

I love Van in the open field, but he is like a rag doll when getting tackled. I watched him twice against the Cats get stopped and dragged backward - where another back would likely have powered forward for a couple more yards. JN runs damn hard for his size and is not afraid to lower his shoulder. Actually unbelievable how many different and quality backs we have. I would love to see Van used more in the passing game or on screens. He could be deadly with his quicks. Would be nice if Kirschner is healthy also. I completely agree the establish the run bullshit is not effective - regardless all of our talented backs. Others on the board seem to echo these sentiments. Obviously none of us have ever played the game. Hopefully the coaches act like it is halftime before the game starts and they make the appropriate adjustments prior to kickoff. I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume this is going to happen.

Not to unnecessarily hammer you, but for the 10,000th time, Kirschner left the team before fall drills began. He is not on this team and hasn't been all season.

 

[Bison fan in NW MN]

If both teams can win their 1st game then this one will be a good one.

IMO, in order for U of M to win they need to take the Bison out of their comfort zone. What I mean is that they need to disguise when they blitz. NDSU loves to run, if the Griz can put them into 2nd and 3rd and long then they have a good chance of controlling the game. Send a corner blitz or weak side LB blitz when NDSU runs their long developing off tackle runs. Now doing this is tough; the Bison O-line is very good.

Play the field position game also. That is one thing the Bison do really well is field position with their great punter. Griz need to do the same thing....make the Bison march the whole field to score. Keep the game close and make it one series at a time. Every guy needs to do his job.

JJ needs to have a very good game. If nothing is there then take off and run the ball to move the chains. The Bison rotate 10-11 guys on the D-Line, so they are fresh for the whole game. The front 7 for the Bison are strong and athletic. Mix in the run with play action pass. USD tried over and over for the home run ball but it didn't work. Keep it simple. Run/pass mix and NO turnovers.

Yes, the Griz can win this game. They need to play a very good one to do it.

The Bison are tough and will be up for the challenge.... :thumb:

 

[bison]

You mean that KSU game where NDSU had 60 more yards of offense, 12 more minutes of TOP, had fewer turnovers (1 to 2) than KSU, had 8 more 3rd down conversions than KSU, more total first downs than KSU and fewer penalties AND did that playing in front of 58k KSU fans at their place? Ya you are right KSU should have won that game.

I watched two teams play that night. The better team won. Frankly it wasn't even close. Look above and the stats do not lie.

NDSU does one thing better than any FCS team. They line up and run the ball. Then they run it more. Then they run it and break your back. Wanna stack 8 in the box? Great we will run it more. If push comes to shove, we have a QB who by the way also threw 26 TD's this year and has won 4 FBS games and has won more FCS games than any QB.

I also remember that until that final drive that created the statistical difference to which you refer, NDSU was trailing as they had most of the game.

I was physically at that game. NDSU wad ahead 7-0 at the end of the first. KSU scored with about 10 left in the second and it was tied 7-7 at the end of the half. Back and fourth in the third and KSU had a 4 point lead after 3. Up until that final drive, yards were even, but NDSU still was leading that game everywhere else it counted but were down by 4. KSU scored two huge TD's on broken pass coverage. Besides that, NDSU physically controlled a BCS team on both sides of the ball, and eventually wore them down. Everyone at that game or with any insight into the game of football saw it that way.

The game of football is 4 quarters long. You have to play a game of football for 4 quarters. NDSU brings it for four quarters every single game. This is how we win games. Sometimes we win sluggfests 14-7. Sometimes we beat USD 40-0. Point is that we ALWAYS play 4 quarters of football and over the course of 3 full seasons and 2 playoff runs, have won 39 out of 41 games played and are 3-0 against FBS teams, 2 of which are from BCS conferences. You can say all the shoulda lost crap that you want.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

If both teams can win their 1st game then this one will be a good one.

IMO, in order for U of M to win they need to take the Bison out of their comfort zone. What I mean is that they need to disguise when they blitz. NDSU loves to run, if the Griz can put them into 2nd and 3rd and long then they have a good chance of controlling the game. Send a corner blitz or weak side LB blitz when NDSU runs their long developing off tackle runs. Now doing this is tough; the Bison O-line is very good.

Play the field position game also. That is one thing the Bison do really well is field position with their great punter. Griz need to do the same thing....make the Bison march the whole field to score. Keep the game close and make it one series at a time. Every guy needs to do his job.

JJ needs to have a very good game. If nothing is there then take off and run the ball to move the chains. The Bison rotate 10-11 guys on the D-Line, so they are fresh for the whole game. The front 7 for the Bison are strong and athletic. Mix in the run with play action pass. USD tried over and over for the home run ball but it didn't work. Keep it simple. Run/pass mix and NO turnovers.

Yes, the Griz can win this game. They need to play a very good one to do it.

The Bison are tough and will be up for the challenge.... :thumb:

If this game ever happens, the Griz will have to play "mistake/ turnover free " football to have any kind of chance IMO.

 

[cody45051]

I love our enthusiasm but we will get dominated. It'll still be fun to watch us play the best.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

If I were NDSU, I would be worried about the fact that I transformed from a person to a University. It would be weird.

 

[griz4life]

NDSU does one thing better than any FCS team. They line up and run the ball. Then they run it more. Then they run it and break your back. Wanna stack 8 in the box? Great we will run it more. If push comes to shove, we have a QB who by the way also threw 26 TD's this year and has won 4 FBS games and has won more FCS games than any QB.

Sorry to ruin your stiffy, bison, but NDSU does not run the ball better than everyone in FCS. Ten teams run the ball better than NDSU. Two of them the Griz have already played and defeated.
Who gives a shit if your QB has 26 passing touchdowns. Do you know how average that is? Are you really an NDSU fan or one of our own trolls trying to attract attention to yourself?

 

[argh!]

weeeeee!

 

[bison]

NDSU does one thing better than any FCS team. They line up and run the ball. Then they run it more. Then they run it and break your back. Wanna stack 8 in the box? Great we will run it more. If push comes to shove, we have a QB who by the way also threw 26 TD's this year and has won 4 FBS games and has won more FCS games than any QB.

Sorry to ruin your stiffy, bison, but NDSU does not run the ball better than everyone in FCS. Ten teams run the ball better than NDSU. Two of them the Griz have already played and defeated.
Who gives a shit if your QB has 26 passing touchdowns. Do you know how average that is? Are you really an NDSU fan or one of our own trolls trying to attract attention to yourself?

There are 120 FCS teams. 9 players have more TD passes than Jensen. 3 players have a higher efficiency. 0 QB's have more wins. 0 QB's have more championships.

Ya he is average.