I wonder if Mick reads the paper in the morning?

[zirge]

strategies may not be the best way to put it as we seem to be so predictable on offense and somewhat fragile on giving jj protection to make the best judgement to make the best passing option (hence, relying of jamal to make circus catches in double coverage too many times during a game)........so possibly our best approach would be to do as many on here have suggested and play the underneath game to set up the jj option plays. these do not make up for large junks of yardage but they could possibly move the ball and give us more 2nd and 3rd down short yardage plays that can make it more feasible to attain.
this could hopefully open up more effective one on one long ball pass plays to janssen, burke, jamal and van.

 

[George Ferguson]

My question is, why would Mick need to ready the Missoulian to know about this? He was sitting about four inches to the left of Mitch when he said it at the Tuesday presser.

 

[PlayerRep]

My question is, why would Mick need to ready the Missoulian to know about this? He was sitting about four inches to the left of Mitch when he said it at the Tuesday presser.

Wasn't Saylor talking about the team's, i.e. players, inattention to details, i.e. making mistakes. His quote had nothing to do with coaching.

 

[George Ferguson]

No, you're right PR. I was just referring to the OP. Mick doesn't need to read something that was in the paper when it was said right in front of him.

 

[PlayerRep]

I would pay good money to see any of the MD haters on this board tell MD to his face how he should be coaching the team. Extra if you tried to do it in technical football terms.

Whoa, hope you're not referring to me as a "Delaney hater." I think the problems this season have way more to do with injuries and academic problems on the offensive line than anything else. But at 6-4 and struggling to make the playoffs, even Mick would admit we have problems. So, for those of you who are "criticizing all criticism," what are your suggestions for solving the problems, whether it's in technical football terms or "pedestrian fan" terminology? What strategies would you use? What would give us the best chance to win?

I would heal 3 receivers, 1 right tackle, 1 left tackle, 1 big back and 1 punter; give all A's to a left tackle; and talk a TE into coming back to the team. I would ask the team, especially the offense, to play out of the minds, and bodies, the next 2 weeks. I would ask bad fans to stop complaining.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Doing nothing differently is certainly an option.

 

[PlayerRep]

Doing nothing differently is certainly an option.

Maybe executing on the details better, as Saylor said, would be the best option. Ever thought about executing better and making fewer mistakes? Making the same dumb comments and posts sure doesn't help things, in my view.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I would pay good money to see any of the MD haters on this board tell MD to his face how he should be coaching the team. Extra if you tried to do it in technical football terms.

Whoa, hope you're not referring to me as a "Delaney hater." I think the problems this season have way more to do with injuries and academic problems on the offensive line than anything else. But at 6-4 and struggling to make the playoffs, even Mick would admit we have problems. So, for those of you who are "criticizing all criticism," what are your suggestions for solving the problems, whether it's in technical football terms or "pedestrian fan" terminology? What strategies would you use? What would give us the best chance to win?

I would heal 3 receivers, 1 right tackle, 1 left tackle, 1 big back and 1 punter; give all A's to a left tackle; and talk a TE into coming back to the team. I would ask the team, especially the offense, to play out of the minds, and bodies, the next 2 weeks. I would ask bad fans to stop complaining.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :clap:

I chuckled at that one...

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Maybe executing on the details better, as Saylor said, would be the best option. Ever thought about executing better and making fewer mistakes? Making the same dumb comments and posts sure doesn't help things, in my view.

Actually, arguing that "lack of execution" is to blame for our four losses (thus far) is a completely valid argument, whether I agree with it or not.

You see, unlike you, I can admit that other people have valid arguments, even if I don't agree with them.

 

[PlayerRep]

Maybe executing on the details better, as Saylor said, would be the best option. Ever thought about executing better and making fewer mistakes? Making the same dumb comments and posts sure doesn't help things, in my view.

Actually, arguing that "lack of execution" is to blame for our four losses (thus far) is a completely valid argument, whether I agree with it or not.

You see, unlike you, I can admit that other people have valid arguments, even if I don't agree with them.

I too admit people have valid arguments, if in fact they do have valid arguments. However, if they are not valid, or I don't think they are valid, or I disagree, I sometimes speak up. In the case of the EWU game, it seems very implausible that the main problem was scheme or coaching. Coaches don't coach to give up 4 long pass TD or punt returns (the first of the season). Coaches don't coach to throw interceptions, or have drops, or have inopportune penalties. The offense came out throwing in the first drive, so it wasn't run run. The runs on the second drive were successful, at least at the start of the drive. That doesn't mean that the coaching or schemes were perfect either.

By the way, the big "drop" by UM in the endzone was in fact a tipped ball. The tip was noticeable on the tape. Tipped several feet in front of the receiver. That's why it looked like such a horrible drop.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Maybe executing on the details better, as Saylor said, would be the best option. Ever thought about executing better and making fewer mistakes? Making the same dumb comments and posts sure doesn't help things, in my view.

Actually, arguing that "lack of execution" is to blame for our four losses (thus far) is a completely valid argument, whether I agree with it or not.

You see, unlike you, I can admit that other people have valid arguments, even if I don't agree with them.

Where it gets gray, however, is the WHY there's a lack of execution. Is it talent? Or is it inability to coach up? And in reality, both of those are coaching issues...

 

[PlayerRep]

Maybe executing on the details better, as Saylor said, would be the best option. Ever thought about executing better and making fewer mistakes? Making the same dumb comments and posts sure doesn't help things, in my view.

Actually, arguing that "lack of execution" is to blame for our four losses (thus far) is a completely valid argument, whether I agree with it or not.

You see, unlike you, I can admit that other people have valid arguments, even if I don't agree with them.

Where it gets gray, however, is the WHY there's a lack of execution. Is it talent? Or is it inability to coach up? And in reality, both of those are coaching issues...

Talent level is something else. I suppose lack of experience on the o-line leads to more lack of execution. Don't know the talent level of the guys playing the o-line. There don't seem to be any NFL guys there this year. The team seems to execute well much of the time or often, so not sure how much coaching impacts that. The coaches seemed to coach fine last year. Don't think getting beat on deep passes is usually a coaching problem. In EWU game, it seemed that speedy and athletic receivers caught some very well-thrown balls. I find it interesting that so many people want to blame coaches. I know coaches are not perfect but at this level of college and above. I think most coaches are very good.

 

[tnt]

The original question being does he read the paper in the morning. The answer is, he used to for sure. I had him for first period at GFHS back in the 60's. Read it every morning during class.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

Coaching. Coaching. Coaching.

Every dropped ball, every missed tackle, every missed block, is due to poor coaching or poor Player execution. Go ahead and spin it to suit your individual viewpoint. :|

Vince Lombardi closed his career with a loss, and his Redskins finished the season with a record of 7-5-2. Do you think he forgot how to coach in 1968 ? I wonder if Vince Lombardi read the Washington Post every morning in 1969 ? :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Washington_Redskins_season" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[AZGrizFan]

Maybe executing on the details better, as Saylor said, would be the best option. Ever thought about executing better and making fewer mistakes? Making the same dumb comments and posts sure doesn't help things, in my view.

Actually, arguing that "lack of execution" is to blame for our four losses (thus far) is a completely valid argument, whether I agree with it or not.

You see, unlike you, I can admit that other people have valid arguments, even if I don't agree with them.

Where it gets gray, however, is the WHY there's a lack of execution. Is it talent? Or is it inability to coach up? And in reality, both of those are coaching issues...

Talent level is something else. I suppose lack of experience on the o-line leads to more lack of execution. Don't know the talent level of the guys playing the o-line. There don't seem to be any NFL guys there this year. The team seems to execute well much of the time or often, so not sure how much coaching impacts that. The coaches seemed to coach fine last year. Don't think getting beat on deep passes is usually a coaching problem. In EWU game, it seemed that speedy and athletic receivers caught some very well-thrown balls. I find it interesting that so many people want to blame coaches. I know coaches are not perfect but at this level of college and above. I think most coaches are very good.

well, we may have to agree to disagree. Bad angles, poor tackling, routinely biting on pump fakes, etc., etc. all seem like coachable issues to me...especially when they keep happening, with very little improvement. Can't fault things like the receiver making a circus catch with Gamboa draped all over him, but there are plenty of examples in the EWU game alone where it seems coaching left a little to be desired.

 

[garizzalies]

In the case of the EWU game, it seems very implausible that the main problem was scheme or coaching. Coaches don't coach to give up 4 long pass TD or punt returns (the first of the season). Coaches don't coach to throw interceptions, or have drops, or have inopportune penalties.

But the coaches did have "inopportune penalties." The coaches may not have been the "main problem" but it is "very []plausible" they contributed to the loss. MD even admitted as much on his tv show. Coaches are responsible for getting the play in on time to avoid delay of game penalties, managing the clock and time outs....things Mick admitted he screwed up. I also think the coaches screwed up the overall management of the game with the score before halftime, that horrible 2-pt conversion call, and the laughable FG attempt that resulted in a 4th-and-a-mile. I also think they contributed to one of the "long pass TD" as it was the same scheme/problem as a long TD the year before.

One thing that has driven me nuts with this staff for three years now is that they NEVER seem to have a play call ready in advance. In other words, they seem to not be able to plan 2-3 plays ahead or even have a play ready following a failed play, timeout, etc. The EW game was a perfect example of that. They also don't seem to ever run a quick snap play (which can be called during the prior huddle and prevent substitution). Nor do they seem to set up good plays (e.g., Pflu seemed to be good at setting up plays. A defense would see the bubble screen a few times, cheat up, and he'd hit them with a pump-n-go.). I speculate that this kind of discombobulation can be somewhat attributed to a HC that defers to 2 OCs.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I speculate that this kind of discombobulation can be somewhat attributed to a HC that defers to 2 OCs.

Well, we can't have it both ways, people, so which is it? Are the OC's handcuffed and being forced to run Mick's 1960's offense, or is mick a HC that defers to his 2 OC's and they're not equipped to handle the responsibility?

 

[bigkid]

I speculate that this kind of discombobulation can be somewhat attributed to a HC that defers to 2 OCs.

Well, we can't have it both ways, people, so which is it? Are the OC's handcuffed and being forced to run Mick's 1960's offense, or is mick a HC that defers to his 2 OC's and they're not equipped to handle the responsibility?

The former...

 

[AllWeatherFan]

So you're saying the coaches didn't execute?

 

[Grizzlies1982]

Coaching. Coaching. Coaching.

Every dropped ball, every missed tackle, every missed block, is due to poor coaching or poor Player execution. Go ahead and spin it to suit your individual viewpoint. :|

Vince Lombardi closed his career with a loss, and his Redskins finished the season with a record of 7-5-2. Do you think he forgot how to coach in 1968 ? I wonder if Vince Lombardi read the Washington Post every morning in 1969 ? :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Washington_Redskins_season" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Excellent point. Clearly it is a case of older coaches getting dementia. Happened to Lombardi, who forgot how to coach and how to read the newspaper, and now we're seeing...
:ugeek: