I met with President Royce Engstrom

[justanotherfan]

Everyone needs to keep the pressure on. This is not about a football program. This is about an incompetent president in a role that is way over his head.

Had there been numerous sexual assaults that were not properly investigated or covered up, he would have been correct. But that did not happen. All of this turbulence has been caused by succumbing to pressures from a faction and jumping to unsupported conclusions that have tarnished the reputation and image of the University of Montana.

Quoting the Peter Principle, "In a hierarchy, every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence". That has CLEARLY and sadly happened in Missoula.

 

[go4two]

Everyone needs to keep the pressure on. This is not about a football program. This is about an incompetent president in a role that is way over his head.

Had there been numerous sexual assaults that were not properly investigated or covered up, he would have been correct. But that did not happen. All of this turbulence has been caused by succumbing to pressures from a faction and jumping to unsupported conclusions that have tarnished the reputation and image of the University of Montana.

Quoting the Peter Principle, "In a hierarchy, every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence". That has CLEARLY and sadly happened in Missoula.

+1 :clap:

 

[GrizFan2011]

Overall the replies given by Royce to Native really strike me as answers coming from someone who is not fully informed/aware on many issues surrounding athletics. I'm really surprised by what appears to be the overall lack of concern and unwillingness to fully figure out what's going on by Engstrom. As I said in my first reply here, I'd say I'm shocked... but nothing regarding this shocks me anymore.

sigh...

Bingo. I agree 100%. Everyone makes mistakes and the people that acknowledge that have the best chance to improve. RE never acknowledge he made a mistake nor did he have any regrets. How can there be all these serious problems going on if he hadnt made at least one mistake.

AMEN to that. Engstrom thinks he was 100% correct in all of his decisions? Amazing that he thinks that, but not surprising. Everything is just fine in Grizville. Oh boy.

 

[GrizRanger]

Engstrom's respones are the epitome of ignorance and arrogance, which is no surprise. UM will seriously flounder with him in charge.

 

[IdaGriz01]

Since I have not met RE (and do not expect to), I can only go by his actions and public statements ... and those do not impress. At first, I put it down to his lack of experience in running anything really big. But an executive does not get better without acknowledging mistakes -- in substance or impressions given -- and learning from them. Not saying the prez must do a public mea culpa, but his/her follow-up actions should show some evidence of introspection, self-analysis, and course correction based on learning from experience. This is not happening.

Here's a fairly typical "job description" for a university president (taken from higher-education web site): "A college president is likely to spend a good bit of his time and efforts on development [that is, trolling for money] and public relations activities. These kind of public-facing responsibilities are the most important part [my emphasis] of a president's duties in larger colleges, as fund-raising for endowments is essential at many institutions."
Of course, what gets posted on eGriz is -- realistically -- biased against RE, but there are other sources. None of his public statement come across as someone who has a viable plan to improve UM (not just athletics) -- certainly nothing that would induce me to make a big donation. (Assuming we had the dough, which we don't )

 

[NativeGriz]

This morning I was informed from a source I trust and believe to be very credible that: Pat Williams had less to do with all of this then indicated in these post, though they also added, Pat Williams is anti athletics which I knew and am disappointed he is a BOR member with that attitude.

 

[ranco]

This morning I was informed from a source I trust and believe to be very credible that: Pat Williams had less to do with all of this then indicated in these post, though they also added, Pat Williams is anti athletics which I knew and am disappointed he is a BOR member with that attitude.

Hopefully you are right and Williams had, and will have, little influence on these types of decisions. He may be the dumbest person in Montana. Definitely top 5. His anti-athletics goes hand in hand with his anti-intellect

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Mods, please rename this the "Nut Job Conspiracy and Hyberbole" Thread. Thank you.

 

[go4two]

This morning I was informed from a source I trust and believe to be very credible that: Pat Williams had less to do with all of this then indicated in these post, though they also added, Pat Williams is anti athletics which I knew and am disappointed he is a BOR member with that attitude.

If your source is not someone with close ties to O'day, then I wouldn't put too much faith in what they've told you.

From my sources close to O'day, they say Pat Williams was heavily involved. Do you really think a new President would make such a rogue decision by himself? Hopefully, this will all be public soon.

 

[NativeGriz]

Mods, please rename this the "Nut Job Conspiracy and Hyberbole" Thread. Thank you.

What part? I have tried very hard to present facts, but I agree I may have trusted one source or another a little too much. I am making corrections as I hear them. If I am proven wrong I will admit it publically. Pat Williams was involved, repeat he was involved, but not to the level some of us have portrayed him. As for future information, I do have more, but I am taking more time to prove correct and in one case I am waiting for that person's approval to share. If RE is innocent in all, I will be the first to say so and publically apologize. I will do it on the main hall steps.

AWF, you don't have to believe everything, but don't bury your head in the sand and think we are in good hands. There are just too many facts suggesting he is in over his head and even if you were to have a personal relationship with RE, you need to be concerned.

 

[PlayerRep]

This morning I was informed from a source I trust and believe to be very credible that: Pat Williams had less to do with all of this then indicated in these post, though they also added, Pat Williams is anti athletics which I knew and am disappointed he is a BOR member with that attitude.

If your source is not someone with close ties to O'day, then I wouldn't put too much faith in what they've told you.

From my sources close to O'day, they say Pat Williams was heavily involved. Do you really think a new President would make such a rogue decision by himself? Hopefully, this will all be public soon.

I agree with you. Everyone I've talked to says Williams was quite involved, and put pressure on Engstrom.

 

[Silvertip]

Back in May I visited over breakfast at Gamer's in Butte with a former state legislator who affirmed that Pat Williams indeed had his hands all over RE's decision to fire O'Day and Pflu - the firing did not originate from a grassy knoll as some naysaying protectors would like to parody.

 

[bigkid]

Why doesn't someone e-mail him and ask if in fact he encouraged RE to fire Plugrad and O'Day?

 

[Spanky]

Does anyone really think Engstrom made the decision on his own? Come on, boys, get with the program.

 

[tnt]

More critical to the future at the University is the expansion of the PhD, programs (especially in the health Sciences) Follow that and follow the support of the faculty (and their joy at the removal of Jim Foley) the new communications director appointment, ask anyone on the AD selection committee why out of 60 applicants kent rose to the top, follow the progress of the grant process, and you will quickly understand why the sniveling of a bunch of boosters is falling on deaf ears.

The residencey program will provide over 3.7 million in direct benefits not to mention millions more in healthcare (some 50+ jobs @ 70,000+ each at no cost to the university)

There is a lot not being said, but quick settlements with the "fired" should be a clue..........

RE will be around for quite a spell.

 

[bigkid]

by tnt » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:04 pm
More critical to the future at the University is the expansion of the PhD, programs (especially in the health Sciences) Follow that and follow the support of the faculty (and their joy at the removal of Jim Foley) the new communications director appointment, ask anyone on the AD selection committee why out of 60 applicants kent rose to the top, follow the progress of the grant process, and you will quickly understand why the sniveling of a bunch of boosters is falling on deaf ears.

The residencey program will provide over 3.7 million in direct benefits not to mention millions more in healthcare (some 50+ jobs @ 70,000+ each at no cost to the university)

There is a lot not being said, but quick settlements with the "fired" should be a clue..........

RE will be around for quite a spell.

Since this is a football message board please explain how this affects the football team. :?

 

[tnt]

by tnt » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:04 pm
More critical to the future at the University is the expansion of the PhD, programs (especially in the health Sciences) Follow that and follow the support of the faculty (and their joy at the removal of Jim Foley) the new communications director appointment, ask anyone on the AD selection committee why out of 60 applicants kent rose to the top, follow the progress of the grant process, and you will quickly understand why the sniveling of a bunch of boosters is falling on deaf ears.

The residencey program will provide over 3.7 million in direct benefits not to mention millions more in healthcare (some 50+ jobs @ 70,000+ each at no cost to the university)

There is a lot not being said, but quick settlements with the "fired" should be a clue..........

RE will be around for quite a spell.

Since this is a football message board please explain how this affects the football team. :?

Guess it depends on how much effect believe RE has on the football program or believe he and Pat Williams are in a joint conspiracey to dismantle the sports program at U of M, but some knight in shining armor will eliminate RE replacing him with a more pro football president.

If you believe a losing season or even several will lead to his being replaced like a losing coach, you will be disappointed.

 

['68griz]

Guess it depends on how much effect believe RE has on the football program or believe he and Pat Williams are in a joint conspiracey to dismantle the sports program at U of M, but some knight in shining armor will eliminate RE replacing him with a more pro football president.

If you believe a losing season or even several will lead to his being replaced like a losing coach, you will be disappointed.

And only when the cash-cow football program has been obliterated -- and people start to wonder what happened to all that money that was used for most everything BUT athletics -- will people realize it's "too late" to save it. That's truly my fear....

 

[bigkid]

Guess it depends on how much effect believe RE has on the football program or believe he and Pat Williams are in a joint conspiracey to dismantle the sports program at U of M, but some knight in shining armor will eliminate RE replacing him with a more pro football president.

If you believe a losing season or even several will lead to his being replaced like a losing coach, you will be disappointed.

So the big questions seems to be is RE trying to purposely ruin the football program? Wouldn't it seem within reason to publically hold a "state of the football program" address and discuss his stand on the program? Maybe even reach out to "friends of UM" and seek input. I'm confused on what RE would be gaining by dismantling the program. A program that exists from coast to coast and is a part of almost every university. IMO the football program is an integral part of the university and helps revenue recognition by leaps and bounds. Seems like a discussion of intent is necessary. If he in fact has no intent on jeopordizing the program than just say so.

 

[Spanky]

tnt....are you suggesting that Haslam is in agreement with Engstrom regarding a possible de-emphasis of the football program? Also, please explain your comment about sniveling boosters. Finally, since you don't seem to be interested in UM athletics, why do you visit this site?