Hurry-Up Offense Will Gas Our O-Line

[grizcountry420]

Get this Mercedes back on the road again!

I thought it was a Cadillac?

Am not into Detroit iron. I prefer quality

Gotcha.. Mercedes is far from quality. If it was anything close to quality, then why would you pay 150k plus for a benz and 5 years later its work 15k?

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Get this Mercedes back on the road again!

I thought it was a Cadillac?

Am not into Detroit iron. I prefer quality

Gotcha.. Mercedes is far from quality. If it was anything close to quality, then why would you pay 150k plus for a benz and 5 years later its work 15k?

I'll buy every 5-year old Mercedes you can find for 15 grand! Line-em up!

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Atl, I don't think the recruiting advantage is a large as you believe, especially once you get more than 350 miles outside of Missoula. A big, loud, cold stadium only goes so far to win over a kid.

So, maybe we should play in a Kibbe Dome or Holt dome, so we could recruit better kids. :laugh:

 

[grizindabox]

Atl, I don't think the recruiting advantage is a large as you believe, especially once you get more than 350 miles outside of Missoula. A big, loud, cold stadium only goes so far to win over a kid.

So, maybe we should play in a Kibbe Dome or Holt dome, so we could recruit better kids. :laugh:

Because a stadium is the only factor in recruiting?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Your post is a perfect example of the dumbing-down of the Griz nation about our football program, where finishing #31 in the nation is acceptable, and a "good season". We used to be a perennial top 3 program in the nation, year-after-year, and that was among a much tougher FBS field than today, where App State, Troy State, Umass, Georgia Southern resided. Now we try unsuccessfully to measure up to a former Div. II school who is now king. This is how far our program has slipped.

Funny thing about the passing of time. One gets amnesia about the past, and accepts a new reality about the present and future.

I don't believe he ever said #31 was "acceptable", but 9-5 IS a good season, by any measure. Is it good ENOUGH? Not for most Griz fans. But speaking of amnesia, this whole "used to be a perennial top 3 program in the nation" is exhibit A:

1978: 5-6, No playoffs (NR)
1979: 3-7, No playoffs (NR)
1980: 3-7, No playoffs (NR)
1981: 7-3, No playoffs (NR)
1982: 6-6, 1st Round Loss (#19)
1983: 4-6, No playoffs (NR)
1984: 2-8-1, No Playoffs (NR, but hey, we did lose to Army in the Mirage Bowl) :roll:
1985: 3-8, No playoffs (NR)
1986: 6-4, No playoffs (NR)
1987: 6-5, No playoffs (NR)
1988: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (NR)
1989: 11-3, Semifinal Loss (#6)
1990: 7-4, No playoffs (NR)
1991: 7-4, No playoffs (NR)
1992: 6-5, No playoffs (NR)
1993: 10-2, 1st round loss (#3)
1994: 11-3, Semifinal Loss (#8)
1995: 13-2, National Champions (#8) (I'm guessing they didn't do another poll after the playoffs)
1996: 14-1, Championship Game Loss (#2)
1997: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#11)
1998: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#14)
1999: 9-3, 1st Round Loss (#8)
2000: 13-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2001: 15-1, National Champions (#1)
2002: 11-3, 2nd Round Loss (#7)
2003: 9-4, 1st Round Loss (#14)
2004: 13-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2005: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#12)
2006: 12-2, Semifinal Loss (#3)
2007: 11-1, 1st Round Loss (#10)
2008: 14-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2009: 14-1, Championsihp Game Loss (#3)
2010: 7-4, No Playoffs (#20)
2011: 11-3, Semifinal Game Loss (#3)
2012: 5-6, No Playoffs (NR)
2013: 10-3, 1st Round Loss (#8)
2014: 9-5, 2nd Round Loss (#13)

So, 12 times in 37 years of Division I-AA football. 9 times between 1993-2009 (a period of 17 years). Since then (2009), we're on our THIRD coach, our THIRD offensive system, running on short scholarships, etc., etc., and still we've gone 42-21 with 3 playoff appearances in 5 years and one "top 3" ranking.

Is it ideal? No. Is it acceptable? As I said above, not to most Griz fans. But I AM realistic enough to realize that all that turmoil can't pass without having SOME negative effect on the product put onto the football field. And I'm also realistic enough to realize that Stitt isn't a miracle worker and he isn't going to "fix" this overnight.

You accept mediocrity. I don't

Reading is fundamental. Then again, when you (and by "you" I mean YOU< AtlantaGriz1) routinely just make shit up (like "perennial top 3 team" and "Bobby Hauck-coached teams were in the top 5 EVERY YEAR" bullshit), I wouldn't expect you to understand actual FACTS.

That being said, there's a vast difference between "accepting mediocrity" and realizing that what the organization has been through in the past 5 years is bound to throw up a few challenges and result in a few bumps in the road. Unlike you, however, I believe that it's not that far away from being great again, and that it's fixable in pretty short order, especially with Stitt at the helm. Difference is I'm a glass-half-full guy and you're, well.....NOT.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Your post is a perfect example of the dumbing-down of the Griz nation about our football program, where finishing #31 in the nation is acceptable, and a "good season". We used to be a perennial top 3 program in the nation, year-after-year, and that was among a much tougher FBS field than today, where App State, Troy State, Umass, Georgia Southern resided. Now we try unsuccessfully to measure up to a former Div. II school who is now king. This is how far our program has slipped.

Funny thing about the passing of time. One gets amnesia about the past, and accepts a new reality about the present and future.

I don't believe he ever said #31 was "acceptable", but 9-5 IS a good season, by any measure. Is it good ENOUGH? Not for most Griz fans. But speaking of amnesia, this whole "used to be a perennial top 3 program in the nation" is exhibit A:

1978: 5-6, No playoffs (NR)
1979: 3-7, No playoffs (NR)
1980: 3-7, No playoffs (NR)
1981: 7-3, No playoffs (NR)
1982: 6-6, 1st Round Loss (#19)
1983: 4-6, No playoffs (NR)
1984: 2-8-1, No Playoffs (NR, but hey, we did lose to Army in the Mirage Bowl) :roll:
1985: 3-8, No playoffs (NR)
1986: 6-4, No playoffs (NR)
1987: 6-5, No playoffs (NR)
1988: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (NR)
1989: 11-3, Semifinal Loss (#6)
1990: 7-4, No playoffs (NR)
1991: 7-4, No playoffs (NR)
1992: 6-5, No playoffs (NR)
1993: 10-2, 1st round loss (#3)
1994: 11-3, Semifinal Loss (#8)
1995: 13-2, National Champions (#8) (I'm guessing they didn't do another poll after the playoffs)
1996: 14-1, Championship Game Loss (#2)
1997: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#11)
1998: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#14)
1999: 9-3, 1st Round Loss (#8)
2000: 13-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2001: 15-1, National Champions (#1)
2002: 11-3, 2nd Round Loss (#7)
2003: 9-4, 1st Round Loss (#14)
2004: 13-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2005: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#12)
2006: 12-2, Semifinal Loss (#3)
2007: 11-1, 1st Round Loss (#10)
2008: 14-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2009: 14-1, Championsihp Game Loss (#3)
2010: 7-4, No Playoffs (#20)
2011: 11-3, Semifinal Game Loss (#3)
2012: 5-6, No Playoffs (NR)
2013: 10-3, 1st Round Loss (#8)
2014: 9-5, 2nd Round Loss (#13)

So, 12 times in 37 years of Division I-AA football. 9 times between 1993-2009 (a period of 17 years). Since then (2009), we're on our THIRD coach, our THIRD offensive system, running on short scholarships, etc., etc., and still we've gone 42-21 with 3 playoff appearances in 5 years and one "top 3" ranking.

Is it ideal? No. Is it acceptable? As I said above, not to most Griz fans. But I AM realistic enough to realize that all that turmoil can't pass without having SOME negative effect on the product put onto the football field. And I'm also realistic enough to realize that Stitt isn't a miracle worker and he isn't going to "fix" this overnight.

You accept mediocrity. I don't

Reading is fundamental. Then again, when you (and by "you" I mean YOU< AtlantaGriz1) routinely just make shit up (like "perennial top 3 team" and "Bobby Hauck-coached teams were in the top 5 EVERY YEAR" bullshit), I wouldn't expect you to understand actual FACTS.

That being said, there's a vast difference between "accepting mediocrity" and realizing that what the organization has been through in the past 5 years is bound to throw up a few challenges and result in a few bumps in the road. Unlike you, however, I believe that it's not that far away from being great again, and that it's fixable in pretty short order, especially with Stitt at the helm. Difference is I'm a glass-half-full guy and you're, well.....NOT.

no. i'm a realist and you're a sugar coater

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Get this Mercedes back on the road again!

I thought it was a Cadillac?

Am not into Detroit iron. I prefer quality

Like "Yugo" Gregorek?

 

[grizindabox]

It is all about the skoda

 

[garizzalies]

I believe at least part of the problem with the offensive line is the Griz are on their 4th head coach and 5th offensive coordinator in the last 7 years, and each wanted to run a different type of offense and needed a different set of O-Linemen to run their offense.

Yea, I hear ya, with the turnover and changes, etc., but nastiness is nastiness. Whether OLs are big-n-nasty or quick-n-nasty, a nasty OL can get plugged into just about any offense and do well, but we don't seem to get those anymore. We seem to care more about finesse and speed. And what I really don't get is, if Delaney was such a great recruiter and wanted to establish a power running program, where's the beef? Seriously, take a step back and think about it for a sec. Why in the FUCK are the OL cupboards so empty? I just don't understand why (nasty) OLs weren't a priority over the last 5 or so years, regardless of the system. It should be a priority every year. In fact, we could return to dominance if we could get just one truly nasty muther fucker each year

 

[Grizbeer]

I believe at least part of the problem with the offensive line is the Griz are on their 4th head coach and 5th offensive coordinator in the last 7 years, and each wanted to run a different type of offense and needed a different set of O-Linemen to run their offense.

Yea, I hear ya, with the turnover and changes, etc., but nastiness is nastiness. Whether OLs are big-n-nasty or quick-n-nasty, a nasty OL can get plugged into just about any offense and do well, but we don't seem to get those anymore. We seem to care more about finesse and speed. And what I really don't get is, if Delaney was such a great recruiter and wanted to establish a power running program, where's the beef? Seriously, take a step back and think about it for a sec. Why in the f*** are the OL cupboards so empty? I just don't understand why (nasty) OLs weren't a priority over the last 5 or so years, regardless of the system. It should be a priority every year. In fact, we could return to dominance if we could get just one truly nasty muther f***[*] each year

You have a good point, but I think it is more of a numbers thing than anything. Remember the class of 2012 was Pflugrad's last recruiting class, those are all either redshirt juniors or Seniors this year. here are the weights for the offensive lineman that are on the roster from that class:
280,295,270,270,290,290,290 - 7 guys, average of 284

For the guys singed between 2013-2014, the weights are:
270,250,270,245,315 - 5 guys, 270 average

here are the weights Stitt singed this year:
278,270,295,290,310 5 guys, 290 average = the incoming class as freshmen are on average larger than the oldest class Pflugrad recruited.

My guess is being down 4 scholarships, being border line for APR, and 2 years of recruiting with the cluster of O-Coordinators probably impacted Delaney's O-line recruiting as much as anything.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Reading is fundamental. Then again, when you (and by "you" I mean YOU< AtlantaGriz1) routinely just make shit up (like "perennial top 3 team" and "Bobby Hauck-coached teams were in the top 5 EVERY YEAR" bullshit), I wouldn't expect you to understand actual FACTS.

That being said, there's a vast difference between "accepting mediocrity" and realizing that what the organization has been through in the past 5 years is bound to throw up a few challenges and result in a few bumps in the road. Unlike you, however, I believe that it's not that far away from being great again, and that it's fixable in pretty short order, especially with Stitt at the helm. Difference is I'm a glass-half-full guy and you're, well.....NOT.

no. i'm a realist and you're a sugar coater

No comment on the constant stream of lies and half-truths that come out of your mouth? I love how when you're called on them you resort to the name-calling and deflect and change your argument. You're like arguing with a woman.

 

[Htowngriz]

I believe at least part of the problem with the offensive line is the Griz are on their 4th head coach and 5th offensive coordinator in the last 7 years, and each wanted to run a different type of offense and needed a different set of O-Linemen to run their offense.

Yea, I hear ya, with the turnover and changes, etc., but nastiness is nastiness. Whether OLs are big-n-nasty or quick-n-nasty, a nasty OL can get plugged into just about any offense and do well, but we don't seem to get those anymore. We seem to care more about finesse and speed. And what I really don't get is, if Delaney was such a great recruiter and wanted to establish a power running program, where's the beef? Seriously, take a step back and think about it for a sec. Why in the f*** are the OL cupboards so empty? I just don't understand why (nasty) OLs weren't a priority over the last 5 or so years, regardless of the system. It should be a priority every year. In fact, we could return to dominance if we could get just one truly nasty muther f***[*] each year

You have a good point, but I think it is more of a numbers thing than anything. Remember the class of 2012 was Pflugrad's last recruiting class, those are all either redshirt juniors or Seniors this year. here are the weights for the offensive lineman that are on the roster from that class:
280,295,270,270,290,290,290 - 7 guys, average of 284

For the guys singed between 2013-2014, the weights are:
270,250,270,245,315 - 5 guys, 270 average

here are the weights Stitt singed this year:
278,270,295,290,310 5 guys, 290 average = the incoming class as freshmen are on average larger than the oldest class Pflugrad recruited.

My guess is being down 4 scholarships, being border line for APR, and 2 years of recruiting with the cluster of O-Coordinators probably impacted Delaney's O-line recruiting as much as anything.

Also keep in mind that you don't really want or need 330 pound hambeasts with an offense like Stitt's.

 

[mcg]

... Your post is a perfect example of the dumbing-down of the Griz nation about our football program, where finishing #31 in the nation is acceptable, and a "good season". We used to be a perennial top 3 program in the nation, year-after-year, and that was among a much tougher FBS [Oops. Lack of perfection ... what does that mean?] field than today, where App State, Troy State, Umass, Georgia Southern resided. Now we try unsuccessfully to measure up to a former Div. II school who is now king. This is how far our program has slipped. ...

Do you work at using condescending and inflammatory language, or does it come naturally to you? :?

Remember: Nothing lasts forever. The fact that the Griz "used to be" great is irrelevant. IBM "used to be" the most dominant computer company in the world. That was then, this is now. That's like saying that if a team, or person, in any sport has done it once, they should be able to do it forever. Never happens. You say that, if they're not great, then they're a "bad" team. But by the standard of today, while they are not great, they are not so bad.

Sure, we'd all like to see Griz football return to "greatness." But if the only alternative to "perfection" is a judgement of "bad," then you're bound to be disappointed. The new cast of young men who represent UM, today, are working just as hard and surely want to achieve greatness. To say that, if they fall short of perfection they are failures, is inaccurate and unfair.

Well said, thanks

 

[AZGrizFan]

Sure, we'd all like to see Griz football return to "greatness." But if the only alternative to "perfection" is a judgement of "bad," then you're bound to be disappointed. The new cast of young men who represent UM, today, are working just as hard and surely want to achieve greatness. To say that, if they fall short of perfection they are failures, is inaccurate and unfair.

Best post of the week.

 

[Umista]

My god! Some of you have our O-Line hung out to dry and others have them dead tired laying outside the Mo club waiting for it to open to have a cold one!

Belly fat, BS, Death and Dooms Day seem to be the hot topic on EGriz at the moment. All of you can't be drunk at the same time, toss out the nasty outsiders, not sure I have listened to so much dog poo from E-Griz!

Bobby Hauck and I discussed this Offensive Linemen recruiting problem over a few beers. He repeated over and over the fact that it is the MOST DIFFICULT POSITION for any team to obtain GOOD OFFENSIVE LINEMEN. That fact is well known to good coaches at the college level. It also holds true for the Pros.

Stitt has what he has and it ain't going to change anytime soon. Gus may not have a full 2 seconds to make up his mind to get rid of the ball. He (Gus) is the key for us this year! The headlines may read "Gus gets Gassed" instead of any words about our O-Line, I think our O-Line will be well rested at the end of the game.

 

[garizzalies]

GB, good post, as always. Must be your taste in music that makes you so smart.
When it comes to OLs, I just wish, instead of recruiting size/shape/athletic ability (which, apparently, we have not even done that very well lately), we'd focus on attitude. Instead of asking about their measurables, we should be asking, "is your wallet the one that says 'bad muther fucker' on it?"

 

[westnodak93bison]

My god! Some of you have our O-Line hung out to dry and others have them dead tired laying outside the Mo club waiting for it to open to have a cold one!

Belly fat, BS, Death and Dooms Day seem to be the hot topic on EGriz at the moment. All of you can't be drunk at the same time, toss out the nasty outsiders, not sure I have listened to so much dog poo from E-Griz!

Bobby Hauck and I discussed this Offensive Linemen recruiting problem over a few beers. He repeated over and over the fact that it is the MOST DIFFICULT POSITION for any team to obtain GOOD OFFENSIVE LINEMEN. That fact is well known to good coaches at the college level. It also holds true for the Pros.

Stitt has what he has and it ain't going to change anytime soon. Gus may not have a full 2 seconds to make up his mind to get rid of the ball. He (Gus) is the key for us this year! The headlines may read "Gus gets Gassed" instead of any words about our O-Line, I think our O-Line will be well rested at the end of the game.

I've heard many times DT is toughest to find at fcs level

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

My god! Some of you have our O-Line hung out to dry and others have them dead tired laying outside the Mo club waiting for it to open to have a cold one!

Belly fat, BS, Death and Dooms Day seem to be the hot topic on EGriz at the moment. All of you can't be drunk at the same time, toss out the nasty outsiders, not sure I have listened to so much dog poo from E-Griz!

Bobby Hauck and I discussed this Offensive Linemen recruiting problem over a few beers. He repeated over and over the fact that it is the MOST DIFFICULT POSITION for any team to obtain GOOD OFFENSIVE LINEMEN. That fact is well known to good coaches at the college level. It also holds true for the Pros.

Stitt has what he has and it ain't going to change anytime soon. Gus may not have a full 2 seconds to make up his mind to get rid of the ball. He (Gus) is the key for us this year! The headlines may read "Gus gets Gassed" instead of any words about our O-Line, I think our O-Line will be well rested at the end of the game.

I've heard many times DT is toughest to find at fcs level

THIS

 

[grizindabox]

My god! Some of you have our O-Line hung out to dry and others have them dead tired laying outside the Mo club waiting for it to open to have a cold one!

Belly fat, BS, Death and Dooms Day seem to be the hot topic on EGriz at the moment. All of you can't be drunk at the same time, toss out the nasty outsiders, not sure I have listened to so much dog poo from E-Griz!

Bobby Hauck and I discussed this Offensive Linemen recruiting problem over a few beers. He repeated over and over the fact that it is the MOST DIFFICULT POSITION for any team to obtain GOOD OFFENSIVE LINEMEN. That fact is well known to good coaches at the college level. It also holds true for the Pros.

Stitt has what he has and it ain't going to change anytime soon. Gus may not have a full 2 seconds to make up his mind to get rid of the ball. He (Gus) is the key for us this year! The headlines may read "Gus gets Gassed" instead of any words about our O-Line, I think our O-Line will be well rested at the end of the game.

I've heard many times DT is toughest to find at fcs level

THIS

Funny, I am pretty sure every FCS team has DT's.... :thumb:

 

[westnodak93bison]

My god! Some of you have our O-Line hung out to dry and others have them dead tired laying outside the Mo club waiting for it to open to have a cold one!

Belly fat, BS, Death and Dooms Day seem to be the hot topic on EGriz at the moment. All of you can't be drunk at the same time, toss out the nasty outsiders, not sure I have listened to so much dog poo from E-Griz!

Bobby Hauck and I discussed this Offensive Linemen recruiting problem over a few beers. He repeated over and over the fact that it is the MOST DIFFICULT POSITION for any team to obtain GOOD OFFENSIVE LINEMEN. That fact is well known to good coaches at the college level. It also holds true for the Pros.

Stitt has what he has and it ain't going to change anytime soon. Gus may not have a full 2 seconds to make up his mind to get rid of the ball. He (Gus) is the key for us this year! The headlines may read &quot;Gus gets Gassed&quot; instead of any words about our O-Line, I think our O-Line will be well rested at the end of the game.

I've heard many times DT is toughest to find at fcs level

THIS

Funny, I am pretty sure every FCS team has DT's.... :thumb:

DT is the premium recruiting target. It is what separates the SEC from the rest in general. They seem to get the freak athletes at that position more often than not.