Hurry-Up Offense Will Gas Our O-Line

[BillingsMafia]

The way D Read won the 1st NC was development of a quick passing game. Not an offense dependent on a dominate offensive line. No big sky school will ever have a dominate offensive line good enough to grind it out to a NC. The talent pool simply doesn't exist.We came close in the 2000's but not enough for a NC. Read knew it, Glen had some real freaks, Phlugrad knew it and so does Stitt. Plus we have a Billings West QB. It may take a few years but we are much better off than the we were under Bobby.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

There is one huge difference between last year and this year: Stitt. Players who don't execute will be replaced. There will be competition at every position. The coaches will adapt and adjust in real time.

It's a new era in Griz football. Will that mean instant success? Maybe not, but it will come.

 

[NLGrizFan]

Since we've all been ranked 1st string, 2nd string, All American... We could use a Bench Warmer... Just a thought...

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

Since we've all been ranked 1st string, 2nd string, All American... We could use a Bench Warmer... Just a thought...

Ah you mean end, guard, and tackle?

END of the bench, GUARD the water, TACKLE anybody who comes near

 

[NLGrizFan]

Since we've all been ranked 1st string, 2nd string, All American... We could use a Bench Warmer... Just a thought...

Ah you mean end, guard, and tackle?

END of the bench, GUARD the water, TACKLE anybody who comes near

:lol:
I liked seeing the number of posts better. Oh well, doesn't matter I guess.

 

[doc3kgt]

Don't bother LTCF, I tried to point this exact thing out to them when Stitt announced he wanted to run 100 plays a game, but they truly don't get it. All I heard was how much better UM's D was than MSU's and that this new offense was actually going to HELP the UM D. As you've said, they will find out. It's goingto be comical watching the implosion on this sight when the UM defensive stats start getting skewed and all the posters jum on here and start asking "HOW IN THE HELL IS OUR DEFENSE WORSE THAN LAST YEAR!!!!". In fact I'm guessing we will see that exact sentence as the title of a thread on here sometime throughout the season. I've already placed several wagers with my griz fan buddies about what the UM defensive stats will look like at the end of the year. (Hint - the will be worse in probably every category).

Dude, the Griz defense IS much deeper and flat out more talented than the Cats D. You place bets with several people on where a team will statistically finish within a conference on Defense? Good stuff. The Griz D is loaded with talent, the Cats D is not, it seems pretty simple to me. We don't run the same offense as you and we don't have the same team makeup. You are trying way too hard to assure everyone that the Griz will mirror the Cats of last year, but defense is almost half the game and the two teams couldn't be more different from that standpoint. We don't know what will happen because we haven't even seen the entire team play a game yet, so give it up. And yes, NDSU will move the ball on us and likely beat us so no need for you to come on here and troll after that game. Of course if we win, maybe you can make yourself scarce until next year when the cats win their 6th consecuituve preseason championship under Ash.

What we do know is that the Griz D is likely superior to the Cat D at almost every position. I'd go as far as saying that Sheridan is the only player on the Cats D that would start on the Griz D this year. Any others that I'm missing?[/quote]

Don't be so sure about this. MSU defense last year was an aonmaly. The coaching staff has put a TON of effort into improving the Defense, and all camp / scrimmage reports thus far are that the defensive performance of the team is greatly improved. I wouldn't be suprised to see the MSU D ranked in the top half of the conference.

 

[westnodak93bison]

The way D Read won the 1st NC was development of a quick passing game. Not an offense dependent on a dominate offensive line. No big sky school will ever have a dominate offensive line good enough to grind it out to a NC. The talent pool simply doesn't exist.We came close in the 2000's but not enough for a NC. Read knew it, Glen had some real freaks, Phlugrad knew it and so does Stitt. Plus we have a Billings West QB. It may take a few years but we are much better off than the we were under Bobby.

Why do you say big sky teams won't have an o-line that can grind it out? Your talent pool comes from the western half of the USA? I think you are right by the way. Curious on your take.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

... Hell, as bad as our team was last year according to a lot of people, we finished pretty damn well and can only get better this year.

:thumb:
The notion that the Griz were a “bad” team last year shows just how spoiled rotten some fans on here are.

Getting back to the NCAA stats, we find that UM, at 9-5, tied for #31 in winning percentage among all 121 schools at the 1-AA level. If you bump teams with totally wimpy schedules, the Griz come out at about #20-24 ... just on that measure alone. Example of wimpy: San Diego had a higher winning percentage at 9-3, 75%, than the Griz. Remember what UM did to the Toreros? And the Griz got into the playoffs -- almost a hundred teams would have been happy to have been there instead. Hell, there were three teams that did not win a game, and six more than only won once. Now those are bad teams.

So, by no objective measure were the Griz a “bad” team last year. Sure, all of us would have liked to have seen the Griz do better. But c’mon!

Your post is a perfect example of the dumbing-down of the Griz nation about our football program, where finishing #31 in the nation is acceptable, and a "good season". We used to be a perennial top 3 program in the nation, year-after-year, and that was among a much tougher FBS field than today, where App State, Troy State, Umass, Georgia Southern resided. Now we try unsuccessfully to measure up to a former Div. II school who is now king. This is how far our program has slipped.

Funny thing about the passing of time. One gets amnesia about the past, and accepts a new reality about the present and future.

 

[fanofzoo]

It will be key for us to score more points than NDSU to win the game. If we don't score points then it's going to be really tough to win. Hopefully our defense can tackle the player who has the ball on the other team before he/she gets too many meters down the field. I am really worried about how many owies are players might get for playing too much over the course of the match.

I don't think Stitt understands this. I am really worried that he doesn't hang out with enough knowledgeable football fans or ex-griz football players to understand how to coach. I mean, I really doubt he even hangs out at the Mo Club. Stitt is a pedestrian fan at best...

What the hell, we have meters on the field now? What happens when the meter gets low? Who pays?

 

[AZGrizFan]

... Hell, as bad as our team was last year according to a lot of people, we finished pretty damn well and can only get better this year.

:thumb:
The notion that the Griz were a “bad” team last year shows just how spoiled rotten some fans on here are.

Getting back to the NCAA stats, we find that UM, at 9-5, tied for #31 in winning percentage among all 121 schools at the 1-AA level. If you bump teams with totally wimpy schedules, the Griz come out at about #20-24 ... just on that measure alone. Example of wimpy: San Diego had a higher winning percentage at 9-3, 75%, than the Griz. Remember what UM did to the Toreros? And the Griz got into the playoffs -- almost a hundred teams would have been happy to have been there instead. Hell, there were three teams that did not win a game, and six more than only won once. Now those are bad teams.

So, by no objective measure were the Griz a “bad” team last year. Sure, all of us would have liked to have seen the Griz do better. But c’mon!

Your post is a perfect example of the dumbing-down of the Griz nation about our football program, where finishing #31 in the nation is acceptable, and a "good season". We used to be a perennial top 3 program in the nation, year-after-year, and that was among a much tougher FBS field than today, where App State, Troy State, Umass, Georgia Southern resided. Now we try unsuccessfully to measure up to a former Div. II school who is now king. This is how far our program has slipped.

Funny thing about the passing of time. One gets amnesia about the past, and accepts a new reality about the present and future.

I don't believe he ever said #31 was "acceptable", but 9-5 IS a good season, by any measure. Is it good ENOUGH? Not for most Griz fans. But speaking of amnesia, this whole "used to be a perennial top 3 program in the nation" is exhibit A:

1978: 5-6, No playoffs (NR)
1979: 3-7, No playoffs (NR)
1980: 3-7, No playoffs (NR)
1981: 7-3, No playoffs (NR)
1982: 6-6, 1st Round Loss (#19)
1983: 4-6, No playoffs (NR)
1984: 2-8-1, No Playoffs (NR, but hey, we did lose to Army in the Mirage Bowl) :roll:
1985: 3-8, No playoffs (NR)
1986: 6-4, No playoffs (NR)
1987: 6-5, No playoffs (NR)
1988: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (NR)
1989: 11-3, Semifinal Loss (#6)
1990: 7-4, No playoffs (NR)
1991: 7-4, No playoffs (NR)
1992: 6-5, No playoffs (NR)
1993: 10-2, 1st round loss (#3)
1994: 11-3, Semifinal Loss (#8)
1995: 13-2, National Champions (#8) (I'm guessing they didn't do another poll after the playoffs)
1996: 14-1, Championship Game Loss (#2)
1997: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#11)
1998: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#14)
1999: 9-3, 1st Round Loss (#8)
2000: 13-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2001: 15-1, National Champions (#1)
2002: 11-3, 2nd Round Loss (#7)
2003: 9-4, 1st Round Loss (#14)
2004: 13-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2005: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#12)
2006: 12-2, Semifinal Loss (#3)
2007: 11-1, 1st Round Loss (#10)
2008: 14-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2009: 14-1, Championsihp Game Loss (#3)
2010: 7-4, No Playoffs (#20)
2011: 11-3, Semifinal Game Loss (#3)
2012: 5-6, No Playoffs (NR)
2013: 10-3, 1st Round Loss (#8)
2014: 9-5, 2nd Round Loss (#13)

So, 12 times in 37 years of Division I-AA football. 9 times between 1993-2009 (a period of 17 years). Since then (2009), we're on our THIRD coach, our THIRD offensive system, running on short scholarships, etc., etc., and still we've gone 42-21 with 3 playoff appearances in 5 years and one "top 3" ranking.

Is it ideal? No. Is it acceptable? As I said above, not to most Griz fans. But I AM realistic enough to realize that all that turmoil can't pass without having SOME negative effect on the product put onto the football field. And I'm also realistic enough to realize that Stitt isn't a miracle worker and he isn't going to "fix" this overnight.

 

[BillingsMafia]

The way D Read won the 1st NC was development of a quick passing game. Not an offense dependent on a dominate offensive line. No big sky school will ever have a dominate offensive line good enough to grind it out to a NC. The talent pool simply doesn't exist.We came close in the 2000's but not enough for a NC. Read knew it, Glen had some real freaks, Phlugrad knew it and so does Stitt. Plus we have a Billings West QB. It may take a few years but we are much better off than the we were under Bobby.

Why do you say big sky teams won't have an o-line that can grind it out? Your talent pool comes from the western half of the USA? I think you are right by the way. Curious on your take.

Talented offensive linemen are rare. Very rare. The guys talented enough to enable a team to grind it out to the NC will be heavily recruited by the FBS schools. Thats what I'm referring to. NDST has had some real studs on their O-line, that is unusual and so is winning 3 or 4 consecutive NC's. If they drop off even a little a quick passing game with a smart QB and a smart coach can take you guys down.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

... Hell, as bad as our team was last year according to a lot of people, we finished pretty damn well and can only get better this year.

:thumb:
The notion that the Griz were a “bad” team last year shows just how spoiled rotten some fans on here are.

Getting back to the NCAA stats, we find that UM, at 9-5, tied for #31 in winning percentage among all 121 schools at the 1-AA level. If you bump teams with totally wimpy schedules, the Griz come out at about #20-24 ... just on that measure alone. Example of wimpy: San Diego had a higher winning percentage at 9-3, 75%, than the Griz. Remember what UM did to the Toreros? And the Griz got into the playoffs -- almost a hundred teams would have been happy to have been there instead. Hell, there were three teams that did not win a game, and six more than only won once. Now those are bad teams.

So, by no objective measure were the Griz a “bad” team last year. Sure, all of us would have liked to have seen the Griz do better. But c’mon!

Your post is a perfect example of the dumbing-down of the Griz nation about our football program, where finishing #31 in the nation is acceptable, and a "good season". We used to be a perennial top 3 program in the nation, year-after-year, and that was among a much tougher FBS field than today, where App State, Troy State, Umass, Georgia Southern resided. Now we try unsuccessfully to measure up to a former Div. II school who is now king. This is how far our program has slipped.

Funny thing about the passing of time. One gets amnesia about the past, and accepts a new reality about the present and future.

I don't believe he ever said #31 was "acceptable", but 9-5 IS a good season, by any measure. Is it good ENOUGH? Not for most Griz fans. But speaking of amnesia, this whole "used to be a perennial top 3 program in the nation" is exhibit A:

1978: 5-6, No playoffs (NR)
1979: 3-7, No playoffs (NR)
1980: 3-7, No playoffs (NR)
1981: 7-3, No playoffs (NR)
1982: 6-6, 1st Round Loss (#19)
1983: 4-6, No playoffs (NR)
1984: 2-8-1, No Playoffs (NR, but hey, we did lose to Army in the Mirage Bowl) :roll:
1985: 3-8, No playoffs (NR)
1986: 6-4, No playoffs (NR)
1987: 6-5, No playoffs (NR)
1988: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (NR)
1989: 11-3, Semifinal Loss (#6)
1990: 7-4, No playoffs (NR)
1991: 7-4, No playoffs (NR)
1992: 6-5, No playoffs (NR)
1993: 10-2, 1st round loss (#3)
1994: 11-3, Semifinal Loss (#8)
1995: 13-2, National Champions (#8) (I'm guessing they didn't do another poll after the playoffs)
1996: 14-1, Championship Game Loss (#2)
1997: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#11)
1998: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#14)
1999: 9-3, 1st Round Loss (#8)
2000: 13-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2001: 15-1, National Champions (#1)
2002: 11-3, 2nd Round Loss (#7)
2003: 9-4, 1st Round Loss (#14)
2004: 13-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2005: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#12)
2006: 12-2, Semifinal Loss (#3)
2007: 11-1, 1st Round Loss (#10)
2008: 14-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2009: 14-1, Championsihp Game Loss (#3)
2010: 7-4, No Playoffs (#20)
2011: 11-3, Semifinal Game Loss (#3)
2012: 5-6, No Playoffs (NR)
2013: 10-3, 1st Round Loss (#8)
2014: 9-5, 2nd Round Loss (#13)

So, 12 times in 37 years of Division I-AA football. 9 times between 1993-2009 (a period of 17 years). Since then (2009), we're on our THIRD coach, our THIRD offensive system, running on short scholarships, etc., etc., and still we've gone 42-21 with 3 playoff appearances in 5 years and one "top 3" ranking.

Is it ideal? No. Is it acceptable? As I said above, not to most Griz fans. But I AM realistic enough to realize that all that turmoil can't pass without having SOME negative effect on the product put onto the football field. And I'm also realistic enough to realize that Stitt isn't a miracle worker and he isn't going to "fix" this overnight.

You accept mediocrity. I don't

 

[grizcountry420]

I don't believe he ever said #31 was "acceptable", but 9-5 IS a good season, by any measure. Is it good ENOUGH? Not for most Griz fans. But speaking of amnesia, this whole "used to be a perennial top 3 program in the nation" is exhibit A:

1978: 5-6, No playoffs (NR)
1979: 3-7, No playoffs (NR)
1980: 3-7, No playoffs (NR)
1981: 7-3, No playoffs (NR)
1982: 6-6, 1st Round Loss (#19)
1983: 4-6, No playoffs (NR)
1984: 2-8-1, No Playoffs (NR, but hey, we did lose to Army in the Mirage Bowl) :roll:
1985: 3-8, No playoffs (NR)
1986: 6-4, No playoffs (NR)
1987: 6-5, No playoffs (NR)
1988: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (NR)
1989: 11-3, Semifinal Loss (#6)
1990: 7-4, No playoffs (NR)
1991: 7-4, No playoffs (NR)
1992: 6-5, No playoffs (NR)
1993: 10-2, 1st round loss (#3)
1994: 11-3, Semifinal Loss (#8)
1995: 13-2, National Champions (#8) (I'm guessing they didn't do another poll after the playoffs)
1996: 14-1, Championship Game Loss (#2)
1997: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#11)
1998: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#14)
1999: 9-3, 1st Round Loss (#8)
2000: 13-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2001: 15-1, National Champions (#1)
2002: 11-3, 2nd Round Loss (#7)
2003: 9-4, 1st Round Loss (#14)
2004: 13-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2005: 8-4, 1st Round Loss (#12)
2006: 12-2, Semifinal Loss (#3)
2007: 11-1, 1st Round Loss (#10)
2008: 14-2, Championship Game Loss (#2)
2009: 14-1, Championsihp Game Loss (#3)
2010: 7-4, No Playoffs (#20)
2011: 11-3, Semifinal Game Loss (#3)
2012: 5-6, No Playoffs (NR)
2013: 10-3, 1st Round Loss (#8)
2014: 9-5, 2nd Round Loss (#13)

So, 12 times in 37 years of Division I-AA football. 9 times between 1993-2009 (a period of 17 years). Since then (2009), we're on our THIRD coach, our THIRD offensive system, running on short scholarships, etc., etc., and still we've gone 42-21 with 3 playoff appearances in 5 years and one "top 3" ranking.

Is it ideal? No. Is it acceptable? As I said above, not to most Griz fans. But I AM realistic enough to realize that all that turmoil can't pass without having SOME negative effect on the product put onto the football field. And I'm also realistic enough to realize that Stitt isn't a miracle worker and he isn't going to "fix" this overnight.

You accept mediocrity. I don't

But the fact is... This happens to every team whether it be football, basketball, hockey,ect..

 

[IdaGriz01]

... Your post is a perfect example of the dumbing-down of the Griz nation about our football program, where finishing #31 in the nation is acceptable, and a "good season". We used to be a perennial top 3 program in the nation, year-after-year, and that was among a much tougher FBS [Oops. Lack of perfection ... what does that mean?] field than today, where App State, Troy State, Umass, Georgia Southern resided. Now we try unsuccessfully to measure up to a former Div. II school who is now king. This is how far our program has slipped. ...

Do you work at using condescending and inflammatory language, or does it come naturally to you? :?

Remember: Nothing lasts forever. The fact that the Griz "used to be" great is irrelevant. IBM "used to be" the most dominant computer company in the world. That was then, this is now. That's like saying that if a team, or person, in any sport has done it once, they should be able to do it forever. Never happens. You say that, if they're not great, then they're a "bad" team. But by the standard of today, while they are not great, they are not so bad.

Sure, we'd all like to see Griz football return to "greatness." But if the only alternative to "perfection" is a judgement of "bad," then you're bound to be disappointed. The new cast of young men who represent UM, today, are working just as hard and surely want to achieve greatness. To say that, if they fall short of perfection they are failures, is inaccurate and unfair.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

There is no reason it should happen to UM in football. We have such a HUGE recruiting advantage over all other FCS schools, that we should NEVER be lower than #5 in the country. Only Delaware and NSDU even come close in being able to offer what we offer a kid. Most of the other top FCS teams have moved up, and are now gone, but we are not even close to being an elite program any longer. Am sick of all of the excuses why. Get this Mercedes back on the road again!

 

[grizcountry420]

Get this Mercedes back on the road again!

I thought it was a Cadillac?

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

... Your post is a perfect example of the dumbing-down of the Griz nation about our football program, where finishing #31 in the nation is acceptable, and a "good season". We used to be a perennial top 3 program in the nation, year-after-year, and that was among a much tougher FBS [Oops. Lack of perfection ... what does that mean?] field than today, where App State, Troy State, Umass, Georgia Southern resided. Now we try unsuccessfully to measure up to a former Div. II school who is now king. This is how far our program has slipped. ...

Do you work at using condescending and inflammatory language, or does it come naturally to you? :?

Remember: Nothing lasts forever. The fact that the Griz "used to be" great is irrelevant. IBM "used to be" the most dominant computer company in the world. That was then, this is now. That's like saying that if a team, or person, in any sport has done it once, they should be able to do it forever. Never happens. You say that, if they're not great, then they're a "bad" team. But by the standard of today, while they are not great, they are not so bad.

Sure, we'd all like to see Griz football return to "greatness." But if the only alternative to "perfection" is a judgement of "bad," then you're bound to be disappointed. The new cast of young men who represent UM, today, are working just as hard and surely want to achieve greatness. To say that, if they fall short of perfection they are failures, is inaccurate and unfair.

You are the poster child for the type of fan we don't need around here. Go be a Bobcat fan, you'll fit in nicely.

 

[grizindabox]

Atl, I don't think the recruiting advantage is a large as you believe, especially once you get more than 350 miles outside of Missoula. A big, loud, cold stadium only goes so far to win over a kid.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Get this Mercedes back on the road again!

I thought it was a Cadillac?

Am not into Detroit iron. I prefer quality

 

[Grizbeer]

I believe at least part of the problem with the offensive line is the Griz are on their 4th head coach and 5th offensive coordinator in the last 7 years, and each wanted to run a different type of offense and needed a different set of O-Linemen to run their offense.