Hurry-Up Offense Will Gas Our O-Line

[grizindabox]

No, not the point at all realy but I'm glad you got all that off your chest. Your D will suffer because of the new O you are installing, PERIOD. That is the one and only point that LTCF and I have been trying to make from the beginning. You'll find out. LTCF had an excellent idea for you guys, you should ask Stitt that question directly and see what his response is.

But that could be the outcome no matter what new offense was being installed...it is independent to the exact type of offense being installed. You are more basing it on the growth of the offense learning and executing and not the fact that it is an uptempo offense.

 

[Alaska Griz]

I posed this issue to Coach Stitt during a round of golf and his answer was very informative as to his philosophy. For starters the o-line does not have to chase down a ball carrier - wether it be run or pass -while the d-line does. An o-lineman has to lay down his block and hustle to the next line of scrimmage. A D-lineman has to chase the play till the whistle blows. The o-line coach is tasked with watching his line closely during the game and when they appear to be getting tired he passes that info on to Stitt who said he then will call one of his more than 20 versions of the wide receiver screen. When the wide receiver screen is called the o-line has to hold its block for about two seconds while the d-line has to sprint to the sideline and chase the play..and sprint back to the new line of scrimmage because of the speed of which the next play is called. Stitt expects to have the offense lined up 17-20 seconds after the whistle is blown on the previous play. Basically when a wide receiver screen is called the d-line has to run two 20yd sprints and then be lined up for the next play. Stitt said he will often call the screen to the wide side of the field to make the D run even farther. Part of the reason he goes for it on fourth down is to "mind f&@k" the defense. He loves the look on the defenders' faces when they get all jacked up after stopping the offense on third down and then realize they have to defend a fourth down. Even better, he says, is when a defensive coordinate wants to change personnel on a third down play and the defensive players refuse to do,it because thy are too tired to run to the sideline. He told me he sees that a lot. Coach Stitt has been running this offense a long time and is definitely conscious of its impact on his linemen. They will be well conditioned and ready to run an uptempo offense and execute 90+ plays a game.

This is a great post, very informative. In fact maybe someone should share this with some of the other Big Sky coaches (Not MSU because Ash already knows all this) but maybe it would help some of the less experienced coaches prepare for this impending offensive juggernaut!

The only part I disagree with however, is the bolded above. No way in hell that happens at this level. You can bet that no Ash coached team, or probably any other Big Sky coaches are going to tolerate that shiznit. That sounds like something that's probably only going to happen at a lower division, which again points to the fact that Stitt may be in way over his head here.

Where exactly is the evidence that Stitt is over his head? I think I'm missing your correlations...I surely haven't seen any signs of this "in way over his head" talk you keep spouting off since he arrived on campus. He promptly bent Ash over on instate recruiting, signed a highly rated class, and has created a buzz around Griz football that many are awfully excited about. He's obviously very bright and extremely competitive. You should really think about hating on something else. Or maybe just go find a team to root for and be done with it.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Any offense has to perform to keep the D on the sidelines. The Griz had lousy TOP last year and put the D in a bad place with too many 3 & outs. Stitt's offense, when properly functioning, is a possession type of offense and in some ways a field position type of strategy. Always get at least a few first downs and that will keep the defense out of trouble. When malfunctioning it will put pressure on the D, no difference than last year.

 

[biga75]

I can't wait to see the look on Coach Ron Ash's face.

Something like this perhaps?

 

[grizindabox]

I don't disagree with the premise that the Griz offense will have growing pains adjusting to the new system...I fully believe that this season will be similar the Pflugrad's first year.

 

[Alaska Griz]

I don't disagree with the premise that the Griz offense will have growing pains adjusting to the new system...I fully believe that this season will be similar the Pflugrad's first year.

Are you talking strictly about the offense? This D is better than Phlu's first year, and I think Stitt has several key holdover coaches already in place, not to mention the TEAM seems to have progressed quicker in spring and fall camps than Phlugrad's from what I remember. And didn't we have Roper at the helm after Selle went out? Sorry, I just don't see the comparison with the QB and receivers we have.

 

[Alaska Griz]

I can't wait to see the look on Coach Ron Ash's face.

Something like this perhaps?

I love having Ash as a rival coach. :lol:

 

[grizindabox]

I don't disagree with the premise that the Griz offense will have growing pains adjusting to the new system...I fully believe that this season will be similar the Pflugrad's first year.

Are you talking strictly about the offense? This D is better than Phlu's first year, and I think Stitt has several key holdover coaches already in place, not to mention the TEAM seems to have progressed quicker in spring and fall camps than Phlugrad's from what I remember. And didn't we have Roper at the helm after Selle went out? Sorry, I just don't see the comparison with the QB and receivers we have.

Funny, it doesn't seem I mentioned the defense. I think the offense will struggle, especially early. I think you will see the Griz finish 6-5 or 7-4 just like Pflugrad year 1. September could be brutal and will dictate what the Griz record will be. If they perform well over the first month, then it could be much better.

 

[Alaska Griz]

Yes of course this will be a huge problem. Only Griz players get tired. The Griz are doomed. I mean, look at other up tempo teams like the Oregon Ducks for example. They suck. To me the question is not whether the Griz can succeed at this but more of can they succeed this year. If changing systems was easy then all losing teams would do it every year to find something better. I do believe if anyone can make a quick change it is Stitt. He knows this stuff cold. But still, how quick?

Particular system aside, I love his "chess player" mentality. I have seen way to much pig-headed persistence and slow in-game adjustments. His comments suggest he is always scheming and looking to exploit the chinks in the opponents game plan. It will be refreshing to watch.

Spot on.

 

[Grisly Fan]

I don't disagree with the premise that the Griz offense will have growing pains adjusting to the new system...I fully believe that this season will be similar the Pflugrad's first year.

Are you talking strictly about the offense? This D is better than Phlu's first year, and I think Stitt has several key holdover coaches already in place, not to mention the TEAM seems to have progressed quicker in spring and fall camps than Phlugrad's from what I remember. And didn't we have Roper at the helm after Selle went out? Sorry, I just don't see the comparison with the QB and receivers we have.

I believe it is true that Stitt's offense is not an all-or-nothing proposition re: speed of execution. It can still work at normal speed. There is nothing he wants to do that can't work at normal speed. Having quick execution is intended to be the x-factor that gives you a tactical advantage. The Griz could start at near normal speed and ramp as the offense becomes second nature. Sure, you give up a bit but it will be far from a Charlie Foxtrot. In the beginning it will be more of fundamentals and less flash.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I can't wait to see the look on Coach Ron Ash's face.

Something like this perhaps?

No, that shows the look on his pants. :lol:

 

[grizcountry420]

Your D will suffer because of the new O you are installing, PERIOD.

Your D will suffer because of your D, PERIOD.

 

[Alaska Griz]

I don't disagree with the premise that the Griz offense will have growing pains adjusting to the new system...I fully believe that this season will be similar the Pflugrad's first year.

Are you talking strictly about the offense? This D is better than Phlu's first year, and I think Stitt has several key holdover coaches already in place, not to mention the TEAM seems to have progressed quicker in spring and fall camps than Phlugrad's from what I remember. And didn't we have Roper at the helm after Selle went out? Sorry, I just don't see the comparison with the QB and receivers we have.

Funny, it doesn't seem I mentioned the defense. I think the offense will struggle, especially early. I think you will see the Griz finish 6-5 or 7-4 just like Pflugrad year 1. September could be brutal and will dictate what the Griz record will be. If they perform well over the first month, then it could be much better.

Nothing funny, I asked if you were referring to the results of Phlugrad's first year overall or specifically the progression of the offense. In any case, you were indeed talking about both offense and defense as you just predicted an overall season result mirroring Phlu's, which was a TEAM result. Your prediction isn't really a prediction. You're saying that the Griz will finish 6-5, but if they do well in September, maybe much better. So basically, who knows. :lol: I would, however put $1,000 cash down that the Griz finish better than 6-5. Feel free to take me up on it. I won't make a vague prediction though. Also, comparing the record this year to Phlu's will say more about our tougher schedule than any direct correlation between the two teams.

 

[AZGrizFan]

No, not the point at all realy but I'm glad you got all that off your chest. Your D will suffer because of the new O you are installing, PERIOD. That is the one and only point that LTCF and I have been trying to make from the beginning. You'll find out. LTCF had an excellent idea for you guys, you should ask Stitt that question directly and see what his response is.

It WAS asked of Stitt. And his response was posted here. And it was brushed off as "coach-speak". :roll:

 

[AZGrizFan]

I don't disagree with the premise that the Griz offense will have growing pains adjusting to the new system...I fully believe that this season will be similar the Pflugrad's first year.

Are you talking strictly about the offense? This D is better than Phlu's first year, and I think Stitt has several key holdover coaches already in place, not to mention the TEAM seems to have progressed quicker in spring and fall camps than Phlugrad's from what I remember. And didn't we have Roper at the helm after Selle went out? Sorry, I just don't see the comparison with the QB and receivers we have.

Funny, it doesn't seem I mentioned the defense. I think the offense will struggle, especially early. I think you will see the Griz finish 6-5 or 7-4 just like Pflugrad year 1. September could be brutal and will dictate what the Griz record will be. If they perform well over the first month, then it could be much better.

I agree.

 

[grizindabox]

I don't disagree with the premise that the Griz offense will have growing pains adjusting to the new system...I fully believe that this season will be similar the Pflugrad's first year.

Are you talking strictly about the offense? This D is better than Phlu's first year, and I think Stitt has several key holdover coaches already in place, not to mention the TEAM seems to have progressed quicker in spring and fall camps than Phlugrad's from what I remember. And didn't we have Roper at the helm after Selle went out? Sorry, I just don't see the comparison with the QB and receivers we have.

Funny, it doesn't seem I mentioned the defense. I think the offense will struggle, especially early. I think you will see the Griz finish 6-5 or 7-4 just like Pflugrad year 1. September could be brutal and will dictate what the Griz record will be. If they perform well over the first month, then it could be much better.

Nothing funny, I asked if you were referring to the results of Phlugrad's first year overall or specifically the progression of the offense. In any case, you were indeed talking about both offense and defense as you just predicted an overall season result mirroring Phlu's, which was a TEAM result. Your prediction isn't really a prediction. You're saying that the Griz will finish 6-5, but if they do well in September, maybe much better. So basically, who knows. :lol: I would, however put $1,000 cash down that the Griz finish better than 6-5. Feel free to take me up on it. I won't make a vague prediction though. Also, comparing the record this year to Phlu's will say more about our tougher schedule than any direct correlation between the two teams.

Did not mention the defense at all. What I did say was I think the offense has growing pains, which may be bad considering the September schedule. I think a final record similar to what Pflugrad had year 1, 7-4 or 6-5 based on a pretty difficult early schedule, is what I currently expect. I did not compare this defense to that defense.

 

[spsyk]

I posed this issue to Coach Stitt during a round of golf and his answer was very informative as to his philosophy. For starters the o-line does not have to chase down a ball carrier - wether it be run or pass -while the d-line does. An o-lineman has to lay down his block and hustle to the next line of scrimmage. A D-lineman has to chase the play till the whistle blows. The o-line coach is tasked with watching his line closely during the game and when they appear to be getting tired he passes that info on to Stitt who said he then will call one of his more than 20 versions of the wide receiver screen. When the wide receiver screen is called the o-line has to hold its block for about two seconds while the d-line has to sprint to the sideline and chase the play..and sprint back to the new line of scrimmage because of the speed of which the next play is called. Stitt expects to have the offense lined up 17-20 seconds after the whistle is blown on the previous play. Basically when a wide receiver screen is called the d-line has to run two 20yd sprints and then be lined up for the next play. Stitt said he will often call the screen to the wide side of the field to make the D run even farther. Part of the reason he goes for it on fourth down is to "mind f&@k" the defense. He loves the look on the defenders' faces when they get all jacked up after stopping the offense on third down and then realize they have to defend a fourth down. Even better, he says, is when a defensive coordinate wants to change personnel on a third down play and the defensive players refuse to do,it because thy are too tired to run to the sideline. He told me he sees that a lot. Coach Stitt has been running this offense a long time and is definitely conscious of its impact on his linemen. They will be well conditioned and ready to run an uptempo offense and execute 90+ plays a game.

Great post. :clap: :clap:

Well that philosophy sure puts my mind at ease, and also explaining Coach Stitt two stellar years, and thirteen other less than mediocre at a level just above high school.

Looking forward to you leading the Cheer Leaders and Sugar Bears on the side lines this fall.

With that rant, I am truly hoping and wishing for the best for this staff and especially this team, although not looking thru maroon color glasses, it may not be the year that many have come to the conclusion, that of making reservations to go to the National Championship.

 

[Htowngriz]

I posed this issue to Coach Stitt during a round of golf and his answer was very informative as to his philosophy. For starters the o-line does not have to chase down a ball carrier - wether it be run or pass -while the d-line does. An o-lineman has to lay down his block and hustle to the next line of scrimmage. A D-lineman has to chase the play till the whistle blows. The o-line coach is tasked with watching his line closely during the game and when they appear to be getting tired he passes that info on to Stitt who said he then will call one of his more than 20 versions of the wide receiver screen. When the wide receiver screen is called the o-line has to hold its block for about two seconds while the d-line has to sprint to the sideline and chase the play..and sprint back to the new line of scrimmage because of the speed of which the next play is called. Stitt expects to have the offense lined up 17-20 seconds after the whistle is blown on the previous play. Basically when a wide receiver screen is called the d-line has to run two 20yd sprints and then be lined up for the next play. Stitt said he will often call the screen to the wide side of the field to make the D run even farther. Part of the reason he goes for it on fourth down is to "mind f&@k" the defense. He loves the look on the defenders' faces when they get all jacked up after stopping the offense on third down and then realize they have to defend a fourth down. Even better, he says, is when a defensive coordinate wants to change personnel on a third down play and the defensive players refuse to do,it because thy are too tired to run to the sideline. He told me he sees that a lot. Coach Stitt has been running this offense a long time and is definitely conscious of its impact on his linemen. They will be well conditioned and ready to run an uptempo offense and execute 90+ plays a game.

Great post. :clap: :clap:

Well that philosophy sure puts my mind at ease, and also explaining Coach Stitt two stellar years, and thirteen other less than mediocre at a level just above high school.

I love how people (like you) who barely got into UM can't comprehend how challenging it is to put together a competitive team at a school like Mines. There's a reason Cal Tech doesn't even bother.

 

[JBS]

I still hate that the quote function is so hard for some people.

 

[WaGriz4life]

It's not the OL I'd worry about getting gassed as a result of more plays. When you run your shit that fast, you create more possessions, not only for yourself, but for your opponent as well.

I'd worry about your D line getting gassed, not the OL.

Time of possession is the concern, not the number of them. And the defense has some modicum of control over how long the other offense controls the ball.

I'm gonna try not to be a dick here, but think about this...

Does "time" on the field wear out a defense, or do the number of plays a defense defends?

Time of possession is a meaningless stat that really no one considers.

THIS