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Hurry-Up Offense Will Gas Our O-Line

grizindabox said:
LongTimeCatFan said:
grizindabox said:
Longinthetoothcatfan, let me explain it this way. This is your post from before

"But when you play fast, you score fast and your opponents get just as many possessions as you do. As your increased rate of play results in more possessions for yourself, the same is true for your opponent."

Lets say both teams have the same number of possessions and each have 30 minutes TOP. The Griz hurry-up and run a play every 20 seconds...that would be 90 plays. The opponent runs a play every 30 seconds...that would be 60 plays. So even though both teams have the same number of possessions and the same TOP, one team is playing defense for 30 more plays.

I know, I know...pretty hard to grasp actual math...
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Except EWU, SSU, MSU, and ISU are all ALREADY doing this so your opponent is running plays AT THE SAME RATE.

Math IS hard. Are you sure you didn't graduate from EWU?
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I give up, you are too stubborn to realize the rational behind your argument is flawed.
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Uh huh, sure...


the only flaw to my argument is IF you have TWO STUD D Tackles that can destroy an Ol's middle leading to 3 and outs. Nobody in our league has that so....
 
Also, it seems that you want to equate hurry-up with tempo...but not all tempo equates to hurry-up...another math analogy for you to chew on.

Hell, the Griz defense was on the field for over a 100 more plays than the offense last season...yet they were decent...
 
LongTimeCatFan said:
grizindabox said:
LongTimeCatFan said:
grizindabox"; said:
Longinthetoothcatfan, let me explain it this way. This is your post from before

"But when you play fast, you score fast and your opponents get just as many possessions as you do. As your increased rate of play results in more possessions for yourself, the same is true for your opponent."

Lets say both teams have the same number of possessions and each have 30 minutes TOP. The Griz hurry-up and run a play every 20 seconds...that would be 90 plays. The opponent runs a play every 30 seconds...that would be 60 plays. So even though both teams have the same number of possessions and the same TOP, one team is playing defense for 30 more plays.

I know, I know...pretty hard to grasp actual math...
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Except EWU, SSU, MSU, and ISU are all ALREADY doing this so your opponent is running plays AT THE SAME RATE.

Math IS hard. Are you sure you didn't graduate from EWU?
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I give up, you are too stubborn to realize the rational behind your argument is flawed.
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Uh huh, sure...


the only flaw to my argument is IF you have TWO STUD D Tackles that can destroy an Ol's middle leading to 3 and outs. Nobody in our league has that so....
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So now it is not even an argument about tempo or hurry-up offenses. The argument now the ability of a team to convert 3rd downs on offense and make stops on defense...
 
LOL
Just wait and see. Let's revisit this thread after game six shall we?

In fact, why don't you have your head knob slobber (PR) ask Stitt himself about the effects of his offense on the defense.
 
LTCF, hurry-up football is not like run-and-gun basketball. In basketball the tempo is based on possessions, in football the tempo is based on number of plays.
 
Stitt should just run one play per drive and score every time. I know it's trendy, but that kind of offense has been pretty effective for some teams.
 
LTCF: The other thing you're missing when you say "everyone else is running tempo" is that to Bob Stitt, tempo means T-E-M-P-O. He has run probably the fastest offense in the country for a few years now--faster than Oregon, faster than Baylor, and definitely faster than any Big Sky offense. His teams pride themselves on this--and Coach Stitt is particularly proud of how many plays per game his teams average because of this tempo, leading the country in plays per game.

Also, just because MSU's defense was gassed because your offense was going great guns doesn't mean UM's defense will be as gassed--MSU's defense just wasn't as good as UM's, period, so they had a harder time getting off the field. I'd put my money on UM's D being better able than MSU's to stop opponents' drives this year, as well.

And as everyone else has noted, Stitt's offense is not a big-strike, air-it-out long ball offense. He's shooting for short passes all the way down the field, with a few runs sprinkled in. He even noted in a presser earlier this year that CSM ran one drive last year that was 24 plays long.

Not that Ellis and Jamal can't burn defenses long, mind you.... ;)
 
LongTimeCatFan said:
grizindabox said:
LongTimeCatFan said:
AZGrizFan said:
SIMPLY. NOT. TRUE. Playing FAST <> scoring fast. This is simply a logical fallacy that has been disproven here many times.
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Really? Isn't that the point of tempo?
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TOP for CSM last season 31:44 to 28:16. So even with the hurry up Stitt offense, CSM had the ball more than the opponent. Also, as many possessions does not mean the same TOP or number of plays.
The season prior CSM had TOP of 32:53.
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I'm pretty sure MSU's TOP stats looked like that too, but the DL was gassed every game.

You'll see.
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your D-line was "gassed every game" because they could NEVER get off the field. EVER.
 
CrunchGriz said:
LTCF: The other thing you're missing when you say "everyone else is running tempo" is that to Bob Stitt, tempo means T-E-M-P-O. He has run probably the fastest offense in the country for a few years now--faster than Oregon, faster than Baylor, and definitely faster than any Big Sky offense. His teams pride themselves on this--and Coach Stitt is particularly proud of how many plays per game his teams average because of this tempo, leading the country in plays per game.

Also, just because MSU's defense was gassed because your offense was going great guns doesn't mean UM's defense will be as gassed--MSU's defense just wasn't as good as UM's, period, so they had a harder time getting off the field. I'd put my money on UM's D being better able than MSU's to stop opponents' drives this year, as well.

And as everyone else has noted, Stitt's offense is not a big-strike, air-it-out long ball offense. He's shooting for short passes all the way down the field, with a few runs sprinkled in. He even noted in a presser earlier this year that CSM ran one drive last year that was 24 plays long.

Not that Ellis and Jamal can't burn defenses long, mind you.... ;)
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He's not been running it against D1 talent.

But yeah, UM's D was better than MSU's.

The only team in conference that ran tempo and had a decent defense was Cal Poly, but even they were gassed in the 4th quarter.

:shrug:
 
LongTimeCatFan said:
CrunchGriz said:
LTCF: The other thing you're missing when you say "everyone else is running tempo" is that to Bob Stitt, tempo means T-E-M-P-O. He has run probably the fastest offense in the country for a few years now--faster than Oregon, faster than Baylor, and definitely faster than any Big Sky offense. His teams pride themselves on this--and Coach Stitt is particularly proud of how many plays per game his teams average because of this tempo, leading the country in plays per game.

Also, just because MSU's defense was gassed because your offense was going great guns doesn't mean UM's defense will be as gassed--MSU's defense just wasn't as good as UM's, period, so they had a harder time getting off the field. I'd put my money on UM's D being better able than MSU's to stop opponents' drives this year, as well.

And as everyone else has noted, Stitt's offense is not a big-strike, air-it-out long ball offense. He's shooting for short passes all the way down the field, with a few runs sprinkled in. He even noted in a presser earlier this year that CSM ran one drive last year that was 24 plays long.

Not that Ellis and Jamal can't burn defenses long, mind you.... ;)
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He's not been running it against D1 talent.

But yeah, UM's D was better than MSU's.

The only team in conference that ran tempo and had a decent defense was Cal Poly, but even they were gassed in the 4th quarter.

:shrug:
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And he wasn't running it with D-1 talent either. Yeesh.
 
I would be more interested in knowing what stitt plans on doing when the opponent takes away the passing game...
 
grizindabox said:
LTCF, hurry-up football is not like run-and-gun basketball. In basketball the tempo is based on possessions, in football the tempo is based on number of plays.
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Htowngriz said:
LongTimeCatFan said:
CrunchGriz said:
LTCF: The other thing you're missing when you say "everyone else is running tempo" is that to Bob Stitt, tempo means T-E-M-P-O. He has run probably the fastest offense in the country for a few years now--faster than Oregon, faster than Baylor, and definitely faster than any Big Sky offense. His teams pride themselves on this--and Coach Stitt is particularly proud of how many plays per game his teams average because of this tempo, leading the country in plays per game.

Also, just because MSU's defense was gassed because your offense was going great guns doesn't mean UM's defense will be as gassed--MSU's defense just wasn't as good as UM's, period, so they had a harder time getting off the field. I'd put my money on UM's D being better able than MSU's to stop opponents' drives this year, as well.

And as everyone else has noted, Stitt's offense is not a big-strike, air-it-out long ball offense. He's shooting for short passes all the way down the field, with a few runs sprinkled in. He even noted in a presser earlier this year that CSM ran one drive last year that was 24 plays long.

Not that Ellis and Jamal can't burn defenses long, mind you.... ;)
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He's not been running it against D1 talent.

But yeah, UM's D was better than MSU's.

The only team in conference that ran tempo and had a decent defense was Cal Poly, but even they were gassed in the 4th quarter.

:shrug:
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And he wasn't running it with D-1 talent either. Yeesh.
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There's a reason the best players on the team play defense in the NFL.

He's not running it against D1 talent yet.
 
So when your defense is gassed in the 3rd quarter vs NDSU, are you going to blame Ty for having a shitty defense or will you blame Stitt for not being effective or efficient on offense?


You guys have no idea what you're getting yourselves into.

Stitt knows, but I've yet to hear him talk about it
 
doc3kgt said:
I would be more interested in knowing what stitt plans on doing when the opponent takes away the passing game...
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Pass, pass, run, pass.

Can't stop it all.

Go GRIZ
 
LongTimeCatFan said:
So when your defense is gassed in the 3rd quarter vs NDSU, are you going to blame Ty for having a shitty defense or will you blame Stitt for not being effective or efficient on offense?


You guys have no idea what you're getting yourselves into.

Stitt knows, but I've yet to hear him talk about it
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"don't covet your neighbors"
 
LongTimeCatFan said:
So when your defense is gassed in the 3rd quarter vs NDSU, are you going to blame Ty for having a shitty defense or will you blame Stitt for not being effective or efficient on offense?


You guys have no idea what you're getting yourselves into.

Stitt knows, but I've yet to hear him talk about it
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Umm, every defense NDSU has played in the last four years (in which they've only lost 3 games) has been gassed by the 3rd or 4th quarter, regardless of what offense their team runs.

Feel free to stop digging any time.
 
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